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* DevelopmentGag: Possibly; In Snyder's version, the Mother Boxes are sentient and malevolent, while here they don't appear to be but Steppenwolf [[CompanionCube talks to them and treats them like they are]]. That said, it's hard to tell if this is intentional or just a by-product of Steppenwolf's AdaptationalPersonalityChange.


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* OrphanedReference: In this version, Steppenwolf [[CompanionCube talking to the Mother Boxes]] just comes off as one of his quirks, while in Snyder's original version they actually ''are'' sentient and malevolent (although Steppenwolf doesn't talk with them there). Might also count as DevelopmentGag.
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: [[WhatCouldHaveBeen/DCExtendedUniverse Enough for its own section on the DCEU's page.]]

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** Creator/BryanCranston was initially offered the part of Commissioner Gordon before Creator/JKSimmons was cast. Cranston previously voiced the character in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanYearOne''.
** Creator/LaurenceFishburne was supposed to reprise his role as Perry White (likely
for its own section just a cameo, as he was supposed to have only one day of filming), but he couldn't fit a trip to London into his schedule to film it. He wound up jumping ship to Creator/MarvelStudios and playing Bill Foster in ''Film/AntManAndTheWasp''.
** The film was originally going to be a MovieMultipack, with the first movie being ''Justice League: Part I'' and the 2019 sequel being ''Justice League: Part II''. Perhaps due to the increasing backlash against Movie Multipacks, the subtitles were dropped, and Zack Snyder assured fans that both movies would be complete, standalone films that happened to feature the same characters.
** Before ''Justice League'' became a movie as part of the DCEU, there were other attempts to bring the team to the screen:
*** There was a pitch for a ''Justice League'' movie given by Creator/GeorgeMiller. The movie, called ''Script/JusticeLeagueMortal'' would not have been attached to any other continuity (though it would've featured an appearance by Michael Gough as Alfred Pennyworth, reprising his role from the Creator/TimBurton[=/=]Creator/JoelSchumacher ''Film/{{Batman|1989}}'' film series). The film would have featured Creator/ArmieHammer as Batman, D.J. Cotrona as Superman, Megan Gale as Wonder Woman, Common as Green Lantern, Adam Brody as the Flash, Creator/AntonYelchin as Kid Flash, Creator/SantiagoCabrera as Aquaman, Hugh Keays-Byrne as the Martian Manhunter, Creator/TeresaPalmer as Talia al Ghul, and Creator/JayBaruchel as Maxwell Lord, the movie's BigBad. The plot would have involved Maxwell Lord trying to use his army of [=OMAC=]s to conquer the world. A major writer's strike from 2007-2008 (combined with the success of ''Film/TheDarkKnight'') killed the project, which remained dormant until the DCEU gained momentum. To show that there's no hard feelings, Miller is a producer of this movie. (Megan Gale and Hugh Keays-Byrne would later appear in Miller's film ''Film/MadMaxFuryRoad'' as the Valkyrie and Immortan Joe.)
*** Had ''Superman Lives'' (the potential Superman movie that would have infamously featured Nicolas Cage in the title role) not been canned, it would have led to a Creator/TimBurton-directed ''Justice League''.
** One wonders how the film would have turned out had Creator/ZackSnyder not left the post-production work (or had ExecutiveMeddling not reworked the film, more exactly). Months after the movie came out, Snyder started posting behind-the-scenes photos
on the DCEU's page.social media Vero and sometimes answering questions about the originally intended version of the film. He stated he didn't see the theatrically released version and doesn't know about things like the Russian family, Barry Allen's obsession with "brunch", Lois being brought to calm Superman down after his resurrection, the 'crystal roots' summoned by the Unity and Lex Luthor's "league of our own" line. He also commented on the removal of Henry Cavill's mustache with CGI, stating "We all know that doesn't work". What's most notable is seeing how different a number of his scenes were to the intended final product, including scenes with clearly different locations than what was shown in the theatrical version, in addition to the ''numerous'' missing trailer scenes, deleted scenes and leaked VFX reels. It all went on to prove once and for all that the reshoots were extensive and did not stick to his original plans.
*** Ditto for Music/JunkieXL, who was replaced by Music/DannyElfman for the soundtrack.
*** Much of the original teasing in ''Batman v. Superman'' was rendered an AbortedArc due to the changes ultimately made to ''Justice League'', and it's unclear how they would have played out had things gone according to plan. It is rumored that the original plan was indeed to stretch the plot out over two films (despite WordOfGod claims to the contrary), with Darkseid appearing as the villain of the second installment and Batman ''dying''.
*** In an interview, Creator/CiaranHinds describes Steppenwolf's motivations as much more sympathetic than they ended up being in the finished product. Instead of an exile who wanted to conquer Earth so he could return home, Steppenwolf was Darkseid's slave, and he conquered other planets for Darkseid because it was the only way he could earn his own freedom.
*** On his podcast, Creator/KevinSmith confirmed that the ending of the movie was originally supposed to feature Comicbook/{{Darkseid}}, who would've [[spoiler: executed Steppenwolf for his failure]]. He then would've expressed a desire to go to Earth and meet "the Kryptonian," seemingly [[SequelHook setting him up to be the villain of a hypothetical sequel]]. [[http://www.comicsblog.fr//images/galerie/bigimage/Storyboard-darkseid-Snyder.jpg A piece of storyboard]] added more weight to this.
*** Cinematographer Fabian Wagner [[https://www.inverse.com/article/39092-justice-league-superman-black-suit-deleted-scenes confirmed]] that scenes featuring Superman's black suit were filmed, but ultimately ended up on the cutting room floor.
*** According to a VFX artist who worked on the film, one of the post-credit scenes was originally going to be a tease for the ''Green Lantern Corps'' film, with Kilowog and Tomar-Re arriving on Earth and meeting Bruce Wayne.
** Zack Snyder has said that Bruce was supposed to gift Barry with a new, more professional looking costume at the end of the film. However, the suit itself would not have been shown, as to allow the creative team of ''Film/TheFlash2022'' to reveal the new costume themselves.
** Concept arts showed that Aquaman was intended to have his iconic suit, and he ended up wearing a golden/green Atlantean battle suit in the film. The iconic suit was introduced in ''Film/{{Aquaman|2018}}'' instead. The reason behind this has probably something to do with the above, that is letting Creator/JamesWan reveal the suit in his film.
** [[https://batman-news.com/2018/10/11/zack-snyder-justice-league-parademon-too-scary/ A planned scene]] about Batman investigating a Parademon nest in which cocooned humans are turned into Parademons was [[ExecutiveVeto vetoed by studio executives]] for being "too scary". This likely would have resulted in Batman pushing forward to recruit other members of the Justice League. Instead, it was replaced by the scene Joss Whedon filmed with Creator/HoltMcCallany.
** At a 2019 Q&A session, Zack Snyder revealed that his original vision was never filmed, as Chris Terrio's script was thrown out and completely rewritten from scratch after the negative reaction to ''Batman v Superman''. The original script was significantly darker than the shooting script, and featured a dystopian future where most of Earth's heroes had been killed and Superman had turned evil after being exposed to the Anti-Life Equation. The events of the "Knightmare" sequence and Flash's cameo in ''BVS'' would've been explained, with the future Batman sending Flash back in time to warn the ''BVS''-era Batman about Lois being the key to stopping Superman from going bad. In one of the screenplay's darkest moments, Darkseid would've ''murdered Lois'' after using a Boom Tube to enter the Batcave. The second film would have involved a time travel plot that would have SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong.
*** Adding to this, a museum set (detailed below) showed other plotlines that would've tied into this. The so-called "league of our own", the Injustice League, would've actually formed in the sequel, where they are in a BigBadDuumvirate with Darkseid, and strike the heroes at critical moments while also helping bring Darkseid to Earth. Despite Lex Luthor's negative stance on Gods, he agreed to the partnership because they have a common enemy in Superman and Darkseid can let him control Earth as a necessary ruler. It would've then turned out that Aquaman's and Wonder Woman's deaths, as seen in Cyborg's vision, were actually caused respectively by Black Manta and Doctor Poison (on the other hand, an attack by Captain Cold fails to kill Flash and Cyborg), and Darkseid was only able to get Superman under the control of the Anti-Life Equation at all because once he said he needed Superman to submit instead of die, Lex told him about Lois. Once that happens, Darkseid [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness orders]] Superman to [[ILied kill Lex]]. An elderly Riddler, off his appearance in ''Film/TheBatman2022'' (when it was still set in the DC Extended Universe) would've solved the equation (and had been DrivenToSuicide as a result), and Ocean Master would've also have a part in the team.
*** Deadshot and Hal Jordan were originally part of Batman's resistance, as listed in those outlines, but were replaced by Deathstroke and Joker in ''Zack Snyder's Justice League''.
** A storyboard sequence featuring the conversation between Lois and Martha showed that once Lois left the room, Martha [[spoiler: was going to be revealed as Comicbook/MartianManhunter in disguise, who would then morph into General Swanwick.
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* TheOtherMarty: A non-acting example; Music/JunkieXL was at one point onboard to write and compose the music for the film, having previously worked on ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice''. But on June 2017, Creator/DannyElfman was announced to have replaced him as the soundtrack's composer.

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* TheOtherMarty: A non-acting example; Music/JunkieXL [[Music/JunkieXL Tom Holkenborg]] was at one point onboard to write and compose the music for the film, having previously worked on ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice''. But on June 2017, Creator/DannyElfman was announced to have replaced him as the soundtrack's composer. This was reversed when Holkenborg came back to compose for ''Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague''.

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* FanNickname: [[{{Scandalgate}} "Mustache-gate"]] is the common name for how the facial hair Henry Cavill was contractually obligated to grow out for ''Mission: Impossible - Fallout'' and [[https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO26b1FUIAAG64R.jpg the botched CGI used for erasing it]] became the ''de facto'' symbols of everything that people felt went wrong with this cut of the movie.

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** "Josstice League" is used by many fans of the Snyder DC movies (and some people beyond) when they refer to this film due to the film being reshaped by Joss Whedon, and to differentiate it enough from the [[Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague director's cut]].
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[[{{Scandalgate}} "Mustache-gate"]] is the common name for how the facial hair Henry Cavill was contractually obligated to grow out for ''Mission: Impossible - Fallout'' ''Film/MissionImpossibleFallout'' and [[https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO26b1FUIAAG64R.jpg the botched CGI used for erasing it]] became the ''de facto'' symbols of everything that people felt went wrong with this cut of the movie.
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* AwesomeDearBoy: Ezra Miller was vocal from the start about how excited he was to play The Flash.

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* AwesomeDearBoy: Ezra Miller was vocal from the start about how excited he was they were to play The Flash.
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** Creator/CiaranHinds was not happy that a lot of the work he did didn't make it to the theatrical version, as Whedon scrapped much of Steppenwolf's character building and backstory.

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** Creator/CiaranHinds was not happy that a lot of the work he did put in didn't make it to the theatrical version, as Whedon scrapped much of Steppenwolf's character building and backstory.



** Ray Fisher ''hated'' having to say the line "Booyah!" for a scene in the reshoots, feeling it reduced Cyborg into a [[UncleTomfoolery stereotypical black comedic relief]] character. His backlash was only furthered by how large parts of Cyborg's backstory got cut out of the theatrical version (all of which was restored in the "Snyder Cut" and went on to be one of the most well-received aspects of the movie), as well as the HostilityOnTheSet between him and Whedon, whom Fisher accused of abusing the cast and crew and creating a toxic work environment.

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** Ray Fisher ''hated'' having to say the line "Booyah!" for a scene in the reshoots, feeling it reduced Cyborg into a [[UncleTomfoolery stereotypical black comedic relief]] character. His backlash was only furthered by how large parts of Cyborg's backstory and character arc got cut out of the theatrical version (all of which was restored in the "Snyder Cut" and went on to be one of the most well-received aspects of the movie), as well as the HostilityOnTheSet between him and Whedon, whom Fisher accused of abusing the cast and crew and creating a toxic work environment.



** In an [[https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/04/chris-terrio-justice-league-batman-v-superman interview]] with ''Vanity Fair'', Creator/ChrisTerrio called what was done to his script and the film he and Snyder originally envisioned "an act of vandalism", among other shots at the ExecutiveMeddling that plagued this movie and ''Batman v Superman''.

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** In an [[https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/04/chris-terrio-justice-league-batman-v-superman interview]] with ''Vanity Fair'', Creator/ChrisTerrio called described what was done to his script and the film he and Snyder originally envisioned as "an act of vandalism", among making other shots at the ExecutiveMeddling that plagued this movie and ''Batman v Superman''.



** The negative reception of this movie (and the middling reception for ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'' before it) as well as the many allegations of abusive behavior brought up against him left a pretty dark mark on Joss Whedon's storied career to the point that he's reportedly been blacklisted from Hollywood.

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** The negative reception of this movie (and the middling reception for ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'' before it) as well as the many ''many'' allegations of abusive behavior brought up against him left a pretty dark mark on Joss Whedon's storied career to the point that he's reportedly been blacklisted from Hollywood.



** Related to the above, Snyder and Chris Terrio had a first version of the script that was deemed "too scary" by studio execs. In Snyder's own words, it was "so crazy that there would have been mass hysteria in the streets" (it mainly concerned the buildup towards the Knightmare of ''Batman v Superman'', which was basically to be HowWeGotHere over two films and included the murder of Lois Lane by Darkseid, as well as Steppenwolf's design and Darkseid himself). They rewrote it, and principal photography was about that second version of the script. ''Then'' there were new exec vetos on what he had filmed (the much-talked about "Snyder Cut"), and the main part of the TroubledProduction that resulted in the theatrical cut started there.

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** Related to the above, Snyder and Chris Terrio had a first version of the script that was deemed "too scary" by studio execs. In Snyder's own words, it was "so crazy that there would have been mass hysteria in the streets" (it mainly concerned the buildup towards the Knightmare of ''Batman v Superman'', which was basically to be HowWeGotHere over two films and included the murder of Lois Lane by Darkseid, as well as Steppenwolf's design and Darkseid himself). They rewrote it, and principal photography was about that second version of the script. ''Then'' there were new exec vetos on what he had filmed (the much-talked about much-talked-about "Snyder Cut"), and the main part of the TroubledProduction that resulted in the theatrical cut started there.
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* FanNickname: [[{{Scandalgate}} "Mustache-gate"]] is the common name for how the facial hair Henry Cavill was contractually obligated to grow out for ''Mission: Impossible - Fallout" and [[https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO26b1FUIAAG64R.jpg the botched CGI used for erasing it]] became the ''de facto'' symbols of everything people felt that went wrong with this cut of the movie.
* FollowTheLeader: Some of Warner Bros' [[ExecutiveMeddling executives pushed]] for this movie to be more like ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'', allegedly bringing in ''Avengers'' director Creator/JossWhedon for rewrites and reshoots.

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* FanNickname: [[{{Scandalgate}} "Mustache-gate"]] is the common name for how the facial hair Henry Cavill was contractually obligated to grow out for ''Mission: Impossible - Fallout" Fallout'' and [[https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO26b1FUIAAG64R.jpg the botched CGI used for erasing it]] became the ''de facto'' symbols of everything that people felt that went wrong with this cut of the movie.
* FollowTheLeader: Some of Warner Bros' [[ExecutiveMeddling executives pushed]] for this movie to be more like ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'', allegedly bringing in ''Avengers'' director Creator/JossWhedon for rewrites and reshoots.reshoots precisely in the hopes that they could get some of that same "magic" in.



** Cyborg, Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman and Aquaman get disintegrated by the detonation of the Mother Boxes' Unity in ''ZSJL'', which is quickly undone by Flash's TimeTravel via the Speedforce. It was all cut from the 2017 version of the film.

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** Cyborg, Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman Batman, and Aquaman get disintegrated by the detonation of the Mother Boxes' Unity in ''ZSJL'', which is quickly undone by Flash's TimeTravel via the Speedforce. It was all cut from the 2017 version of the film.



** Whedon oversaw multiple rewrites to the script (reportedly, over 80 pages of it were rewritten) and reshoots meant to bring in a [[LighterAndSofter brighter tone and more humor]]. This would up entirely overhauling the film, scrapping large parts of Snyder's footage. Creator/RayFisher said only ''thirty seconds'' of his appearance in the 2017 film were shot under Snyder. This came at a high cost due to the nightmare of scheduling and development around four actors who were busy elsewhere (Creator/GalGadot was touring to promote ''Film/{{Wonder Woman|2017}}'', Creator/EzraMiller was filming ''Film/FantasticBeastsTheCrimesOfGrindelwald'', Jason Momoa was filming ''Film/{{Aquaman|2018}}'' and Creator/HenryCavill was filming ''Film/MissionImpossibleFallout''), while having [[HostilityOnTheSet heightened animosity]] because of the stressful production and Joss Whedon's behavior. The conditions led to Creator/BenAffleck relapsing into alcoholism and giving up on a Batman solo movie.

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** Whedon oversaw multiple rewrites to the script (reportedly, over 80 pages of it were rewritten) and reshoots meant to bring in a [[LighterAndSofter brighter tone and more humor]]. This would wound up almost entirely overhauling the film, scrapping large parts of Snyder's footage. Creator/RayFisher said only ''thirty seconds'' of his appearance in the 2017 film were shot under Snyder. This came at a high cost due to the nightmare of scheduling and development around four actors who were busy elsewhere (Creator/GalGadot was touring to promote ''Film/{{Wonder Woman|2017}}'', Creator/EzraMiller was filming ''Film/FantasticBeastsTheCrimesOfGrindelwald'', Jason Momoa was filming ''Film/{{Aquaman|2018}}'' and Creator/HenryCavill was filming ''Film/MissionImpossibleFallout''), while having [[HostilityOnTheSet heightened animosity]] because of the stressful production and Joss Whedon's behavior. The conditions led to Creator/BenAffleck relapsing into alcoholism and giving up on a Batman solo movie.



* WordOfGod: Long before HBO Max made it possible to release it, Zack Snyder confirmed he had a cut of his own for the film, and even "a bunch of them". He shared numerous storyboards, screenshots and story elements of it on the social media Vero since early 2018. It all went on to confirm that the theatrical cut that followed his departure dramatically changed the film and didn't adhere to his style and storytelling, unlike what WB producer Toby Emmerich claimed when the Whedon reshoots started.

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* WordOfGod: Long before HBO Max made it possible to release it, Zack Snyder confirmed he had a cut close to five hours of footage filmed before his own for departure from the film, project, and even "a bunch of them". He he shared numerous storyboards, screenshots screenshots, and story elements of it on the social media his Vero account since early 2018. It all This, along with the many {{missing trailer scene}}s, went on to confirm that the theatrical cut that followed his departure dramatically changed the film rewrites and didn't adhere to his style and storytelling, unlike what reshoots done under Joss Whedon were much more extensive than WB producer chairman Toby Emmerich claimed when the Whedon reshoots started.claimed.
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* TroubledProduction: Where to begin?
** As part of the course correction following the mixed to negative reception to ''Batman v. Superman'', the Creator/DCFilms studio was created and Creator/WarnerBros executives forced changes to Creator/ZackSnyder's and Chris Terrio's script (less of the divisive dark tone, shortening the plot from [[MovieMultipack a two-parter]] to a standalone).
** Principal photography went smoothly. Then Snyder left after delivering an early cut following his adopted daughter Autumn committing suicide. WB execs brought in Creator/JossWhedon, who had already been doing rewrites (given he struck gold making [[Film/TheAvengers2012 the Marvel equivalent]]), to reshape the movie according to their demands since they found it "unwatchable". Contrary to what they once claimed, they never did test screenings on Snyder's version, and some of the 2017 executives who attended a screening of Snyder's version in late 2019 leading up to its 2020 announcement admitted they never even ''watched'' it before ordering reshoots.
** Constant rewrites and reshoots ensued - Creator/RayFisher said only ''thirty seconds'' of his appearance in the 2017 film were shot under Snyder - at a high cost due to the nightmare of scheduling and development around three actors who were busy elsewhere (Creator/GalGadot was touring to promote ''Film/{{Wonder Woman|2017}}'', Creator/EzraMiller was filming ''Film/FantasticBeastsTheCrimesOfGrindelwald'', Jason Momoa was filming ''Film/{{Aquaman|2018}}'' and Creator/HenryCavill was filming ''Film/MissionImpossibleFallout''), while having [[HostilityOnTheSet heightened animosity]] because of the stressful production and Joss Whedon's behavior. The conditions led to Creator/BenAffleck relapsing into alcoholism and giving up on a Batman solo movie.
** Several of these rewrites lead to [[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/features/ray-fisher-opens-up-about-justice-league-joss-whedon-and-warners-i-dont-believe-some-of-these-people-are-fit-for-leadership?__twitter_impression=true conflicts with the actors]] - especially Fisher, who objected to the stark way much of his character's backstory was removed and the racial implications of some of the changes. A 2020 investigation on the film's production found out there were [[HostilityOnTheSet threats]] on the careers of some actors (namely Fisher and Creator/GalGadot) by Creator/GeoffJohns and Whedon respectively.
** Executives refused to change the scheduled release date (see ChristmasRushed above), and post-production had the bonus of Creator/DannyElfman's score [[https://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/danny-elfman-describes-justice-leagues-chaotic-production-had-to-score-storyboards-not-actual-footage-a155619 being hastily written]] based on ''storyboards'' instead of completed footage, and many effects not being up to snuff.

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* TroubledProduction: Where to begin?
** As part of
A ''very'' deeply troubled one at that, and the course correction following chaos undeniably affected the mixed to negative reception to final product.
** Following the criticisms over
''Batman v. v Superman'', the Creator/DCFilms studio was created and Creator/WarnerBros executives forced changes to Creator/ZackSnyder's and Chris Terrio's script (less of the divisive dark tone, tone[[note]]This was originally part of Snyder's plan anyway, as he'd intended for [=BvS=] to be the darkest in the series and then have the subsequent films be lighter in tone[[/note]], shortening the plot from [[MovieMultipack a two-parter]] to a standalone).
standalone). They also mandated that the movie be two hours long despite Snyder's insistence that would be close to impossible, as this movie would be introducing three new characters (Aquaman, Cyborg, and Flash) in addition to establishing the villains.
** Principal photography went smoothly. smoothly for the most part. Then Snyder left after delivering an early cut in May 2017 following his adopted daughter Autumn committing suicide. WB execs brought in Creator/JossWhedon, who had already been doing rewrites (given he struck gold making [[Film/TheAvengers2012 the Marvel equivalent]]), to reshape the movie according to their demands since they found it the early cut Snyder turned in before his departure to be "unwatchable". Contrary to what they once claimed, they never did test screenings on Snyder's version, and some of the 2017 executives who attended a screening of Snyder's version in late 2019 leading up to its 2020 announcement admitted they never even ''watched'' it before ordering reshoots.
** Constant Whedon oversaw multiple rewrites to the script (reportedly, over 80 pages of it were rewritten) and reshoots ensued - meant to bring in a [[LighterAndSofter brighter tone and more humor]]. This would up entirely overhauling the film, scrapping large parts of Snyder's footage. Creator/RayFisher said only ''thirty seconds'' of his appearance in the 2017 film were shot under Snyder - Snyder. This came at a high cost due to the nightmare of scheduling and development around three four actors who were busy elsewhere (Creator/GalGadot was touring to promote ''Film/{{Wonder Woman|2017}}'', Creator/EzraMiller was filming ''Film/FantasticBeastsTheCrimesOfGrindelwald'', Jason Momoa was filming ''Film/{{Aquaman|2018}}'' and Creator/HenryCavill was filming ''Film/MissionImpossibleFallout''), while having [[HostilityOnTheSet heightened animosity]] because of the stressful production and Joss Whedon's behavior. The conditions led to Creator/BenAffleck relapsing into alcoholism and giving up on a Batman solo movie.
** Several of these rewrites lead led to [[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/features/ray-fisher-opens-up-about-justice-league-joss-whedon-and-warners-i-dont-believe-some-of-these-people-are-fit-for-leadership?__twitter_impression=true conflicts with the actors]] - especially Fisher, who objected to the stark way much of his character's backstory was removed and the racial implications of some of the changes. A 2020 investigation on the film's production found out there were [[HostilityOnTheSet threats]] on the careers of some actors (namely Fisher and Creator/GalGadot) by Creator/GeoffJohns and Whedon respectively.
** Executives refused to change the scheduled release date (see ChristmasRushed above), and post-production had the bonus of Creator/DannyElfman's score [[https://www.comicbookmovie.com/justice_league/danny-elfman-describes-justice-leagues-chaotic-production-had-to-score-storyboards-not-actual-footage-a155619 being hastily written]] based on ''storyboards'' instead of completed footage, and many effects not being up to snuff. In the case of the latter, the most infamous of these came in the form of the botched attempts to cover up Henry Cavill's facial hair, which he grew out for his role in ''Mission Impossible'' and wasn't allowed to shave off.

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* CreatorBreakdown: After Creator/ZackSnyder's daughter Autumn tragically committed suicide during post-production, he continued working on the film for about a month, but when reshoots were scheduled in England, he decided to step away from the project to spend time with his family. Creator/JossWhedon took over as director and scriptwriter for those sequences.

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After Creator/ZackSnyder's daughter Autumn tragically committed suicide during post-production, he continued working on the film for about a month, but when reshoots were scheduled in England, he decided to step away from the project to spend time with his family. Creator/JossWhedon took over as director and scriptwriter for those sequences.sequences.
** Ben Affleck also had a rough time from this movie due to the stress of the reshoots, which led to him relapsing back into alcoholism. He's since gotten clean, but it's clear he didn't enjoy his time with Whedon.
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** Ray Fisher ''hated'' having to say the line "Booyah!" for a scene in the reshoots, feeling it reduced Cyborg into a [[UncleTomfoolery stereotypical black comedic relief]] character. His backlash was only furthered by how large parts of Cyborg's backstory got cut out of the theatrical version (all of which was restored in the "Snyder Cut", which went on to be one of the most well-received aspects of the movie), as well as the HostilityOnTheSet between him and Whedon, who he accused of treating the cast and crew abusively and creating a toxic work environment.
** Various other DCEU creative staff have expressed disappointment with how the production was handled and how the final movie turned out. This was partly because they developed their movie to pair with ''Justice League'' in an organic way only to see everything change and most things get removed, and partly out of solidarity with Creator/ZackSnyder, who helped to get them hired and encouraged their vision. Creator/JamesWan and Creator/JasonMomoa have said ''Film/{{Aquaman|2018}}'' picks up where Snyder's original version of the film ended, while Creator/PattyJenkins said she barely recognized the characters who came from [[Film/WonderWoman2017 her movie]] (notably, Diana being more aggressive in the Whedon scenes).

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** Ray Fisher ''hated'' having to say the line "Booyah!" for a scene in the reshoots, feeling it reduced Cyborg into a [[UncleTomfoolery stereotypical black comedic relief]] character. His backlash was only furthered by how large parts of Cyborg's backstory got cut out of the theatrical version (all of which was restored in the "Snyder Cut", which Cut" and went on to be one of the most well-received aspects of the movie), as well as the HostilityOnTheSet between him and Whedon, who he whom Fisher accused of treating abusing the cast and crew abusively and creating a toxic work environment.
** Various other DCEU creative staff have expressed disappointment with how the production was handled and how the final movie turned out. This was partly because they developed their movie movies to pair with ''Justice League'' in an organic way only to see everything change and most things either get removed, changed or removed altogether, and partly out of solidarity with Creator/ZackSnyder, who helped to get them hired and encouraged their vision. Creator/JamesWan and Creator/JasonMomoa have said ''Film/{{Aquaman|2018}}'' picks up where Snyder's original version of the film ended, while Creator/PattyJenkins said she barely recognized the characters who came from [[Film/WonderWoman2017 her movie]] (notably, Diana being more aggressive in the Whedon scenes).



** In an [[https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/04/chris-terrio-justice-league-batman-v-superman interview]] with ''Vanity Fair'', Creator/ChrisTerrio called what was done to the film he and Snyder originally envisioned (and his script) "an act of vandalism", among other shots at the ExecutiveMeddling that plagued this movie and ''Batman v Superman''.

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** In an [[https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/04/chris-terrio-justice-league-batman-v-superman interview]] with ''Vanity Fair'', Creator/ChrisTerrio called what was done to his script and the film he and Snyder originally envisioned (and his script) "an act of vandalism", among other shots at the ExecutiveMeddling that plagued this movie and ''Batman v Superman''.
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** When asked if he wanted to see Snyder's cut of the film, Creator/JasonMomoa said "You know, it sucks in our business when you can't speak your mind, but... Yeah! Fuck yeah, I wanna see it!", and kept saying that he saw the original cut in interviews. Then in November 2019, he posted the much-relayed hashtag "[=#ReleaseTheSnyderCut=]" on his Instagram, accompanying a shot of Aquaman skewering Steppenwolf in front of Diana and a Boom-Tube. Momoa also wanted the [[https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2436890/one-line-jason-momoa-wanted-cut-from-justice-league "talk to fish" lines cut from the film]], as he felt the tongue-in-cheek references to Aquaman's [[ThisLooksLikeAJobForAquaman infamous reputation]] clashed with his and the production's attempts to make the character more badass.

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** When asked if he wanted to see Snyder's cut of the film, Creator/JasonMomoa said said, "You know, it sucks in our business when you can't speak your mind, but... Yeah! Fuck yeah, I wanna see it!", and kept saying that he saw the original cut in interviews. Then in November 2019, he posted the much-relayed hashtag "[=#ReleaseTheSnyderCut=]" on his Instagram, accompanying a shot of Aquaman skewering Steppenwolf in front of Diana and a Boom-Tube. Momoa also wanted the [[https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2436890/one-line-jason-momoa-wanted-cut-from-justice-league "talk to fish" lines cut from the film]], as he felt the tongue-in-cheek references to Aquaman's [[ThisLooksLikeAJobForAquaman infamous reputation]] clashed with his and the production's attempts to make the character more badass.



** While it's still too early to tell if it's completely dead, it's clear that the negative reception of this movie (and ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'' before it), as well as the many allegations of abusive behavior brought up against him, left a pretty dark mark on Joss Whedon's storied career.

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** While it's still too early to tell if it's completely dead, it's clear that the The negative reception of this movie (and the middling reception for ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'' before it), it) as well as the many allegations of abusive behavior brought up against him, him left a pretty dark mark on Joss Whedon's storied career.career to the point that he's reportedly been blacklisted from Hollywood.



* HostilityOnTheSet: With regards to Joss Whedon's tenure as the replacement director. Ray Fisher has been especially vocal about his displeasure at having worked with Whedon, [[https://variety.com/2020/film/news/ray-fisher-joss-whedon-justice-league-1234695831/ accusing him of being unprofessional, abusive, and creating a toxic work environment]]. The fact that Jason Momoa, Gal Gadot (who herself had alleged that Whedon "threatened to ruin her career" and refused to film certain scenes for the reshoots, necessitating a body double to be used in them), and other actors who'd worked with Whedon on previous projects (particularly Franchise/BuffyVerse alumni Creator/CharismaCarpenter, Creator/SarahMichelleGellar, and Creator/MichelleTrachtenberg) openly expressed solidarity with Fisher only further backed up his claims. Fisher has also been harshly critical of the higher-ups in DC and Creator/WarnerMedia, especially Creator/GeoffJohns, [[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/ray-fisher-opens-up-about-justice-league-joss-whedon-and-warners-i-dont-believe-some-of-these-people-are-fit-for-leadership accusing him of willfully ignoring and enabling Whedon's behavior]]. He also singled out Walter Hamada (who became head of Creator/DCFilms after the ''Justice League'' debacle), accusing him of covering Johns.

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* HostilityOnTheSet: With regards to Joss Whedon's tenure as the replacement director. Ray Fisher has been especially vocal about his displeasure at having worked with Whedon, [[https://variety.com/2020/film/news/ray-fisher-joss-whedon-justice-league-1234695831/ accusing him of being unprofessional, abusive, and creating a toxic work environment]]. The fact that Jason Momoa, Gal Gadot (who herself had alleged that Whedon "threatened to ruin her [her] career" and refused to film certain scenes for the reshoots, necessitating a body double to be used in them), and other actors who'd worked with Whedon on previous projects (particularly Franchise/BuffyVerse alumni Creator/CharismaCarpenter, Creator/SarahMichelleGellar, and Creator/MichelleTrachtenberg) openly expressed solidarity with Fisher only further backed up his claims. Fisher has also been harshly critical of the higher-ups in DC and Creator/WarnerMedia, especially Creator/GeoffJohns, [[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/ray-fisher-opens-up-about-justice-league-joss-whedon-and-warners-i-dont-believe-some-of-these-people-are-fit-for-leadership accusing him of willfully ignoring and enabling Whedon's behavior]]. He also singled out Walter Hamada (who became head of Creator/DCFilms after the ''Justice League'' debacle), accusing him of covering Johns.
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** Ray Fisher hated the line "Booyah!" being added during the reshoots, even claiming it did significant damage to his image for his entire acting career, pretty much saying it's akin to making him a [[UncleTomfoolery stereotypical black comedic relief]].

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** Ray Fisher hated ''hated'' having to say the line "Booyah!" being added during for a scene in the reshoots, even claiming feeling it did significant damage to his image for his entire acting career, pretty much saying it's akin to making him reduced Cyborg into a [[UncleTomfoolery stereotypical black comedic relief]].relief]] character. His backlash was only furthered by how large parts of Cyborg's backstory got cut out of the theatrical version (all of which was restored in the "Snyder Cut", which went on to be one of the most well-received aspects of the movie), as well as the HostilityOnTheSet between him and Whedon, who he accused of treating the cast and crew abusively and creating a toxic work environment.



** Deborah Snyder and Creator/ChristopherNolan (credited as producer and executive producer, respectively) both advised Zack Snyder to never watch this cut of the film, with Mrs. Snyder saying she was sure that her husband doing so would "break his heart."
** Creator/ChrisTerrio called what was done to the film (and his script) "an act of vandalism", among other shots at the ExecutiveMeddling that plagued this movie and ''Batman v Superman''.

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** Deborah Snyder and Creator/ChristopherNolan (credited as producer and executive producer, respectively) both advised Zack Snyder to never watch this cut of the film, with Mrs. Snyder saying she was sure that her husband doing so seeing how much of it was changed would "break his heart."
** In an [[https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/04/chris-terrio-justice-league-batman-v-superman interview]] with ''Vanity Fair'', Creator/ChrisTerrio called what was done to the film he and Snyder originally envisioned (and his script) "an act of vandalism", among other shots at the ExecutiveMeddling that plagued this movie and ''Batman v Superman''.

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** [[https://www.complex.com/pop-culture/warner-bros-realized-joss-whedon-justice-league-was-a-piece-of-shit According to one anonymous WB exec]], even the higher-ups felt like the theatrical cut was a "piece of shit", even if they wouldn't vocally admit it.
* CreatorBreakdown: After Creator/ZackSnyder's daughter Autumn tragically committed suicide during post production, he continued working on the film for about a month, but when reshoots were scheduled in England, he decided to step away from the project to spend time with his family. Creator/JossWhedon took over as director and scriptwriter for those sequences.

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** [[https://www.complex.com/pop-culture/warner-bros-realized-joss-whedon-justice-league-was-a-piece-of-shit According to one anonymous WB exec]], even the higher-ups felt did not like the theatrical cut was a "piece of shit", end-product resulting from Whedon's reshoots and rewrites, even if they wouldn't vocally admit it.
--->"When we got to see what Joss actually did, it was stupefying. The robber on the rooftop — so goofy and awful. The Russian family — so useless and pointless. Everyone knew it. It was so awkward because nobody wanted to admit what a piece of shit it was."
* CreatorBreakdown: After Creator/ZackSnyder's daughter Autumn tragically committed suicide during post production, post-production, he continued working on the film for about a month, but when reshoots were scheduled in England, he decided to step away from the project to spend time with his family. Creator/JossWhedon took over as director and scriptwriter for those sequences.



** While it's still too early to tell if it's completely dead, it's clear that this movie (and ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'' before it) left a pretty dark mark on Joss Whedon's storied career.

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** While it's still too early to tell if it's completely dead, it's clear that the negative reception of this movie (and ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'' before it) it), as well as the many allegations of abusive behavior brought up against him, left a pretty dark mark on Joss Whedon's storied career.



** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxquS8JYUuY One of these]] shows Clark returning to the Kryptonian ship, finding two new suits there: the long awaited black suit and a Kryptonian space suit similar to the ones worn by Zod and his crew when they explored abandoned Kryptonian outposts in ''Film/ManOfSteel''.

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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxquS8JYUuY One of these]] shows Clark returning to the Kryptonian ship, finding two new suits there: the long awaited long-awaited black suit and a Kryptonian space suit similar to the ones worn by Zod and his crew when they explored abandoned Kryptonian outposts in ''Film/ManOfSteel''.



** A scene with Barry Allen saving Iris West from a car accident was leaked, and had unfinished special effects. The part with Barry destroying a window with the tip of his finger at high speed is a MissingTrailerScene.

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** A scene with Barry Allen saving Iris West from a car accident was leaked, leaked and had unfinished special effects. The part with Barry destroying a window with the tip of his finger at high speed is a MissingTrailerScene.



** A behind-the-scene clip shows the League (with Superman, and a clean-shaven Henry Cavill, indicating this was not a reshoot) looking at something that produces lightnings.

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** A behind-the-scene behind-the-scenes clip shows the League (with Superman, and a clean-shaven Henry Cavill, indicating this was not a reshoot) looking at something that produces lightnings.lightning.


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* FanNickname: [[{{Scandalgate}} "Mustache-gate"]] is the common name for how the facial hair Henry Cavill was contractually obligated to grow out for ''Mission: Impossible - Fallout" and [[https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO26b1FUIAAG64R.jpg the botched CGI used for erasing it]] became the ''de facto'' symbols of everything people felt that went wrong with this cut of the movie.

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** [[https://www.complex.com/pop-culture/warner-bros-realized-joss-whedon-justice-league-was-a-piece-of-shit According to one anonymous WB exec]], even the higher-ups felt like the theatrical cut was a "piece of shit", even if they wouldn't vocally admit it.



* HostilityOnTheSet: With regards to Joss Whedon's tenure as the replacement director. Ray Fisher has been especially vocal about his displeasure at having worked with Whedon, [[https://variety.com/2020/film/news/ray-fisher-joss-whedon-justice-league-1234695831/ accusing him of being unprofessional, abusive, and creating a toxic work environment]]. The fact that Jason Momoa, Gal Gadot (who had described her experience with Whedon as "not the best one" and refused to film certain scenes for the reshoots, necessitating a body double to be used in them), and other actors who'd worked with Whedon on previous projects (particularly Franchise/BuffyVerse alumni Creator/CharismaCarpenter, Creator/SarahMichelleGellar, and Creator/MichelleTrachtenberg) openly expressed solidarity with Fisher only further backed up his claims. Fisher has also been harshly critical of the higher-ups in DC and Creator/WarnerMedia, especially Creator/GeoffJohns, [[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/ray-fisher-opens-up-about-justice-league-joss-whedon-and-warners-i-dont-believe-some-of-these-people-are-fit-for-leadership accusing him of willfully ignoring and enabling Whedon's behavior]]. He also singled out Walter Hamada (who became head of Creator/DCFilms after the ''Justice League'' debacle), accusing him of covering Johns.

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* HostilityOnTheSet: With regards to Joss Whedon's tenure as the replacement director. Ray Fisher has been especially vocal about his displeasure at having worked with Whedon, [[https://variety.com/2020/film/news/ray-fisher-joss-whedon-justice-league-1234695831/ accusing him of being unprofessional, abusive, and creating a toxic work environment]]. The fact that Jason Momoa, Gal Gadot (who herself had described her experience with alleged that Whedon as "not the best one" "threatened to ruin her career" and refused to film certain scenes for the reshoots, necessitating a body double to be used in them), and other actors who'd worked with Whedon on previous projects (particularly Franchise/BuffyVerse alumni Creator/CharismaCarpenter, Creator/SarahMichelleGellar, and Creator/MichelleTrachtenberg) openly expressed solidarity with Fisher only further backed up his claims. Fisher has also been harshly critical of the higher-ups in DC and Creator/WarnerMedia, especially Creator/GeoffJohns, [[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/ray-fisher-opens-up-about-justice-league-joss-whedon-and-warners-i-dont-believe-some-of-these-people-are-fit-for-leadership accusing him of willfully ignoring and enabling Whedon's behavior]]. He also singled out Walter Hamada (who became head of Creator/DCFilms after the ''Justice League'' debacle), accusing him of covering Johns.
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** Creator/ZackSnyder has gone on record to [[http://comicbook.com/dc/2018/02/28/zack-snyder-justice-league-superman-mustache-shade/ make jabs about how bad]] Henry Cavill's CGI-removed mustache looked (he didn't film said scenes) and the Russian family subplot was not part of his original cut ("Honestly, what Russian family?" was his response on that). He also admitted having never seen the version that was released in theaters. When talking about his upcoming Creator/{{Netflix}}-produced film ''Film/ArmyOfTheDead'', Snyder said that he "had no handcuffs on this one" / "the version you'll see will not be a bastardized one", no doubt referring to the ExecutiveMeddling he had to face on ''Justice League''.

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** Creator/ZackSnyder has gone on record to [[http://comicbook.com/dc/2018/02/28/zack-snyder-justice-league-superman-mustache-shade/ make jabs about how bad]] Henry Cavill's CGI-removed mustache looked (he didn't film said scenes) and the Russian family subplot was not part of his original cut ("Honestly, what Russian family?" was his response on that). He also admitted having never seen the version that was released in theaters. When talking about his upcoming Creator/{{Netflix}}-produced film ''Film/ArmyOfTheDead'', Snyder said that he "had no handcuffs on this one" / "the version you'll see will not be a bastardized one", no doubt referring to the ExecutiveMeddling he had to face on ''Justice League''. In May 2021, he revealed that, back in 2016, he had to shoot a scene with the League in a truck making quips while transporting Superman's coffin. He said it was "the worst thing I've ever seen", and didn't include it in his 2021 cut.
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** Deborah Snyder and Creator/ChristopherNolan (credited as producer and executive producer, respectively) both advised Zack Snyder to never watch this cut of the film, with Mrs. Snyder saying she was sure that doing so would "break [her husband's] heart."

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** Zack Snyder's wife Deborah and Creator/ChristopherNolan (credited as producer and executive producer, respectively) both advised Snyder to never watch this cut of the film, with Snyder saying she was sure that doing so would "break [her husband's] heart."

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** Zack Snyder's wife Deborah and Creator/ChristopherNolan (credited as producer and executive producer, respectively) reportedly both advised Snyder to never watch this cut of the film.

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** Zack Snyder's wife Deborah and Creator/ChristopherNolan (credited as producer and executive producer, respectively) reportedly both advised Snyder to never watch this cut of the film.film, with Snyder saying she was sure that doing so would "break [her husband's] heart."
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* FanNickname: ''"Josstice League"'' is used by a number of DCEU fans to deride the film (by mixing in Joss Whedon's name, of course) and better distinguish it from Snyder's version.
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** Creator/JossWhedon apparently wasn't happy with how Steppenwolf turned out, as he [[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/joss-whedon-likes-tweets-criticizing-justice-league-villain-1058992 liked a tweet that called him "the worst comic book movie villain of all time"]]. Considering that it was a studio-mandated change that even he didn't have control over, it's understandable.

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** Creator/JossWhedon apparently wasn't happy with how Steppenwolf turned out, as he [[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/joss-whedon-likes-tweets-criticizing-justice-league-villain-1058992 liked a tweet that called him "the worst comic book movie villain of all time"]]. Considering that it was a studio-mandated change that even he Retrospectively, given how differently Steppenwolf is portrayed in ''Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague'', Whedon didn't have like the changes he ''[[CreatorsApathy himself]]'' applied to the character. [[note]]It should be noted that he had no control over, it's understandable.over his design, which was set in place before he was hired.[[/note]]
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** Creator/JossWhedon apparently wasn't happy with how Steppenwolf turned out, as he [[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/joss-whedon-likes-tweets-criticizing-justice-league-villain-1058992 liked a tweet that called him "the worst comic book movie villain of all time"]]. Retrospectively, given how differently Steppenwolf is portrayed in ''Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague'', Whedon didn't like the changes he ''[[CreatorsApathy himself]]'' applied to the character.

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** Creator/JossWhedon apparently wasn't happy with how Steppenwolf turned out, as he [[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/joss-whedon-likes-tweets-criticizing-justice-league-villain-1058992 liked a tweet that called him "the worst comic book movie villain of all time"]]. Retrospectively, given how differently Steppenwolf is portrayed in ''Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague'', Whedon Considering that it was a studio-mandated change that even he didn't like the changes he ''[[CreatorsApathy himself]]'' applied to the character.have control over, it's understandable.
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* SendingStuffToSaveTheShow: A rather unusual movie example. A fan movement arose after the theatrical release with the aim of getting Warner Bros. to release a director's cut of ''Justice League'' with all the scrapped footage that Zack Snyder filmed and devoid of the infamous Joss Whedon additions. It started with letters and phone calls aimed at Warner Bros executives. Then some fans started a fundraiser and advertisement campaign for the Snyder cut with 50% of the proceeds going to the [[UsefulNotes/{{Suicide}} American Foundation for Suicide Prevention]] that Snyder supports since Autumn's death, and the rest was used to campaign for the cut at the San Diego Comic Con 2019. Further fundraising was used to bring the campaign to [[UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity Times Square]] billboards, alongside campaigns to send letters to new Warner Bros CEO Ann Sarnoff. WB initially stayed silent on the matter, but in May 2020, it announced ''Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague'' would finally see the light of day on Creator/HBOMax in 2021.

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* SendingStuffToSaveTheShow: A rather unusual movie example. A fan movement arose after the theatrical release with the aim of getting Warner Bros. to release a director's cut of ''Justice League'' with all the scrapped footage that Zack Snyder filmed and devoid of the infamous Joss Whedon additions. It started with letters and phone calls aimed at Warner Bros executives. Then some fans started a fundraiser and advertisement campaign for the Snyder cut with 50% of the proceeds going to the [[UsefulNotes/{{Suicide}} American Foundation for Suicide Prevention]] that Snyder supports since Autumn's death, and the rest was used to campaign for the cut at the San Diego Comic Con 2019. Further fundraising was used to bring the campaign to [[UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity Times Square]] billboards, alongside campaigns to send letters to new Warner Bros CEO Ann Sarnoff. WB initially stayed silent on the matter, but in May 2020, it announced they later allowed Snyder to complete and releases his version. ''Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague'' would finally see the light of day on Creator/HBOMax in 2021.
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** Principal photography went smoothly. Then Snyder left after delivering an early cut following his adopted daughter Autumn committing suicide. WB execs brought in Creator/JossWhedon, who had already been doing rewrites (given he struck gold making [[Film/TheAvengers2012 the Marvel equivalent]]), to reshape the movie according to their demands since they found it "unwatchable". Contrary to what they once claimed, they never did test screenings on Snyder's version.
** Constant rewrites and reshoots ensued - Creator/RayFisher said only ''thirty seconds'' of his appearance in the 2017 film were shot under Snyder - at a high cost due to the nightmare of scheduling and development around three actors who were busy elsewhere (Creator/EzraMiller in ''Film/FantasticBeastsTheCrimesOfGrindelwald'', Jason Momoa in ''Film/{{Aquaman|2018}}'' and Creator/HenryCavill in ''Film/MissionImpossibleFallout''), while having [[HostilityOnTheSet heightened animosity]] because of the stressful production (the conditions led to Creator/BenAffleck relapsing into alcoholism and giving up on a Batman solo movie.)
** Several of these rewrites lead to [[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/features/ray-fisher-opens-up-about-justice-league-joss-whedon-and-warners-i-dont-believe-some-of-these-people-are-fit-for-leadership?__twitter_impression=true conflicts with the actors]] - especially Fisher, who objected to the stark way much of his character's backstory was removed and the racial implications of some of the changes. A 2020 investigation on the film's production found out there were [[HostilityOnTheSet threats]] on the careers of some actors (namely Fisher and Creator/GalGadot) by Creator/GeoffJohns and Joss Whedon respectively.

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** Principal photography went smoothly. Then Snyder left after delivering an early cut following his adopted daughter Autumn committing suicide. WB execs brought in Creator/JossWhedon, who had already been doing rewrites (given he struck gold making [[Film/TheAvengers2012 the Marvel equivalent]]), to reshape the movie according to their demands since they found it "unwatchable". Contrary to what they once claimed, they never did test screenings on Snyder's version.
version, and some of the 2017 executives who attended a screening of Snyder's version in late 2019 leading up to its 2020 announcement admitted they never even ''watched'' it before ordering reshoots.
** Constant rewrites and reshoots ensued - Creator/RayFisher said only ''thirty seconds'' of his appearance in the 2017 film were shot under Snyder - at a high cost due to the nightmare of scheduling and development around three actors who were busy elsewhere (Creator/EzraMiller in (Creator/GalGadot was touring to promote ''Film/{{Wonder Woman|2017}}'', Creator/EzraMiller was filming ''Film/FantasticBeastsTheCrimesOfGrindelwald'', Jason Momoa in was filming ''Film/{{Aquaman|2018}}'' and Creator/HenryCavill in was filming ''Film/MissionImpossibleFallout''), while having [[HostilityOnTheSet heightened animosity]] because of the stressful production (the and Joss Whedon's behavior. The conditions led to Creator/BenAffleck relapsing into alcoholism and giving up on a Batman solo movie.)
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** Several of these rewrites lead to [[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/features/ray-fisher-opens-up-about-justice-league-joss-whedon-and-warners-i-dont-believe-some-of-these-people-are-fit-for-leadership?__twitter_impression=true conflicts with the actors]] - especially Fisher, who objected to the stark way much of his character's backstory was removed and the racial implications of some of the changes. A 2020 investigation on the film's production found out there were [[HostilityOnTheSet threats]] on the careers of some actors (namely Fisher and Creator/GalGadot) by Creator/GeoffJohns and Joss Whedon respectively.
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** Creator/JossWhedon apparently wasn't happy with how Steppenwolf turned out, as he [[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/joss-whedon-likes-tweets-criticizing-justice-league-villain-1058992 liked a tweet that called him "the worst comic book movie villain of all time"]]. Retrospectively given how differently Steppenwolf is portrayed in ''Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague'', Whedon didn't like the changes he brought ''[[CreatorsApathy himself]]'' to the character.
** Creator/CiaranHinds was not happy that a lot of the work he did didn't make it to the theatrical version as Whedon scrapped much of Steppenwolf's character building and backstory.
** A number of people who worked on the film have expressed how disappointed they were that a large part of Snyder's work on the film was scrapped and replaced by Whedon's additions. Cinematographer Fabian Wagner has openly stated he was disappointed with how the theatrical cut turned out and has expressed his wish to see Creator/ZackSnyder's version of the film (he reportedly cried when watching the theatrical version, and ''not'' of joy). Ditto with Ben Affleck's stunt double Richard Cetrone, storyboard artist Jay Oliva, stuntman Nick [=McKinless=], production designer Creator/PatrickTatopoulos, photographer Clay Enos and actors Creator/JasonMomoa, Creator/RayFisher, Creator/JKSimmons and Creator/CiaranHinds, among others. They were joined by Creator/GalGadot and Creator/BenAffleck, who both tweeted "[=#ReleaseTheSnyderCut=]" on the second anniversary of the film's release date (they had remained utterly silent on the subject up to this point).

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** Creator/JossWhedon apparently wasn't happy with how Steppenwolf turned out, as he [[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/joss-whedon-likes-tweets-criticizing-justice-league-villain-1058992 liked a tweet that called him "the worst comic book movie villain of all time"]]. Retrospectively Retrospectively, given how differently Steppenwolf is portrayed in ''Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague'', Whedon didn't like the changes he brought ''[[CreatorsApathy himself]]'' applied to the character.
** Creator/CiaranHinds was not happy that a lot of the work he did didn't make it to the theatrical version version, as Whedon scrapped much of Steppenwolf's character building and backstory.
** A number of people who worked on the film have expressed how disappointed they were that a large part of Snyder's work on the film was scrapped and replaced by Whedon's additions. Cinematographer Fabian Wagner has openly stated he was disappointed with how the theatrical cut turned out and has expressed his wish to see Creator/ZackSnyder's version of the film (he reportedly cried when watching the theatrical version, and they were ''not'' {{tears of joy).joy}}). Ditto with Ben Affleck's stunt double Richard Cetrone, storyboard artist Jay Oliva, stuntman Nick [=McKinless=], production designer Creator/PatrickTatopoulos, photographer Clay Enos and actors Creator/JasonMomoa, Creator/RayFisher, Creator/JKSimmons and Creator/CiaranHinds, among others. They were joined by Creator/GalGadot and Creator/BenAffleck, who both tweeted "[=#ReleaseTheSnyderCut=]" on the second anniversary of the film's release date (they had remained utterly silent on the subject up to this point).

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* {{Jossed}}:
** In June 2016, rumors of ''Justice League'' being subtitled either ''United'', ''Angels and Demons'', ''[[VideoGame/InjusticeGodsAmongUs Gods Among Us]]'', or ''Gods Among Men'' swiftly spread on various websites. Just hours later, Creator/GeoffJohns [[https://twitter.com/geoffjohns/status/738924011195793413 declared]] on Twitter that the title is just ''Justice League''.
** There was some confusion about ''Justice League Part Two'' being cancelled after this dropped the ''Part One'' subtitle, but later reports clarified that it isn't - both movies are going to be standalone stories instead of [[MovieMultipack one story in two parts]], as was widely assumed and reported. Producer Deborah Snyder (Zack's wife) later said the latter option was never actually planned in the first place, suggesting that the "Part 2" label was only there as a formality.
** It was consistently believed Darkseid would be the BigBad of the film, but it turns out he will instead be the GreaterScopeVillain to [[TheHeavy Steppenwolf]]. However, clear evidence (most of them provided by Zack Snyder himself) that Darkseid was to have a significant role in the film have surfaced since the release. He was entirely scrapped save for a mention of his name in the theatrical cut during the infamous post-production.
** There was much speculation on the role Creator/MichaelMcElhatton was going to play in the film before its release, the most frequently guessed character being Darkseid. Then it turned out he played an unnamed terrorist leader who wants to blow up the Old Bailey court in London.
** Back during the filming of ''Batman v. Superman'', an early report stated that Commissioner Gordon was dead in the DCEU. The casting of J.K. Simmons confirmed that this is false, including any assumption that the casting is for flashbacks, as the first official trailer shows Gordon meeting with Franchise/{{Batman}} and the League.
** Many believed Superman would wear his famous black suit after his resurrection, to the point a ''WebAnimation/HowItShouldHaveEnded'' parody was so sure of it that it depicted him using it. It didn't happen.
** Rumors started surfacing after a Mashable article was tweeted alleging that Zack Snyder had been fired as opposed to leaving of his own volition. [[https://fandomwire.com/2018/02/13/zack-snyder-not-fired-justice-league/ These rumors have been debunked.]] He was still actively working on edits until May 2017, and decided to leave when he had the choice between spending much needed time with his family after Autumn's suicide and altering his movie with [[ExecutiveMeddling mandated reshoots and new scenes]] he had no motivation to do.
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* FakeNationality: None of the actors playing the Russian family is Russian.
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** Creator/JossWhedon apparently wasn't happy with how Steppenwolf turned out, as he [[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/joss-whedon-likes-tweets-criticizing-justice-league-villain-1058992 liked a tweet that called him "the worst comic book movie villain of all time"]]. Retrospectively given how differently Steppenwolf is portrayed in ''Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague'', Whedon didn't like the changes he brought ''himself'' to the character.

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** Creator/JossWhedon apparently wasn't happy with how Steppenwolf turned out, as he [[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/joss-whedon-likes-tweets-criticizing-justice-league-villain-1058992 liked a tweet that called him "the worst comic book movie villain of all time"]]. Retrospectively given how differently Steppenwolf is portrayed in ''Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague'', Whedon didn't like the changes he brought ''himself'' ''[[CreatorsApathy himself]]'' to the character.
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** Humans: Iris West (Creator/KierseyClemons), Elinore Stone (Creator/KarenBryson), [[ComicBook/TheAtom Ryan Choi]] (Ryan Zheng), Linda Reed (the StrugglingSingleMother played by C. Amanda Maud), Ray Porter's [[TheCameo cameo]] as an ancient blacksmith, Officer Jerry (the RemakeCameo of Creator/MarcMcClure), Creator/ZackSnyder's own CreatorCameo, the rescued schoolgirl Wonder Woman talks to, the chanting women in Iceland (including the one played by Creator/SalomeGunnarsdottir), the Gotham City University dean and the dog daycare owner Barry Allen wants to work for. In addition, the human forces who took part to the battle against Darkseid's forces in ''ZSJL'' include East Asians, Africans and Middle-Easterners -- those too were deleted from the 2017 film.

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** Humans: Iris West (Creator/KierseyClemons), Elinore Stone (Creator/KarenBryson), [[ComicBook/TheAtom Ryan Choi]] (Ryan Zheng), (Creator/RyanZheng), Linda Reed (the StrugglingSingleMother played by C. Amanda Maud), Ray Porter's [[TheCameo cameo]] as an ancient blacksmith, Officer Jerry (the RemakeCameo of Creator/MarcMcClure), Creator/ZackSnyder's own CreatorCameo, the rescued schoolgirl Wonder Woman talks to, the chanting women in Iceland (including the one played by Creator/SalomeGunnarsdottir), the Gotham City University dean and the dog daycare owner Barry Allen wants to work for. In addition, the human forces who took part to the battle against Darkseid's forces in ''ZSJL'' include East Asians, Africans and Middle-Easterners -- those too were deleted from the 2017 film.
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** Creator/JossWhedon apparently wasn't happy with how Steppenwolf turned out, as he [[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/joss-whedon-likes-tweets-criticizing-justice-league-villain-1058992 liked a tweet that called him "the worst comic book movie villain of all time"]]. Retrospectively given how Steppenwolf is portrayed in ''Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague'', Whedon didn't like the changes he brought ''himself'' to the character.

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** Creator/JossWhedon apparently wasn't happy with how Steppenwolf turned out, as he [[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/joss-whedon-likes-tweets-criticizing-justice-league-villain-1058992 liked a tweet that called him "the worst comic book movie villain of all time"]]. Retrospectively given how differently Steppenwolf is portrayed in ''Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague'', Whedon didn't like the changes he brought ''himself'' to the character.

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