History WMG / UminekoWhenTheyCryOpenTwo

*** I'm not saying everything shown in a fantasy scence has to be achievable by mundane means, just that the end result has to be. For example, in order for the George vs Gaap Battle, and the Jessica versus Ronove Battles to happen. The culprit must have some mundane way to acheive the following, 1) having George appear in the arbor with a gunshot-like wound to the head, 2) have Jessica make the call to Battler, and 3) have Jessica appear in her room with her head half destroyed. There doesn't have to be, for example, a mundane way to make George and Jessica kill eachother. Also, note that this theory actually makes the culprit weaker then a pure Anti-Fantasy perspective as he/she/they could mistakenly target someone who has one of Maria's charms using magic. Or are you saying that there is something that definitly happened (i.e. either confirmed in red or witnessed by piece!Battler) that can't be explained via mundane means.

It's either a game of Mastermind or Battleship.
* Or possibly a messed up Clue game.

[[color:red:One of the recurring theories as to how the first twilight of any arc could be possible is via a drug. However, Knox's 4th states on this matter that it can't be an unknown poison (in other words, drug).]] [[color:blue:Therefore, we must get more specific.]] [[color:red:There are already plenty of drugs that can make people have weird hallucinations,]] [[color:blue:but we don't even need to go that far. Just one that makes someone more suggestible - in other words, a depressant in the right dosage.]] Honestly, I would look at something like Ketamine - one of the "date rape drugs" - since [[color:red:it has both depressant and hallucinogenic qualities.]] In fact, as further evidence, I submit to you a section of Wiki/ThatOtherWiki on Ketamine - my own speculations in red & blue:

*** [[color:blue:Wrong. While Gold Truth may be usable only by the Game Master, statements of fact about rules and premises may be made in red and counted as accurate, at least FromACertainPointOfView.]] (For example, I can say [[color:red:"All red text is true from some perspective"]] or list the victory conditions in red, and it is inarguably true despite being a rule) [[color:blue:Furthermore, simple membership in Knox's Decalogue does not grant a rule special status as far as applying or not applying unless otherwise stated.]] For instance, I can say [[color:red:"There were no Chinamen in Higurashi, therefore it obeys Knox 5"]] despite Higurashi explicitly breaking other Knox rules.

*** [[color:blue:Requiring that I prove that the game was deliberately and intentionally constructed around the Decalogue would qualify as a Devil's Proof, as I cannot know the mindset of its creator at the time of its creation. I can, however, say that ]] [[color:red: because anything in red is true,]] [[color:blue:any rule of the Decalogue spoken in red applies to the story-- even if just coincidentally (Knox's 5th can easily apply to stories not meant to follow the Decalogue) and only FromACertainPointOfView (Knox's 2nd can only apply to an Anti-Fantasy stance)-- unless it is qualified with "If this story obeys the Decalogue" or the like. This is true even if the story is not a Mystery, as even stories without Mystery elements can have culprits and detectives, or as they are more frequently termed in such stories, killers and heroes.]]

*** [[Series/ReadingRainbow This WMG is becoming]]... '''[[IncrediblyLamePun A READING RAINBOW]]!'''
*** [[color:green:Series/ReadingRainbow was a show the enocouraged children to read.]]

** [[color:red:In the second game we saw Jessica cosplaying as [[VideoGame/{{Touhou}} Marisa Kirisame]] Furthermore, VideoGame/{{Touhou}} was released in 1996 and thus Jessica couldn't have gotten the design from Touhou.]]Therefore, [[color:blue: she must have gotten the design from the actual Marisa, and if Jessica can convincingly cosplay as Marisa the reverse is also true. Therefore, the "Jessica" that was with the other cousins that night is actually Marisa disguised as Jessica and the real Jessica was in Natsuhi's bed. Given Jessica's age and the fact Natsuhi goes so far as to act like she beleives everyone when they tell her Jessica is dead. We can conclude that [[ParentalIncest Natsuhi and Jessica had sex.]] Furthermore, the majority of episode 5 was Natsuhi trolling Erika.]]
*** [[color:red:The timeline of ''Franchise/WhenTheyCry'' does not match ours in terms of when media is released (see Higurashi)]]. [[color:blue:''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'' was, in the ''Franchise/WhenTheyCry'' timeline, released in the early 1980s or before.]]

Typhoon Carmen was first detected on 9/27 near Majuro, a full week before the 86' family conference; possibly accounting for [[spoiler: the message-bottle planning around the typhoon]]. Carmen hit its peak strength of 115mph winds (a category 3 hurricane) late on 10/5 roughly 1,000 miles south of the Izu Islands where the fictional Rokkenjima would be located. This places Carmen at too great a distance to subject Rokkenjima to outright hurricane conditions but close enough to account for those presented in the story. As an example, 2008's Hurricane Bertha (a storm of almost exactly the same wind strength) caused multiple fatalities on the New Jersey shoreline by way of rip current while still 1,000 miles away. The historical Carmen does appear to have outlasted the storm in the story however, [[spoiler: unless the calm weather conditions presented during Battler's escape from the island are intended to be a "fantasy" interpretation and the stormy conditions in which Ikuko later scrapes him up off of the ground are meant to be part of the same storm]]. An even more detailed tracker of Carmen's path can be found [[https://coast.noaa.gov/hurricanes/#map=3.18/29.81/158.35&search=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 here]]

Rather it's the same school rebuilt in another location as It's been theorized in Gou that [[spoiler: Satoko burns down the school in Satokowashi-Hen]] mainly because of the arc's name translating to "Village Destroying'' arc. And the fact that the 2nd album of Gou has a fire behind [[spoiler: Satoko]] with an evil grin on her face.

** Additionally, Pendragon-sama is implied to be KingArthur. What [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight other series]] do we know that has a lot of magic and a female King Arthur...?

[[spoiler: The necessary shenanigans for everyone else on Rokkenjima to not notice are...worrying, at best the alternative is involving all the people who normally live on Rokkenjima going along with this and not raising questions. Anything showing otherwise can just be excused as 'Beatrice did it with the gameboard because she could just do that', with the single exception of the one incident of 'Yoshiya' existing when Jessica introduced him, which could be Shkanon faking it.]]

** [[LesYay Lambdadelta.]] [[AWizardDidIt They are witches,]] [[HomosexualReproduction therefore it is entirely possible]] and [[YouFailBiologyForever regular rules of biology need not apply.]]

Think about it; Evangelion deconstructed the mecha anime upon which it was based, while Umineko clearly deconstructs most of the tropes present in Higurashi. They both include YouSuck and YouBastard moments along with serious {{mindscrew}} and meta segments. Also, you really can't deny that some CreatorBreakdown is going on, what with BT's death and all.

This is generally hinted at throughout ''Umineko'', but I'd like to enumerate it. We know from ''Higurashi'' that "Frederica is not Furude Rika", but we also know that Bernkastel is probably an agglutination of all of those dead Rikas throughout ''Higurashi''. [[spoiler:Featherine Augusta Aurora is somehow related to Hanyuu, but not Hanyuu herself.]] The theory is that Bernkastel and Featherine are extremely powerful possible versions of Rika and Hanyuu and that, like an opportunistic infection, they forcibly write themselves into kakera after kakera (possibly overwriting the personalities of the existing Rika and Hanyuu). Either the ''Higurashi'' universe is one of the kakera that escaped this treatment or [[PoisonOakEpilepticTrees the Rika and Hanyuu we all know and love are the ones who went evil in the first place]].

[[WMG: [[spoiler: Kanon was never acknowledged by others as existing in the true world.]]]]
[[spoiler: The necessary shenanigans for everyone else on Rokkenjima to not notice are...worrying, at best the alternative is involving all the people who normally live on Rokkenjima going along with this and not raising questions. Anything showing otherwise can just be excused as 'Beatrice did it with the gameboard because she could just do that'.]]

which is that tragedies like this should be put to rest. Instead, we’re just creating more goat-butlers for Battler and friends to have to fight off.

Beatrice and Saul Yasuda are built up as the culprits, but are [[DiscOneFinalBoss ultimately shoved aside]] in favor of them. Kyrie and Bern are both [[TheStoic stoic]], and Lambda and Rudolf are silly and goofy, but Ange initially trusts them. Even in [=EP7=], when their [[BigBadDuumvirate true nature]] is revealed, [[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter she refuses to believe they’re bad people]]. It’s only in [=EP8=] when she realizes the truth. This also explains how Erika can be Bern and Lambda’s daughter; she’s implied to be Ange’s EnemyWithout. Cat!Bern is Bern’s mundane representation, but there’s nothing that says she’s the only one.

Also worth noting that in a fragment where Battler doesn't show up for the family conference of 1986, Will just so happens to show up. However, when Battler does end up going to the family conference, Will is never seen. The only time the two are seen together is in the Meta World sequences.

** [[SugarWiki/CrowningMomentOfAwesome That was fucking awesome.]] [[SugarWiki/CrowningMomentOfFunny I laughed my ass off.]]

*** [[color:green:ReadingRainbow was a show the enocouraged children to read.]]

*** [[ReadingRainbow This WMG is becoming]]... '''[[IncrediblyLamePun A READING RAINBOW]]!'''

[[WMG: A Voyager who's soul grows faint does not die. Rather, it's The BellyOfTheWhale.]]

* [[{{Lolicon}} No.]] Just...[[{{Squick}} no.]]