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renamed to Clone Angst


You have most likely noticed just now that Cecile's initials would also be "C.C.". This may be a hint that Cecile is related in a way, possibly as a [[CloningBlues clone]], but without any of C.C.'s abilities so they put her in the Knightmare development department.

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You have most likely noticed just now that Cecile's initials would also be "C.C.". This may be a hint that Cecile is related in a way, possibly as a [[CloningBlues clone]], clone, but without any of C.C.'s abilities so they put her in the Knightmare development department.



* Lelouch DID have the code, until he showed Nunnally that he really wasn't a bad guy so he could die in peace. He then gives his code to Suzaku. After Lelouch's death Suzaku uses his position as Zero to take control of a newly unified Humanity and brings about an age of technology. With Battle Sister Kallen, Inquisitor Jerimiah and Tech Priest Lloyd, he creates a vast Empire. He also uses his own genetic material for his Space Marines, unfortunalty because of the CloningBlues they aren't able to run up walls or do triple spin kicks.

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* Lelouch DID have the code, until he showed Nunnally that he really wasn't a bad guy so he could die in peace. He then gives his code to Suzaku. After Lelouch's death Suzaku uses his position as Zero to take control of a newly unified Humanity and brings about an age of technology. With Battle Sister Kallen, Inquisitor Jerimiah and Tech Priest Lloyd, he creates a vast Empire. He also uses his own genetic material for his Space Marines, unfortunalty unfortunately because of the CloningBlues cloning issues they aren't able to run up walls or do triple spin kicks.



** No way. [[DarkMessiah Lelouch]] is ''obviously'' Kaworu "[[MessianicArchetype He Died For Your Sins]]" Nagisa, [[SoulJar Anya Alstreim]] is '''clearly''' [[EmotionlessGirl R]][[CloningBlues ei]], and Shinji himself has been split into Suzaku Kururugi and Rolo Lamperouge. Marianne would fit with your theory as Yui Ikari, Milly would be Misato Katsuragi, and Cecile would be Maya Ibuki. C.C. is much harder to place, [[EpilepticTrees maybe EVA-01]] or Lilith?

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** No way. [[DarkMessiah Lelouch]] is ''obviously'' Kaworu "[[MessianicArchetype He Died For Your Sins]]" Nagisa, [[SoulJar Anya Alstreim]] is '''clearly''' [[EmotionlessGirl R]][[CloningBlues ei]], Rei]], and Shinji himself has been split into Suzaku Kururugi and Rolo Lamperouge. Marianne would fit with your theory as Yui Ikari, Milly would be Misato Katsuragi, and Cecile would be Maya Ibuki. C.C. is much harder to place, [[EpilepticTrees maybe EVA-01]] or Lilith?
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** Since the series is over, he'll have to do it during one of the picture dramas.

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** Since the series is over, he'll have to do it during one of the picture dramas.{{picture drama}}s.



* [[spoiler:The ending to the picture drama "Miracle Birthday" suggests Lelouch is dead, but somehow still able to "mess around" with the real world (At least he did it in favour of his friends).]]

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* [[spoiler:The ending to the picture drama PictureDrama "Miracle Birthday" suggests Lelouch is dead, but somehow still able to "mess around" with the real world (At least he did it in favour of his friends).]]



The Picture Drama they released set on Lelouch's Birthday pretty much confirmed he did actually die from the stab wound. So if he is coming back, he is literally being brought back from the dead. With him coming back from the actual land of the dead, it is quite possible other deceased characters may come back, like Rolo, Bismark, Marybell, Shirley, and Euphemia.

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The Picture Drama PictureDrama they released set on Lelouch's Birthday pretty much confirmed he did actually die from the stab wound. So if he is coming back, he is literally being brought back from the dead. With him coming back from the actual land of the dead, it is quite possible other deceased characters may come back, like Rolo, Bismark, Marybell, Shirley, and Euphemia.
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*** Plus, the Code only activates when the person 'dies' once. Until then, Geass is still in effect. Besides, the WoG is that Lelouch vi Brittania is dead- what about Lelouch Lamperouge?

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*** Plus, the Code only activates when the person 'dies' once. Until then, Geass is still in effect. Besides, the WoG [=WoG=] is that Lelouch vi Brittania is dead- what about Lelouch Lamperouge?
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Consider the following: Ohgi starts off the series unsure of his abilities to lead his group, has few resources but is aided by dedicated friends, is willing to take the blame for things that aren't his fault, and lately pulled a [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] turn that's left him very unpopular with the fanbase. Taniguchi felt overwhelmed when he started on ''Code Geass'', had few resources due to being [[ScrewedByTheNetwork Screwed By Sunrise]] but had many co-workers from previous works on his side, is extremely self-effacing, and feels that the fans should be upset with him for not being able to make the story exactly the way it should have been (he actually considered quitting the anime industry as a form of apology after Season 1 went off track!). Most importantly of all, Ohgi constantly wears a headband, even in his dress uniform; the {{Hachimaki}} is Taniguchi's trademark, as seen in his cameo appearance in ''Manga/BambooBlade''.

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Consider the following: Ohgi starts off the series unsure of his abilities to lead his group, has few resources but is aided by dedicated friends, is willing to take the blame for things that aren't his fault, and lately pulled a [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] turn that's left him very unpopular with the fanbase. Taniguchi felt overwhelmed when he started on ''Code Geass'', had few resources due to being [[ScrewedByTheNetwork Screwed By Sunrise]] but had many co-workers from previous works on his side, is extremely self-effacing, and feels that the fans should be upset with him for not being able to make the story exactly the way it should have been (he actually considered quitting the anime industry as a form of apology after Season 1 went off track!). Most importantly of all, Ohgi constantly wears a headband, even in his dress uniform; the {{Hachimaki}} hachimaki is Taniguchi's trademark, SignatureHeadgear, as seen in his cameo appearance in ''Manga/BambooBlade''.
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[[WMG:It's ''not'' an alternate history; rather, events proceeded as they did in the real world until fairly recently (probably the mid or late 1990s, or even sooner), when a [[RealityWarper reality]] [[LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya warper]] redid everything. Sloppily.]]

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[[WMG:It's ''not'' an alternate history; rather, events proceeded as they did in the real world until fairly recently (probably the mid or late 1990s, or even sooner), when a [[RealityWarper reality]] [[LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya [[Literature/HaruhiSuzumiya warper]] redid everything. Sloppily.]]
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Otherwise Nina wouldn't have [[ADateWithRosiePalms used a table]]. A ''table''. Who does that? If you need to use an implement, why a ''table''?!

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Otherwise Nina wouldn't have [[ADateWithRosiePalms used a table]].table. A ''table''. Who does that? If you need to use an implement, why a ''table''?!
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* Some of the French-sounding names may actually be the Britannian equivalents to Canadians in the ''Anime/CodeGeass'' Universe. Since the French Canadians would have been assimilated into the Britannian Empire much earlier than others (a possible Area 1, perhaps?), they've been accepted as Britannians by this point. Hence, names like Lamperouge and Fenette could be originally from Quebec (which would be "North Britannia" at this point?). Nunnally is really a crapshoot for being an ethnic descriptor, since a [[{{Wiki/Wikipedia}} wiki search]] reveals only that it is American as far as we know, and that the only case of it being a given name aside from here is [[GenderBlenderName with a guy]].

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* Some of the French-sounding names may actually be the Britannian equivalents to Canadians in the ''Anime/CodeGeass'' Universe. Since the French Canadians would have been assimilated into the Britannian Empire much earlier than others (a possible Area 1, perhaps?), they've been accepted as Britannians by this point. Hence, names like Lamperouge and Fenette could be originally from Quebec (which would be "North Britannia" at this point?). Nunnally is really a crapshoot for being an ethnic descriptor, since a [[{{Wiki/Wikipedia}} [[Website/{{Wikipedia}} wiki search]] reveals only that it is American as far as we know, and that the only case of it being a given name aside from here is [[GenderBlenderName with a guy]].
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* [[spoiler:Jossed. Taken straight from Wiki/{{Wikipedia}}: In volume 42 of the Japanese magazine Continue, writer Ichiro Okouchi confirms Lelouch's death, explaining that it is the price he needed to pay to create his better world. In addition, said magazine includes the name "Lelouch vi Britannia" on its death list.]]

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* [[spoiler:Jossed. Taken straight from Wiki/{{Wikipedia}}: Website/{{Wikipedia}}: In volume 42 of the Japanese magazine Continue, writer Ichiro Okouchi confirms Lelouch's death, explaining that it is the price he needed to pay to create his better world. In addition, said magazine includes the name "Lelouch vi Britannia" on its death list.]]
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Kill Em All was renamed Everybody Dies Ending due to misuse. Dewicking


*** If Anime/CodeGeass were {{Tragedy}}, it would have something of a KillEmAll DownerEnding, which would frankly be more acceptable in a way than the so-called BittersweetEnding, where less sympathetic people, including the ones who caused many of the problems in the story, were allowed to live on and even get a HappyEnding. At least there would be no beating around the bush if the former were so. And Lelouch wasn't specifically telling jokes about Nunnally, just making a passing reference to folding clothes. And about the Zero Requiem itself, did you ignore the parts where I mentioned the bad things that he did in the process (i. e. enslavement, destruction, human shields, etc.)? That's not atonement at all! Any right minded person would see a deliberate choice of that as a MoralEventHorizon crossing, given that he could do something more peaceful. And even if that was only in Suzaku's story, that's not to say it was an either/or case. Not to mention that that wasn't the first time he was lamenting everyone he lost, the first time being right after he was chased away from the Black Knights. And of course, it was right afterwards that he made his first attempt at TheLastDance by isolating himself with Charles, hence creating a solid precedence. Lastly, while I agree it's an opinion, it's not an uncommon one, as many others agree that the Zero Requiem and the logistics behind it are [[FridgeLogic highly implausible]].

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*** If Anime/CodeGeass were {{Tragedy}}, it would have something of a KillEmAll DownerEnding, which would frankly be more acceptable in a way than the so-called BittersweetEnding, where less sympathetic people, including the ones who caused many of the problems in the story, were allowed to live on and even get a HappyEnding. At least there would be no beating around the bush if the former were so. And Lelouch wasn't specifically telling jokes about Nunnally, just making a passing reference to folding clothes. And about the Zero Requiem itself, did you ignore the parts where I mentioned the bad things that he did in the process (i. e. enslavement, destruction, human shields, etc.)? That's not atonement at all! Any right minded person would see a deliberate choice of that as a MoralEventHorizon crossing, given that he could do something more peaceful. And even if that was only in Suzaku's story, that's not to say it was an either/or case. Not to mention that that wasn't the first time he was lamenting everyone he lost, the first time being right after he was chased away from the Black Knights. And of course, it was right afterwards that he made his first attempt at TheLastDance by isolating himself with Charles, hence creating a solid precedence. Lastly, while I agree it's an opinion, it's not an uncommon one, as many others agree that the Zero Requiem and the logistics behind it are [[FridgeLogic highly implausible]].
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* He's got to live and keep his cart, otherwise the events of ''LightNovel/SpiceAndWolf'' can't happen.

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* He's got to live and keep his cart, otherwise the events of ''LightNovel/SpiceAndWolf'' ''Literature/SpiceAndWolf'' can't happen.
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* Alternatively, she actually left him inside her memories in the C's World with the spirit version of herself.

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* Alternatively, she actually left him inside her memories in the C's World with the spirit version of herself.
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* Alternatively, she actually left him inside her memories in the C's World with the spirit version of herself.
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* ''Or'', if we're to assume that she's not Japanese, her name could still come to mean "Snow (White)" in some other language. Alternatively, her name could be Chloe[[note]]which means "green one"[[/note]] ([[YouGottaHaveBlueHair just look at her]] ''[[YouGottaHaveBlueHair hair!]]'')

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* ''Or'', if we're to assume that she's not Japanese, her name could still come to mean "Snow (White)" in some other language. Alternatively, her name could be Chloe[[note]]which means "green one"[[/note]] ([[YouGottaHaveBlueHair just (just look at her]] ''[[YouGottaHaveBlueHair hair!]]'')her ''hair!'')
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They wanted Japan as a trading post for Chinese [[SpotOfTea tea]].

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They wanted Japan as a trading post for Chinese [[SpotOfTea tea]].tea.
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[[WMG: The British Isles have either a Gaelic or plain English culture and are republics]]

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[[WMG: The British Isles are [[BalkanizeMe Balkanized]], have either a Gaelic or plain English culture culture, and are republics]]



Alternatively, most British people fled to the Americas after Napoleon, and those who are left are just hardcore republicans or Gaelic nationalists glad the crown is gone.

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Alternatively, most British people fled to the Americas after Napoleon, and those who are left are just hardcore Cromwellist republicans or Gaelic nationalists glad the crown is gone.
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* Confirmed in ''Lelouch of the Resurrection'', wherein the Holy Britannian Empire was abolished (replaced by the Principality of Britain), and Nunnally is no longer the ruler, rather she spends her royalty involved in charity, ala Princess Diana of Real Life UK.



It IS, however, still possible for Michael Wilson to become the President of the United States of America. He'll just be the first, not the 47th, and would need a substantial amount of support from governments hostile to Britannia. Also, his Geass forces the insufficiently awesome to remove themselves from the battlefield by any means necessary.

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It IS, however, still possible for Michael Wilson to become the President of the United States Florida Man of America. He'll just be the first, not the 47th, and would need a substantial amount of support from governments hostile to Britannia. Also, his Geass forces the insufficiently awesome to remove themselves from the battlefield by any means necessary.



[[WMG:Not only was Lelouch of French descent (through Marianne, indicated by their French names), he was also the descendant of UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte]]
Because in this timeline, Napoleon was a MagnificentBastard who destroyed UsefulNotes/TheBritishEmpire where the Sun never Sets. However, all that ended when he, and hence the centre of the French Empire, died. The ensuing power vacuum was unable to contain the social-democratic revolutions that created the European Union, which expelled the Bonaparte family into exile for fear that any of their descendants may decide to become a Napoleon II. After Britannia adopted a culture of meritocratic SocialDarwinism, they took the legendary Bonapartes under their protection to be renamed as "Lamperouge", but in fact they secretly planned to use eugenics to create a second Napoleon as a weapon to conquer and rule the entire world in the name of Britannia. This "Napoleon II" was realized in the form of Lelouch. In the Britannian nobility's perspective, a Britannian Napoleon-clone was also a powerful form of revenge against the original Emperor who expelled them from Great Britain.

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[[WMG:Not [[WMG:Lelouch wasn't only was Lelouch of French descent (through Marianne, indicated by their French names), descent. In fact, he was also is the direct descendant of UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte]]
Because Our Timeline already knows that Napoleon was a legendary MagnificentBastard. But in this timeline, Napoleon was a MagnificentBastard who he achieved the impossible: he destroyed UsefulNotes/TheBritishEmpire where UsefulNotes/TheBritishEmpire. Humiliated them, took the Sun never Sets. Motherland, and forced the British Royal Family to evacuate to Canada. However, all that ended when he, and hence the centre of the French Empire, died. The ensuing he died, creating a massive power vacuum was unable - allowing for democratic and socialist uprisings to contain spread all over Europe. In a case of irony, the social-democratic revolutions that created the European Union, which expelled the Bonaparte family into exile for fear that any of their descendants may decide Bonapartes themselves were forced to become a Napoleon II. flee from Europe. After Britannia adopted became a culture of meritocratic SocialDarwinism, SocialDarwinist techno-meritocracy, they took the legendary Bonapartes under their protection to be renamed as "Lamperouge", but in fact they secretly planned to use eugenics [[SuperBreedingProgram eugenics]] to create a second Napoleon as a weapon to conquer and rule the entire world in the name of Britannia. This Bonapartist supergenius, "Napoleon II" was realized in the form of Lelouch. In the Britannian nobility's perspective, a Britannian Napoleon-clone to be used as a weapon against the EU was also a powerful and ironic form of revenge against the original Emperor who expelled them from Great Britain.
the Motherland. Too bad Charles had other plans for Lelouch - whom, unfortunately for everyone else, retained the ambitions, grandiosity and magnificent bastardry of his ancestor.
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[[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome But it will only be as a joke,]] [[DeFictionalization obviously.]] In reality, it would be used to draw attention to:

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[[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome [[DeconstructedTrope But it will only be as a joke,]] [[DeFictionalization obviously.]] In reality, it would be used to draw attention to:
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[[RealityEnsues But it will only be as a joke,]] [[DeFictionalization obviously.]] In reality, it would be used to draw attention to:

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[[RealityEnsues [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome But it will only be as a joke,]] [[DeFictionalization obviously.]] In reality, it would be used to draw attention to:
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Not So Different was renamed to Not So Different Remark per TRS; if this isn't pointed out in-story, this isn't an example.


This is why L [[IncrediblyLamePun zeroes]] in on Light immediately, he recognizes [[NotSoDifferent a kindred soul]], a Machiavellian bastard just like him or [[RoyallyScrewedUp his family]].

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This is why L [[IncrediblyLamePun zeroes]] in on Light immediately, he recognizes [[NotSoDifferent a kindred soul]], soul, a Machiavellian bastard just like him or [[RoyallyScrewedUp his family]].
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*** Miraculous Birthday pretty much confirms he is dead.

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*** Miraculous Birthday pretty much confirms he is dead.
dead. Also, Nunnally's psychic flashback is likely due to her own abilities she gained as a result of the experimentation mentioned in the light novels.
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*** Miraculous Birthday pretty much confirms he is dead.
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Well, as with most versions of the [[KingArthur Arthurian legend]], the top knight of the realm was having it off with the que-- uh, empress. He was clearly in posthumous mourning for his illicit lover. He even dies with her name on his lips!

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Well, as with most versions of the [[KingArthur [[Myth/ArthurianLegend Arthurian legend]], the top knight of the realm was having it off with the que-- uh, empress. He was clearly in posthumous mourning for his illicit lover. He even dies with her name on his lips!
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** His asexuality could be psychological in nature. He didn't have the ideal role model for a father figure ([[Mystical108 108 Wives that he supposedly cared nothing for]]), so his views on that may be a bit... biased against his father. On top of that, the only females he interacted with during his childhood years were his mother, sisters, step-mothers, and servants. Add to that the trauma he faced, seeing his mother die and the one country he came to feel at home in get brutally invaded and oppressed while he and his sister barely survived, as well as the fact that said sister a blind cripple who required constant attention. On top of ''that'', he's in the middle of orchestrating a rebellion in Japan, so he's kinda pre-occupied. Combined with regular teenage awkwardness, he could just be a fish out of water when it comes to flirting and dating, not quite sure how to handle himself. He could also be (consciously? ''un''consciously? '''Sub'''consciously?) trying to distance himself from his father.

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** His asexuality could be psychological in nature. He didn't have the ideal role model for a father figure ([[Mystical108 108 (108 Wives that he supposedly cared nothing for]]), for), so his views on that may be a bit... biased against his father. On top of that, the only females he interacted with during his childhood years were his mother, sisters, step-mothers, and servants. Add to that the trauma he faced, seeing his mother die and the one country he came to feel at home in get brutally invaded and oppressed while he and his sister barely survived, as well as the fact that said sister a blind cripple who required constant attention. On top of ''that'', he's in the middle of orchestrating a rebellion in Japan, so he's kinda pre-occupied. Combined with regular teenage awkwardness, he could just be a fish out of water when it comes to flirting and dating, not quite sure how to handle himself. He could also be (consciously? ''un''consciously? '''Sub'''consciously?) trying to distance himself from his father.
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** His asexuality could be psychological in nature. He didn't have the ideal role model for a father figure ([[OneHundredAndEight 108 Wives that he supposedly cared nothing for]]), so his views on that may be a bit... biased against his father. On top of that, the only females he interacted with during his childhood years were his mother, sisters, step-mothers, and servants. Add to that the trauma he faced, seeing his mother die and the one country he came to feel at home in get brutally invaded and oppressed while he and his sister barely survived, as well as the fact that said sister a blind cripple who required constant attention. On top of ''that'', he's in the middle of orchestrating a rebellion in Japan, so he's kinda pre-occupied. Combined with regular teenage awkwardness, he could just be a fish out of water when it comes to flirting and dating, not quite sure how to handle himself. He could also be (consciously? ''un''consciously? '''Sub'''consciously?) trying to distance himself from his father.

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** His asexuality could be psychological in nature. He didn't have the ideal role model for a father figure ([[OneHundredAndEight ([[Mystical108 108 Wives that he supposedly cared nothing for]]), so his views on that may be a bit... biased against his father. On top of that, the only females he interacted with during his childhood years were his mother, sisters, step-mothers, and servants. Add to that the trauma he faced, seeing his mother die and the one country he came to feel at home in get brutally invaded and oppressed while he and his sister barely survived, as well as the fact that said sister a blind cripple who required constant attention. On top of ''that'', he's in the middle of orchestrating a rebellion in Japan, so he's kinda pre-occupied. Combined with regular teenage awkwardness, he could just be a fish out of water when it comes to flirting and dating, not quite sure how to handle himself. He could also be (consciously? ''un''consciously? '''Sub'''consciously?) trying to distance himself from his father.
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* Confirmed. [[spoiler:Charles wanted the Thought Elevator there. The occupation was just a cover.]]

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* The second season's title, R2, would not only be referring to it being "Round 2" of ''Code Geass'', but Lelouch's new name, like C.C. and V.V. Because of JapaneseRanguage, Lelouch Lamperouge would be something like "Rerouch Rampelouge".

[[WMG: C.C. will be the central protagonist of Re;surrection and the movie will be about her attempts to resurrect Lelouch]]
The movie will focus on C.C.'s perspective on how the world is after the Zero Requiem. And while relaxing, she will find out that the a Geass cult will try to destroy the peace that Lelouch had sacrificed. By then, C.C. will enlist the help of Suzaku (who is still masquerading as Zero) but Cornelia might also get involved as well (judging by the first teaser trailer). Probably in the middle of the story, they will decide that they have to bring Lelouch back from the dead before the Geass cult gets to him. This may be similar to the ''Film/{{Justice League|2017}}'' movie but the catch is that C.C. will have to ask herself whether if it is necessary to bring Lelouch back or not and who Lelouch is to the world.

[[WMG: The antagonists in the Re;surrection movie kidnapped Nunually so that they can use her DNA to "resurrect" Lelouch]]
This explains her being in a tube where the BigBad kept her as seen in the trailer. They know that she is Lelouch's sister and that she managed to overpower her father's Geass so she can open her eyes. For them, they might consider her a huge potential for their Geass research. This probably means that they might use her DNA so they can either resurrect Lelouch (assuming that they have his corpse) or make a clone out of him.
* [[spoiler: Partly confirmed. They do need Nunnally's DNA for something geass-related and family-related, but not for resurrecting Lelouch.]]

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* The second season's title, R2, would not only be referring to it being "Round 2" of ''Code Geass'', but Lelouch's new name, like C.C. and V.V. Because of JapaneseRanguage, Lelouch Lamperouge would be something like "Rerouch Rampelouge".

[[WMG: C.C. will be the central protagonist of Re;surrection and the movie will be about her attempts to resurrect Lelouch]]
The movie will focus on C.C.'s perspective on how the world is after the Zero Requiem. And while relaxing, she will find out that the a Geass cult will try to destroy the peace that Lelouch had sacrificed. By then, C.C. will enlist the help of Suzaku (who is still masquerading as Zero) but Cornelia might also get involved as well (judging by the first teaser trailer). Probably in the middle of the story, they will decide that they have to bring Lelouch back from the dead before the Geass cult gets to him. This may be similar to the ''Film/{{Justice League|2017}}'' movie but the catch is that C.C. will have to ask herself whether if it is necessary to bring Lelouch back or not and who Lelouch is to the world.

[[WMG: The antagonists in the Re;surrection movie kidnapped Nunually so that they can use her DNA to "resurrect" Lelouch]]
This explains her being in a tube where the BigBad kept her as seen in the trailer. They know that she is Lelouch's sister and that she managed to overpower her father's Geass so she can open her eyes. For them, they might consider her a huge potential for their Geass research. This probably means that they might use her DNA so they can either resurrect Lelouch (assuming that they have his corpse) or make a clone out of him.
* [[spoiler: Partly confirmed. They do need Nunnally's DNA for something geass-related and family-related, but not for resurrecting Lelouch.]]
Rampelouge".

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