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** Cyrus, he's a NervousWreck and shows signs of depression. He constantly says self-deprecating things and clearly has low self-esteem. The problem is that most of the time, his friends don’t do much to dissuade this self-deprecation, often actually reinforcing it. They love him but call him helpless and can be quite callous with him. Andi doesn't even consider Cyrus' feelings as she pursues Jonah (she kisses Jonah in front of him!). When Cyrus claims to not be important when Buffy and Andi are distracted by Jonah, they don't even disagree.

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** Cyrus, he's a NervousWreck and shows signs of depression. He constantly says self-deprecating things and clearly has low self-esteem. The problem is that most of the time, his friends don’t do much to dissuade this self-deprecation, often actually reinforcing it. They love him but call him helpless and can be quite callous with him. Andi [[LackOfEmpathy doesn't even consider consider]] Cyrus' feelings as she pursues Jonah (she kisses Jonah in front of him!). When Cyrus claims to not be important when Buffy and Andi are distracted by Jonah, they don't even disagree.
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*** Andi and Walker would be pansexual.

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*** Andi (''Pan''di) and Walker would be pansexual. pansexual.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs: Andi's surrealist nightmare in The Boys are Back. Doubles as NightmareFuel and a BigLippedAlligatorMoment.
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Again, you're supposed to dislike this character.


* TheScrappy: After Kira’s initial appearance in “The New Girls”, some fans were expecting her to turn out to be nice, but nearly everyone turned against her after her implied homophobia in “Mount Rushmore or Less”. Some fans still held out hope for a redemption arc, but between her rudeness, controlling nature, and manipulations in “Unloading Zone” and “We Were Here”, Kira ended up being the only recurring teen antagonist to never be redeemed. (It’s possible her redemption arc was intentionally held off for a 4th Season).

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* TheScrappy:
** You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who enjoys watching Miranda or her daughter Morgan. Miranda is hated for refusing to discipline her child, [[{{Gaslighting}} accusing Andi of lying]] about the stolen prayer box, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking calling AndiShack a "sewing hut"]], while Morgan is hated for being a lying [[StickyFingers kleptomaniac]].
** Any sympathy fans might've had for her was wiped away when she returned. She told Bowie she changed, only to have Morgan pretend she [[MissingChild went missing]] in an effort to win Bowie back. It's very easy to see why her marriage failed.
** After Kira’s initial appearance in “The New Girls”, some fans were expecting her to turn out to be nice, but nearly everyone turned against her after her implied homophobia in “Mount Rushmore or Less”. Some fans still held out hope for a redemption arc, but between her rudeness, controlling nature, and manipulations in “Unloading Zone” and “We Were Here”, Kira ended up being the only recurring teen antagonist to never be redeemed. (It’s possible her redemption arc was intentionally held off for a 4th Season).

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* TheScrappy:
** You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who enjoys watching Miranda or her daughter Morgan. Miranda is hated for refusing to discipline her child, [[{{Gaslighting}} accusing Andi of lying]] about the stolen prayer box, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking calling AndiShack a "sewing hut"]], while Morgan is hated for being a lying [[StickyFingers kleptomaniac]].
** Any sympathy fans might've had for her was wiped away when she returned. She told Bowie she changed, only to have Morgan pretend she [[MissingChild went missing]] in an effort to win Bowie back. It's very easy to see why her marriage failed.
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TheScrappy: After Kira’s initial appearance in “The New Girls”, some fans were expecting her to turn out to be nice, but nearly everyone turned against her after her implied homophobia in “Mount Rushmore or Less”. Some fans still held out hope for a redemption arc, but between her rudeness, controlling nature, and manipulations in “Unloading Zone” and “We Were Here”, Kira ended up being the only recurring teen antagonist to never be redeemed. (It’s possible her redemption arc was intentionally held off for a 4th Season).
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* NarmCharm: The scene in the finale where [[spoiler: TJ reveals his full name to Cyrus, which leads into them holding hands. It's an otherwise relatively serious scene turned humourous by the fact that TJ's name turns out to be ''Thelonious Jagger'', made even sillier if you notice that 'Thelonious' is also, of all things, a subtle ''{{Westernanimation/Shrek}} reference''... but the whole scene is just too sweet to actually laugh at. Plus, the name being so goofy makes Cyrus loving it that much more heartwarming.]]

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* NarmCharm: The scene in the finale where [[spoiler: TJ reveals his full name to Cyrus, which leads into them holding hands. It's an otherwise relatively serious scene turned humourous by the fact that TJ's name turns out to be ''Thelonious Jagger'', made even sillier if you notice that 'Thelonious' is also, of all things, a subtle ''{{Westernanimation/Shrek}} ''WesternAnimation/Shrek1 reference''... but the whole scene is just too sweet to actually laugh at. Plus, the name being so goofy makes Cyrus loving it that much more heartwarming.]]
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*** Golden Retriever [[note]]Jonah has been compared to golden retrievers for his in-universe HundredPercentAdorationRating, constant optimism, and affinity for frisbee.[[/note]]

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*** Golden Retriever [[note]]Jonah has been compared to golden retrievers for his in-universe HundredPercentAdorationRating, LovedByAll status, constant optimism, and affinity for frisbee.[[/note]]
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** TJ and Cyrus only getting to hold hands while the show's major straight couple kissed in the series finale naturally got a lot of people upset, with many suspecting ExecutiveMeddling similar to the infamous final scene of ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'', despite all the strides in gay representation that have been seen since then. WordOfGod replied that they didn’t feel the characters were at that place yet, since at their age simply holding hands can feel like as huge a step as kissing, and they didn't want to do it just so they could say they’d done it. They also have confidence that more shows will follow through the door they opened, and are perfectly comfortable letting one of them have the honor of featuring the Disney Channel's first gay kiss.

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** TJ and Cyrus only getting to hold hands while the show's major straight couple kissed in the series finale naturally got a lot of people upset, with many suspecting ExecutiveMeddling similar to the infamous final scene of ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'', despite all the strides in gay representation that have been seen since then. WordOfGod replied that they didn’t feel the characters were at that place yet, since at their age simply holding hands can feel like as huge a step as kissing, and they didn't want to do it just so they could say they’d done it. They also have confidence that more shows will follow through the door they opened, and are perfectly comfortable letting one of them have the honor of featuring the Disney Channel's first gay kiss.
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** Andi and TJ for Jonah/Cyrus fans. Both of their BaseBreakingCharacter statuses take this UpToEleven, with some Andi detractors going as far to characterize her as homophobic in fan works [[spoiler:despite her acceptance and support of Cyrus when he came out to her]].

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** Andi and TJ for Jonah/Cyrus fans. Both of their BaseBreakingCharacter statuses take this UpToEleven, even further, with some Andi detractors going as far to characterize her as homophobic in fan works [[spoiler:despite her acceptance and support of Cyrus when he came out to her]].



* NarmCharm: The scene in the finale where [[spoiler: TJ reveals his full name to Cyrus, which leads into them holding hands. It's an otherwise relatively serious scene turned humourous by the fact that TJ's name turns out to be ''Thelonious Jagger'', [[UpToEleven made even sillier]] if you notice that 'Thelonious' is also, of all things, a subtle ''{{Westernanimation/Shrek}} reference''... but the whole scene is just too sweet to actually laugh at. Plus, the name being so goofy makes Cyrus loving it that much more heartwarming.]]

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* NarmCharm: The scene in the finale where [[spoiler: TJ reveals his full name to Cyrus, which leads into them holding hands. It's an otherwise relatively serious scene turned humourous by the fact that TJ's name turns out to be ''Thelonious Jagger'', [[UpToEleven made even sillier]] sillier if you notice that 'Thelonious' is also, of all things, a subtle ''{{Westernanimation/Shrek}} reference''... but the whole scene is just too sweet to actually laugh at. Plus, the name being so goofy makes Cyrus loving it that much more heartwarming.]]
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** For some, Andi's self portrait in "One Girl's Trash" falls right into the UncannyValley.

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** For some, Andi's self portrait in "One Girl's Trash" falls right into the UncannyValley.looks really creepy.

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* BrokenBase: Late Season 2, which introduced several new characters and story arcs. Their reception was initially positive, but introducing and establishing them all with only half a season left led to some pacing issues and unresolved conflict.

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* BrokenBase: Late Season 2, which Disney ordered more episodes of at the last minute. It introduced several new characters and story arcs. Their reception was initially positive, but introducing and establishing them all with only half a season left led to some pacing issues and unresolved conflict.



** [[spoiler: [[TheUntwist Most people already knew that Buffy would return after moving away]].]]
** TJ and Cyrus only getting to hold hands at the same time the show's major straight couple was kissing in the series finale naturally got a lot of people upset, with many suspecting ExecutiveMeddling similar to the infamous final scene of ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'', despite all the strides in homosexual representation that have been seen since then. WordOfGod replied that they didn’t feel the characters were at that place yet, since at their age simply holding hands can feel like as huge a step as kissing, and they didn’t want to do it just so they could say they’d done it. They also have confidence that more shows will follow through the door they opened, and are perfectly comfortable letting one of them have the honor of featuring the Disney Channel’s first gay kiss.

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** [[spoiler: [[TheUntwist Most people already knew that Buffy would return after moving away]].]]
away]], although she would have come back at the beginning of season 3 without the additional episodes]].
** TJ and Cyrus only getting to hold hands at the same time while the show's major straight couple was kissing kissed in the series finale naturally got a lot of people upset, with many suspecting ExecutiveMeddling similar to the infamous final scene of ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'', despite all the strides in homosexual gay representation that have been seen since then. WordOfGod replied that they didn’t feel the characters were at that place yet, since at their age simply holding hands can feel like as huge a step as kissing, and they didn’t didn't want to do it just so they could say they’d done it. They also have confidence that more shows will follow through the door they opened, and are perfectly comfortable letting one of them have the honor of featuring the Disney Channel’s Channel's first gay kiss.



*** Some of the (now former) fans involved in this counter movement have since admitted that they were trying to cope and move on quickly to bury their sadness over the show ending at the time.



** TJ/Marty is somewhat popular, although TJ has ''zero'' idea who Marty is.

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** TJ/Marty is somewhat popular, although TJ has ''zero'' idea who Marty is.is, to the point where it's PlayedForLaughs in-universe.



** Cyrus, he's a NervousWreck and shows signs of depression. He constantly says self-deprecating things and clearly has low self-esteem. The problem is that most of the time, his friends don’t do much to dissuade this self-deprecation, often actually reinforcing it. They love him but call him helpless and can be quite callous with him. Andi doesn't even consider Cyrus' feelings as she pursues Jonah (she kisses Jonah in front of him!). When Cyrus claims to not be important when Buffy and Andi are distracted by Jonah, they don't even disagree. This is at least part of the reason TJ/Cyrus is so loved - TJ has always believed in Cyrus wholeheartedly, encouraging him and constantly letting him know he’s important. He even says to stop telling Cyrus what he can't do, and instead of letting Cyrus wallow in helplessness, TJ pushes him to overcome his obstacles. Cyrus also gets [[spoiler:his heart broken by both his crushes and loses his grandmother. He’s also initially afraid of his feelings for a boy.]]

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** Cyrus, he's a NervousWreck and shows signs of depression. He constantly says self-deprecating things and clearly has low self-esteem. The problem is that most of the time, his friends don’t do much to dissuade this self-deprecation, often actually reinforcing it. They love him but call him helpless and can be quite callous with him. Andi doesn't even consider Cyrus' feelings as she pursues Jonah (she kisses Jonah in front of him!). When Cyrus claims to not be important when Buffy and Andi are distracted by Jonah, they don't even disagree. disagree.
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This is at least part of the reason TJ/Cyrus is so loved - TJ has always believed in Cyrus wholeheartedly, encouraging him and constantly letting him know he’s important. He even says to stop telling Cyrus what he can't do, and instead of letting Cyrus wallow in helplessness, TJ pushes him to overcome his obstacles. obstacles.
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Cyrus also gets [[spoiler:his heart broken by both his crushes (even if he was not aware of TJ being blackmailed) and loses his grandmother. He’s also initially afraid of his feelings for a boy.]]



** TJ has become one in Season 3; it helps that he’s a much sweeter and better person now than he used to be. TJ already has insecurities and self-destructive tendencies, but in a short span, [[spoiler:he loses his friends, is blamed for things that aren’t his fault, is a victim of homophobic blackmail, alienates himself from Cyrus, and finds himself under Kira's manipulative and controlling thumb. It's become a joke in the fandom that the writers just won't let TJ be happy.]]

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** TJ has become one in Season 3; it helps that he’s he's a much sweeter and better person now than he used to be. be and thus, easier to sympathise with. TJ already has had insecurities and self-destructive tendencies, but in a short span, [[spoiler:he loses his friends, is blamed for things that aren’t aren't his fault, is a victim of homophobic blackmail, alienates himself from Cyrus, and finds himself under Kira's manipulative and controlling thumb. It's become a joke in the fandom that the writers just won't let TJ be happy.]]]]

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** Any sympathy fans might've had for her was wiped away when she returned. She told Bowie she changed, only to have Morgan pretend she [[AdultFear went missing]] in an effort to win Bowie back. It's very easy to see why her marriage failed.

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** Any sympathy fans might've had for her was wiped away when she returned. She told Bowie she changed, only to have Morgan pretend she [[AdultFear [[MissingChild went missing]] in an effort to win Bowie back. It's very easy to see why her marriage failed.
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* FriendlyFandoms: With the music artist Cavetown, of all things - since the song 'Lemon Boy' became a meme in the fandom (detailed below), and with Cyrus's actor, Joshua Rush, [[{{JustForFun/OneOfUs}} also being a Cavetown fan]], you'd be hard pressed to find a long-time Andi Mack fan who doesn't hold some level of affection for his music - especially among the TJ/Cyrus fans.

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* FriendlyFandoms: With the music artist Cavetown, Music/{{Cavetown}}, of all things - since the song 'Lemon Boy' became a meme in the fandom (detailed below), and with Cyrus's actor, Joshua Rush, [[{{JustForFun/OneOfUs}} also being a Cavetown fan]], you'd be hard pressed to find a long-time Andi Mack fan who doesn't hold some level of affection for his music - especially among the TJ/Cyrus fans.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: Besides the fact that the show's premiere is about the effects of a past TeenPregnancy affecting a family's life, the show also shows more mature themes then one would normally except from Disney Channel, such as strained family relationships, LGBT themes, toxic/abusive relationships, learning disabilities, anxiety, panic attacks, having a parent in the military, guns, and possibly even mental illness. Yet it still manages to keep a "G" rating despite that.

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: Besides the fact that the show's premiere is about the effects of a past TeenPregnancy affecting a family's life, the show also shows more mature themes then one would normally except expect from Disney Channel, such as strained family relationships, LGBT themes, toxic/abusive relationships, learning disabilities, anxiety, panic attacks, having a parent in the military, guns, and possibly even mental illness. Yet it still manages to keep a "G" rating despite that.
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* WinTheCrowd: The lack of a LaughTrack, DarkerAndEdgier themes, and a diverse cast has won over many fans. Being made by Terri Minsky, the creator of ''Series/LizzieMcGuire'', helps as well.
** Ratings and social media interest show that there is quite a large group of people tuning into ''Andi Mack'' who wouldn’t otherwise watch Disney Channel.
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* OneTrueThreesome: Buffy/TJ/Cyrus haves a sizeable fandom mainly because Buffy and Cyrus are best friends and TJ having UST with Cyrus and a kind of BST with Buffy as the three relationship derived of this trio (Buffy/Cyrud, TJ/Cyrus, Buffy/TJ) are popular. They often stated as saving the modern Disney Channel by fans.

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* OneTrueThreesome: Buffy/TJ/Cyrus haves a sizeable fandom mainly because Buffy and Cyrus are best friends and TJ having UST with Cyrus and a kind of BST with Buffy as the three relationship derived of this trio (Buffy/Cyrud, (Buffy/Cyrus, TJ/Cyrus, Buffy/TJ) are popular. They often stated as saving the modern Disney Channel by fans.
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* It Was His Sled: Bex being revealed as Andi's mother instead of her older sister is ''the'' only thing most people know about the show, followed by [[spoiler: Cyrus being gay]].

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* It Was His Sled: ItWasHisSled: Bex being revealed as Andi's mother instead of her older sister is ''the'' only thing most people know about the show, followed by [[spoiler: Cyrus being gay]].
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* [[ItWasHisSled It Was His Sled]]/[[AllThereIsToKnowAboutTheCryingGame All There Is To Know About The Crying Game]]: Bex being revealed as Andi's mother instead of her older sister is ''the'' only thing most people know about the show, followed by [[spoiler: Cyrus being gay]].

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* [[ItWasHisSled It Was His Sled]]/[[AllThereIsToKnowAboutTheCryingGame All There Is To Know About The Crying Game]]: Sled: Bex being revealed as Andi's mother instead of her older sister is ''the'' only thing most people know about the show, followed by [[spoiler: Cyrus being gay]].

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Jonah never told Andi about his panic attacks ''onscreen'' which felt like a loose end that deserved to be tied up since that's the reason the two got back together in Season 2 and Andi chose him over Walker.
** There was a text conversation where he tells her, but many felt this wasn't satisfying as not everyone is even aware of Andi's Texts.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
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Jonah never told Andi about his panic attacks ''onscreen'' which felt like a loose end that deserved to be tied up since that's the reason the two got back together in Season 2 and Andi chose him over Walker.
** *** There was a text conversation where he tells her, but many felt this wasn't satisfying as not everyone is even aware of Andi's Texts.Texts.
** Bex's toxic ex Gabe was meant to make an appearance in season 2, but his scenes were cut and the plot of her needing to work through those issues before being able to marry Bowie was dropped. It is assumed Disney found it too dark or mature, but some felt it was a missed opportunity to give Bex (and the other adults) the depth and more interesting plot lines they initially had and seemingly lacked in the latter half of the show.
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*** Around the end of the shows run, Jonah being aromantic became a popular headcanon.
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*** And to a lesser extent, Cece would have been stated to have ExperimentedInCollenge or something similar.

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*** And to a lesser extent, Cece would have been stated to have ExperimentedInCollenge ExperimentedInCollege or something similar.



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* FanPrferredCouple: FanPreferredCouple:
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** Practically all the characters are headcanoned by the fans to be LGBT in some way or form. The fact that [[spoiler: both Cyrus and TJ are canonically gay]] fuels it even more. To elaborate:
*** Andi and Walker would be pansexual.
*** Amber is a lesbian (like stated above) and is possibly suffering from compulsory heterosexuality.
*** Bex, Bowie, Jonah, and Buffy are all bisexual, with Bowie being non-binary sometimes.
*** Marty is usually depicted as a trans boy.
*** Iris would be a lesbian.
*** And to a lesser extent, Cece would have been stated to have ExperimentedInCollenge or something similar.
*** Among a few other headcanons, these are the most common ones that appear in various fanfics.
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** You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who enjoys watching Miranda or her daughter Morgan. Miranda is hated for refusing to discipline her child, [[{{Gaslighting}} accusing Andi of lying]] about the stolen prayer box, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking calling AndiShack a "sewing hut"]], while Morgan is hated for being a lying [[TheKleptomaniac Kleptomaniac]].

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** You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who enjoys watching Miranda or her daughter Morgan. Miranda is hated for refusing to discipline her child, [[{{Gaslighting}} accusing Andi of lying]] about the stolen prayer box, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking calling AndiShack a "sewing hut"]], while Morgan is hated for being a lying [[TheKleptomaniac Kleptomaniac]].[[StickyFingers kleptomaniac]].
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* SignatureScene: Quite a few actually:

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* SignatureScene: Quite a few few, actually:



** To a lesser extent, [[spoiler: Jonah's]] panic attack at Cyrus's bar mitzvah is quite memorable. Most likely because not only did a character who's naturally calm and collected is shown breaking down for once, but also because this is pretty much the first time the Disney Channel actually depicted a character with a possible canon anxiety disorder in one of their shows. Especially one that's considered a KidCom.

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** To a lesser extent, [[spoiler: Jonah's]] panic attack at Cyrus's bar mitzvah is quite memorable. Most likely because not only did a character who's naturally calm and collected is shown breaking down for once, but also because this is pretty much the first time the Disney Channel actually depicted a character with a possible canon anxiety disorder in one of their shows. Especially with one that's considered a KidCom.
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* SignatureScene: Quite a few actually:
** Bex revealing to Andi she's her mother, not her sister. And from the first episode, no less! [[FirstEpisodeTwist Then again...]]
** [[spoiler: Cyrus's first coming out scene, in which he reveals to Buffy that he has a crush on Jonah.]]
** Likewise, [[spoiler: Cyrus's third (and final) coming out scene, where he outright tells Jonah he's gay]] pretty much blew up online when it first aired.
** To a lesser extent, [[spoiler: Jonah's]] panic attack at Cyrus's bar mitzvah is quite memorable. Most likely because not only did a character who's naturally calm and collected is shown breaking down for once, but also because this is pretty much the first time the Disney Channel actually depicted a character with a possible canon anxiety disorder in one of their shows. Especially one that's considered a KidCom.

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*** Basically, she dreams of her
birth parents finally getting married. But then, she sees Jonah's smiling face plastered onto ''all the wedding guests' faces. Even on Bex and Bowie's faces!'' Jonah's face on the former is especially '''disturbing!'''

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*** Basically, she dreams of her
her birth parents finally getting married. But then, she sees Jonah's smiling face plastered onto ''all the wedding guests' faces. Even on Bex and Bowie's faces!'' Jonah's face on the former is especially '''disturbing!'''
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*** Basically, she dreams of her
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Jonah never told Andi about his panic attacks which felt like a loose end that deserved to be tied up since that's the reason the two got back together in Season 2 and Andi chose him over Walker

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Jonah never told Andi about his panic attacks ''onscreen'' which felt like a loose end that deserved to be tied up since that's the reason the two got back together in Season 2 and Andi chose him over WalkerWalker.
** There was a text conversation where he tells her, but many felt this wasn't satisfying as not everyone is even aware of Andi's Texts.
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* AbandonShipping: Jonah/Cyrus had a larger following at the show's debut, since there were fewer recurring characters and [[spoiler: because of Cyrus' [[TransparentCloset behavior around]] [[ClosetKey Jonah]].]] As the show progressed, Jonah's RelationshipRevolvingDoor with [[spoiler:Andi and Amber]] and TJ/Cyrus [[FanPreferredCouple becoming more popular]] resulted in fans losing interest.

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* AbandonShipping: Jonah/Cyrus had a larger following at the show's debut, since there were fewer recurring characters and [[spoiler: because of Cyrus' [[TransparentCloset behavior around]] [[ClosetKey around Jonah]].]] As the show progressed, Jonah's RelationshipRevolvingDoor with [[spoiler:Andi and Amber]] and TJ/Cyrus [[FanPreferredCouple becoming more popular]] resulted in fans losing interest.



*** His subplot in "Cookie Monster" and "The New Girls" can be seen as a final step in his HeelFaceTurn, or proof that he's a [[ToxicFriendInfluence bad influence]] [[JerkWithAHeartOfJerk and hasn't changed]]. The fact that he's EasilyForgiven is also divisive.

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*** His subplot in "Cookie Monster" and "The New Girls" can be seen as a final step in his HeelFaceTurn, or proof that he's a [[ToxicFriendInfluence bad influence]] and [[JerkWithAHeartOfJerk and hasn't changed]]. The fact that he's EasilyForgiven is also divisive.



** [[spoiler: [[TheUntwist Most people already knew that]] [[LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt Buffy would return after moving away]].]]

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** [[spoiler: [[TheUntwist Most people already knew that]] [[LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt that Buffy would return after moving away]].]]



** '''Kira'''. Most TJ/Cyrus fans lost respect for her after "Mount Rushmore or Less" and "Unloading Zone", where she [[TroubleEntendre was strongly implied to be manipulating TJ into]] [[HeteronormativeCrusader spending time with her instead of Cyrus]]. It didn't take long for [[RevengeFic Revenge Fics]] and jokes about characters getting ExtremeMeleeRevenge to pop up, and [[ButIPlayOneOnTV some fans even issued reminders to leave her]] [[MeanCharacterNiceActor actress]] [[ButIPlayOneOnTV alone]]. She's gotten far more hate than any other character on the show, and some fans even consider her irredeemable.

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** '''Kira'''. Most TJ/Cyrus fans lost respect for her after "Mount Rushmore or Less" and "Unloading Zone", where she [[TroubleEntendre was strongly implied to be manipulating TJ into]] TJ]] into [[HeteronormativeCrusader spending time with her instead of Cyrus]]. It didn't take long for [[RevengeFic Revenge Fics]] and jokes about characters getting ExtremeMeleeRevenge to pop up, and [[ButIPlayOneOnTV some fans even issued reminders to leave her]] [[MeanCharacterNiceActor actress]] [[ButIPlayOneOnTV her actress alone]]. She's gotten far more hate than any other character on the show, and some fans even consider her irredeemable.



** Reed, despite being a OneShotCharacter, grew a sizable fanbase due to his [[MemeticMutation infamously]] [[GRatedStoner spacey attitude]] and general odd persona. A sneak peek from a season 3 trailer led to speculation that he would [[HoYay flirt with Cyrus in some way]] and make TJ jealous, gaining him some popularity before he showed up onscreen. Lester received this treatment on a smaller scale, mostly from fans trying to identify his [[UncreditedRole Uncredited Actor]].

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** Reed, despite being a OneShotCharacter, grew a sizable fanbase due to his [[MemeticMutation infamously]] [[GRatedStoner infamously spacey attitude]] and general odd persona. A sneak peek from a season 3 trailer led to speculation that he would [[HoYay flirt with Cyrus in some way]] and make TJ jealous, gaining him some popularity before he showed up onscreen. Lester received this treatment on a smaller scale, mostly from fans trying to identify his [[UncreditedRole Uncredited Actor]].

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