Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 63,64 (click to see context) from:
** That's actually Napoleon's plan to invade Russia, and Ted is absolutely right about it not working. Getting involved in a land war in Asia '''is''' one of [[ThePrincessBride the classic blunders]] after all.
to:
** That's actually Napoleon's plan to invade Russia, and Ted is absolutely right about it not working. Getting involved in a land war in Asia '''is''' one of [[ThePrincessBride [[Film/ThePrincessBride the classic blunders]] after all.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
[[WMG: In the original timeline, Theodore Logan was one of history's greatest monsters.]]
The timeline as we see it is a particularly nonsensical StableTimeLoop - the utopian future could only happen if Wyld Stallions became a popular band, but Wyld Stallions couldn't stay together unless Bill and Ted passed their history exam, which they couldn't possibly do unless visitors ''from'' the utopian future came back in time expressly to help them. That being the case, how did the future ever arise in the first place?
One guess: the original time travel plot wasn't intended to maintain the future, but to ''change it''.
When events originally played out, Ted was forced to go to a sadistic military school, wound up an angry and embittered soldier, rose through the ranks to become a powerful military figure whose natural ability to inspire cultlike worship gained him many followers, eventually leading to a military coup, then a violent campaign for world domination, then decades of tyrannical dictatorship.
A rebel faction invented time travel and used it to send a man back in time to change this one crucial event in Ted's life - kind of like a time traveller helping Hitler's art career so he never became the Fuhrer. To explain to Ted why it was so important for the future that Wyld Stallions stay together, he made up some claptrap about a perfect future inspired by their music. What he could never have foreseen was that Bill and Ted would take this seriously and devote their musical careers to furthering world peace - or that, thanks to the same charisma which originally helped Ted seize control of the world, they would actually ''succeed'', and this time around Ted (with Bill in tow) would become not a tyrant but a ''messiah''.
Then of course Bill and Ted would spread the story of how Wyld Stallions would never have happened at all if it weren't for kindly time travellers - and their followers would then ensure that they actually sent those time travellers back to preserve the loop. Thus the loop is created in the first place, and continues from that time on.
The timeline as we see it is a particularly nonsensical StableTimeLoop - the utopian future could only happen if Wyld Stallions became a popular band, but Wyld Stallions couldn't stay together unless Bill and Ted passed their history exam, which they couldn't possibly do unless visitors ''from'' the utopian future came back in time expressly to help them. That being the case, how did the future ever arise in the first place?
One guess: the original time travel plot wasn't intended to maintain the future, but to ''change it''.
When events originally played out, Ted was forced to go to a sadistic military school, wound up an angry and embittered soldier, rose through the ranks to become a powerful military figure whose natural ability to inspire cultlike worship gained him many followers, eventually leading to a military coup, then a violent campaign for world domination, then decades of tyrannical dictatorship.
A rebel faction invented time travel and used it to send a man back in time to change this one crucial event in Ted's life - kind of like a time traveller helping Hitler's art career so he never became the Fuhrer. To explain to Ted why it was so important for the future that Wyld Stallions stay together, he made up some claptrap about a perfect future inspired by their music. What he could never have foreseen was that Bill and Ted would take this seriously and devote their musical careers to furthering world peace - or that, thanks to the same charisma which originally helped Ted seize control of the world, they would actually ''succeed'', and this time around Ted (with Bill in tow) would become not a tyrant but a ''messiah''.
Then of course Bill and Ted would spread the story of how Wyld Stallions would never have happened at all if it weren't for kindly time travellers - and their followers would then ensure that they actually sent those time travellers back to preserve the loop. Thus the loop is created in the first place, and continues from that time on.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 4 (click to see context) from:
to:
* Might be the case in the Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventures episode "Model T for Ted", in which Rufus tells Mr. Logan that his name is actually his middle name, as first and last names have been discontinued by 2688.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
[[WMG: Wild Stallyns improved the future in a ForWantOfANail sort of way.]]
For example, perhaps their music helped an important figure out of a rough time, which outherwise would have [[DrivenToSuicide led them to suicide.]] Later in life, said important figure told everyone of how Wild Stallyns helped them, and, well...
For example, perhaps their music helped an important figure out of a rough time, which outherwise would have [[DrivenToSuicide led them to suicide.]] Later in life, said important figure told everyone of how Wild Stallyns helped them, and, well...
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Deleted line(s) 57 (click to see context) :
Deleted line(s) 61 (click to see context) :
Changed line(s) 64 (click to see context) from:
to:
** That's actually Napoleon's plan to invade Russia, and Ted is absolutely right about it not working. Getting involved in a land war in Asia '''is''' one of [[ThePrincessBride the classic blunders]] after all.
Deleted line(s) 66 (click to see context) :
Deleted line(s) 71 (click to see context) :
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 98 (click to see context) from:
----
to:
[[WMG: The Ted seen at the beginning of the movie is actually Future Ted, back in time after the end of the movie to secure the keys.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
[[WMG: Sometime between now and the future of the movie, a horrific and apocalyptic disaster occurs.]]
A Wild Stallyns album is among the only surviving artifacts of modern times, which is why the scavenger tribes who discover it, desperate for hope, wisdom, and guidance, heed its teachings as they build a new society.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
[[WMG: Missy eventually breaks up with Chuck [=DeNomolos=] for another older man.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
[[WMG: Sometime after his daughters' disappearance, the King was assassinated.]]
The ArrangedMarriage was partly political. With them gone, the "Royal Ugly Dudes" sent an assassin to kill him and soon took over the kingdom.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 29 (click to see context) from:
to:
*** Equally, they had to meet Death as well, who turns out to be their bassist.
Changed line(s) 34 (click to see context) from:
to:
* Do we know for sure that "Ted" here is short for Theodore? It can also be a short form of Edward.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 37 (click to see context) from:
to:
** The comic ''Bill & Ted's Most Triumphant Return'' seems to imply just the opposite. For example, Billy the Kid goes onto fake his death, change his name to Herman and successfully start a new life.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 86 (click to see context) from:
TheCharacterDiedWithHim, which comes into play as Bill and Ted are deprived of his wisdom when it comes time to write the song that ushers in their utopian future. He also locked them out of the Phone booth because he's tryouts no to teach them that there are problems in this world that even time travel can't (or more accurately, ''shouldn't'') be used to fix. Bill and Ted need to learn to live in the moment in order to build a better future.
to:
TheCharacterDiedWithHim, which comes into play as Bill and Ted are deprived of his wisdom when it comes time to write the song that ushers in their utopian future. He also locked them out of the Phone booth because he's tryouts no trying to teach them that there are problems in this world that even time travel can't (or more accurately, ''shouldn't'') be used to fix. Bill and Ted need to learn to live in the moment in order to build a better future.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
[[WMG: Perhaps more heartbreakingly, Rufus has passed away by the time of the third film.]]
TheCharacterDiedWithHim, which comes into play as Bill and Ted are deprived of his wisdom when it comes time to write the song that ushers in their utopian future. He also locked them out of the Phone booth because he's tryouts no to teach them that there are problems in this world that even time travel can't (or more accurately, ''shouldn't'') be used to fix. Bill and Ted need to learn to live in the moment in order to build a better future.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 45 (click to see context) from:
to:
*** Bear in mind that what Mr Ryan asks them to do is ''not'' a straight history report; The report is detailing what these historical figures would make of the modern world and San Dimas, hence Lincoln's final speech and Socrates declaring he 'loves San Dimas' with Ted's assistance. So they didn't determine history nor were they expected to simply report on on these figures and their history; And some of the figures were already doing what they were famous for prior to being picked up; Lincoln is already president, Ghengis Khan is already a conqueror, Socrates is already a philosopher. Bill and Ted also needed a straight A on their history report otherwise they would fail the grade - therefore the time travel is essential because bringing back these figures would is pulling out all the stops and arguably makes their presentation spectacular. That they reference their history book is simply them finding out what year to head back to and getting cliff notes on what the figures are known for; Bill and Ted arguably learn more about the people simply by being ''around them''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
** Or it will be set 20 years later in the present, and 20 years earlier in the future.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
[[WMG: A younger Rufus will appear in the third film, played by LouisCK]]
* Via some HandWave about how the timeline is damaged, some new, miraculous anti-aging medicine, whatever. Rufus will be necessary for a sequel, so Louis will be as close as they can get.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 23 (click to see context) from:
to:
**Rufus lied to motivate the boys to complete their project on time. SanDimasTime doesn't appear to apply anywhere else in the movies.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
[[WMG: "In Time" is actually a Wyld Stallyns song.]]
What better way to greet your idols than treat them to a massive group air guitar set to their future signature song?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 46,47 (click to see context) from:
Even if they were the greatest musicians ever,it wouldn't be enough to make the supposed perfect future.Rather,they became famous due to time travel.Using Rufus' time machine,Bill and Ted learned about all the secrets of history and became smart enough to make major technological advancements.The reason they didn't do it in the first movie was due to them not realising the potential of time travel.Future society simply thinks it was due to their music because said music was the beginning of their rise to fame,or simply because it seems cool.
to:
Even if they were the greatest musicians ever,it ever, it wouldn't be enough to make the supposed perfect future.Rather,they future. Rather, they became famous due to time travel.travel. Using Rufus' time machine,Bill machine, Bill and Ted learned about all the secrets of history and became smart enough to make major technological advancements.advancements. The reason they didn't do it in the first movie was due to them not realising the potential of time travel.travel. Future society simply thinks it was due to their music because said music was the beginning of their rise to fame,or fame, or simply because it seems cool.
Added DiffLines:
[[WMG: The historical figures rationalized the whole event as AllJustADream or MushroomSamba.]]
By all rights Bill and Ted shouldn't have created the future, but completely trashed the past. [[InSpiteOfANail The only way history wouldn't be changed]] beyond the RuleOfCool and amnesia? They rationalized such events as either a really vivid dream, or tripping copious amounts of balls.
By all rights Bill and Ted shouldn't have created the future, but completely trashed the past. [[InSpiteOfANail The only way history wouldn't be changed]] beyond the RuleOfCool and amnesia? They rationalized such events as either a really vivid dream, or tripping copious amounts of balls.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
[[WMG: The duo's AirGuitar is diegetic.]]
Since Bill and Ted will go on to save the world via ThePowerOfRock, it follows that they can easily make bitchin' guitar riffs play by simply moving their hands in a vague strumming motion. Since the Robot Usses are created in the image of Bill and Ted as man is in the image of God, they can replicate this.
Since Bill and Ted will go on to save the world via ThePowerOfRock, it follows that they can easily make bitchin' guitar riffs play by simply moving their hands in a vague strumming motion. Since the Robot Usses are created in the image of Bill and Ted as man is in the image of God, they can replicate this.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
[[WMG: SanDimasTime is just part of "the rules" governing normal time travel practice.]]
That being, that time travellers are "supposed" to return to "their time", or at least, the time interval between leaving and returning is the same amount of time as time has appeared to elapse for them, perhaps to avoid any awkwardnesses over ageing or whatnot. Just, occasionally the time travellers say "screw the rules" effectively and decide to take full advantage of the potential of time travel.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 11 (click to see context) from:
[[WMG:Bill and Ted are spanners from {{Main/Continuum}}.]]
to:
[[WMG:Bill and Ted are spanners from {{Main/Continuum}}.TabletopGame/{{Continuum}}.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 58 (click to see context) from:
to:
** Ted does respond to Napoleon's strategy for Waterloo with "I don't think it's going to work." Napoleon reacts by having a tantrum. He'd be too proud to listen to some teenaged boy's opinion.
Changed line(s) 61 (click to see context) from:
When they mention Mr. Ryan, Missy says "tell him i said Hi". She also makes sure to sit by him at the history report.
to:
When they mention Mr. Ryan, Missy says "tell him i I said Hi". She also makes sure to sit by him at the history report.
** Or perhaps he was her teacher as well. It's mentioned she was a senior when Bill and Ted were freshmen.
** Or perhaps he was her teacher as well. It's mentioned she was a senior when Bill and Ted were freshmen.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
[[WMG: Missy used to date Mr. Ryan.]]
When they mention Mr. Ryan, Missy says "tell him i said Hi". She also makes sure to sit by him at the history report.
When they mention Mr. Ryan, Missy says "tell him i said Hi". She also makes sure to sit by him at the history report.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 55,56 (click to see context) from:
[[WMG: Rufus trusted Bill and Ted with time travel because they were too dumb to mess time up much or change history.]]
to:
[[WMG: Rufus trusted Bill and Ted with time travel because they were too dumb to mess time up much or change history.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
[[WMG: Rufus trusted Bill and Ted with time travel because they were too dumb to mess time up much or change history.]]
They didn't know enough history to, say, warn Abraham Lincoln that he was going to be assassinated, or that Napoleon would be defeated at Waterloo, etc.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
[[WMG: Genghis Kahn's thrashing of the sporting goods store was brought on by a sugar rush.]]
He was lured into the phone booth by a twinkie and ate at the food court before the thrashing of the sporting goods store.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 27 (click to see context) from:
to:
** Not to mention that those two medieval princesses turn out to be ''the rest of the band'', meaning Wyld Stallyns absolutely must use time-travel to complete its lineup.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 42 (click to see context) from:
to:
** But if they were learning everything from the book, why did they even need to go time-travelling? Unless you mean meeting the historical figures is what motivated them to read the book?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 34,36 (click to see context) from:
Most of the people they picked up didn't die quietly in bed.
* But they didn't die in ways related to time travel either. If time travel puts out some sort of "doom aura", I'm pretty sure they'd have picked up on it in the future and Rufus wouldn't use it just to teach music history.
* But they didn't die in ways related to time travel either. If time travel puts out some sort of "doom aura", I'm pretty sure they'd have picked up on it in the future and Rufus wouldn't use it just to teach music history.
to:
Most of the people they picked up didn't die quietly in bed.
* But they didn't die in ways related tobed. The phone booth time travel either. If time travel puts out some sort of machine has a "doom aura", I'm pretty sure they'd have picked up on it in the future and Rufus wouldn't use it just to teach music history.
aura." It even KO'd itself briefly.
* But they didn't die in ways related to
