History Sandbox / TRSQueue

# '''@/{{MissConduct}}''': 24HourTropeClock (Can be launched without me)
# '''@/{{MissCondutct}}''': AmazingFreakingGrace (Can be launched without me)

# '''@/MightyMewtron:''' TrailerJokeDecay (can launch without me, but please ping me)

[[folder:Trailer Joke Decay]]
'''Category: Complaining'''

TrailerJokeDecay isn't ''too'' bad as far as complaining goes, as it does seem to be criticizing marketing by overplay. However, it still gets repetitive and negative, and I think it could be broadened to focus more on the overplay and less on the subjective impact of the joke, as I think there's more worthy discussion in the ''reasons'' for overplaying a scene in marketing.

Sandbox/TrailerWickDecay shows a healthy amount of usage (40%) that describes frequently-played trailer jokes, but doesn't suggest they got less funny with time. I think this could work as an objective trope (FrequentTrailerScene?), and possibly even be broadened beyond jokes, though only one example I found was non-comedic. I wouldn't be opposed to keeping the subjective variant, but I think the broader one would be more useful as a trope.
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# '''@/{{Malady}}:''' MartialArtsHeadband (wick check incomplete. Can launch without me, but ping me.)

# '''@/{{Malady}}:''' DramaticDangling (Can launch without me, but ping me.)

[[folder:DramaticDangling]]
[[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16777244170A60445500&page=29#comment-724 TLP or Yard it]] since it's starving

The 9 wicks:

!!Dangling clothing item:
* SuperRobotGenre:
--> ** A [[CapedMecha cape]], especially if it is [[BadassCape badass]].\\
*** Anything which [[DramaticDangling hangs loose from the mecha]], including [[ScarfOfAsskicking scarves]] and hair.
* Characters.DestinyGuardianClasses:
--> * DramaticDangling: Titans typically wear cloth heraldic marks clipped to their belt that hangs down over their hip. The design on the mark is made to reflect the deeds and influences of the Titan, so that others who see and understand them might know what they did and what they aspire to do.
* VideoGame.{{Exit}}:
--> * DramaticDangling: That red tie you see on the cover sways and moves as you walk/run/fall etc.

!!Indexing:
* CostumeTropes
* AlliterativeName.TropesAToE

!!Compare with:
* RuleOfCool: And its Dutch version, Nl/RegelVanCool

!!Not to be confused with:
* HighAltitudeInterrogation

!!Other:
* Sandbox.{{Lampshadeortriangle}}
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[[folder:Revolver Are Just Better]]

# '''@/{{Berrenta}}''': OneLinerNameOneLiner (can launch without me)

[[folder:One-Liner, Name...One-Liner]]
OP: Berrenta\\
'''Category: Not Tropeworthy'''

According to the laconic, it is when a statement is repeated to add emphasis. Unfortunately, unless if there are some additional words or pauses, it's not clear that emphasis is added, so most examples come off as simply repeating what was said, which makes me wonder if it's tropable.

According to Sandbox/OneLinerWickCheck, the results are as follows:

* Added emphasis: 9/50 = 18%
* Just repeating the phrase: '''36/50 = 72%'''
* ZCE: 3/50 = 6%
* Unsortable: 2/50 = 4%

Can this be saved in any way? We could rename it, but is there enough to keep, or should we just cut it?
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# '''@/{{Mrph1}}:''' CanonImmigrant (can be launched without me, but please ping me as well) '''(on hold until the wick check is completed)'''
# '''@/Number9Robotic''': LawOfAlienNames (can launch without me, please ping)

[[folder:Law of Alien Names]]
'''Category: Unclear Description'''

Straight-up: I have no idea what the titular "LawOfAlienNames" is supposed to be. This trope has been around since 2008, there's a description, but for the life of me I can't figure out what it's actually definitively about, and it's been evidently confusing people [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Main.LawOfAlienNames#comment-11950 since as early as 2010 based on its Discussion page]], and thus use of it has been extremely inconsistent.

Judging by the page description, the "correct" form of LawOfAlienNames is a mishmash of several phonetic tropes stuffed into one, and some of them are optional. At its basest form:

* Start a name with a consonant.
* Add vowel.
* Add L, M, N, or R (phrased very clumsily as "The next letter will be either an R or an L (sometimes both) ''or'' either an M or N").
* Another vowel.
* Another "R/L/M/N" ''or'' "substituted with another consonant, usually something soft" (so basically any other letter???)

Right off the bat, this feels both too specific and also too vague. By that logic, "Riley", "Caleb", "Dylan", "Lauren", and "Paris" are sufficient alien names. Then we get all the exceptions and additional qualifiers that make it even less of a singular "law":

* For female characters, add "-a" or "-ia" to the end of the name (this gets mentioned in two separate lines)
* For "warrior race" characters, end with D, K, R, or T, but also can add any "hard consonants" anywhere (so again, many letters are okay as long as it sounds "harsh" and so the D/K/R/T thing isn't even a rule).
* Add PunctuationShaker whenever, no real rules in this law.
* For elves, add D, Dh, L, R, M, N, Th or V anywhere. Also end with L or N, I guess. Also make the name 7 letters or longer.
* Also for whatever, double vowels.
* Something something harsh letters for harsh races and the Sonority Sequencing Principle.
* If you're Japanese in specific, you make {{Repetitive Name}}s and conflate R and L together (which isn't a law or a guideline, that's just a statement of fact).

Oof.

This description is just a pure car crash that it was hard for me to even write a proper wick check on this as everything about it is so vague and arbitrary, thus hard to find a vector to approach wicks with. I still tried to do my best with it, [[Sandbox/LawOfAlienNamesWickCheck here's what I got in my wick check]]:

* '''(0/50, 0%)''' Provides description of the name/names and follow the main rules more or less "correctly"
* '''(7/50, 14%)''' Provides description of the name/names but doesn't follow the main rules
* '''(2/50, 4%)''' Uses the trope to establish a work's own naming conventions for alien characters
* '''(13/50, 26%)''' ZCE (literally just listing a name/names with no further elaboration)
* '''(19/50, 38%)''' ZCE (describing some trends but no name examples provided)
* '''(5/50, 10%)''' Listing "aversions"
* '''(4/50, 8%)''' Other forms of misuse (4/50)

Couldn't find any examples that use the rules correctly, and a vast majority of these entries establish no understanding of what the trope is supposed to mean and thus seem to use it as "an alien has a name." This is so ill-defined that I don't think there's any consistent naming phenomenon that it can be reworked to cover; this trope seems like a hard cut for me.
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(in progress)

# '''@/{{Acebrock}}''': VaporWear (Can launch without me with credit and my OP)

[[folder:Vapor Wear]]
by @/{{Acebrock}}

!!Category: '''Not Tropeworthy'''

This trope is about characters who are obviously going without underwear, and that's it. While the description offers several possible meanings, they're rarely used in examples, off-page (didn't check on page) and that's when the trope is being used correctly at all!

The Sandbox/VaporWearWickCheck shows that it's a mess of usage, as well. Examples about characters being barely clothed, examples where characters' lack of undergarments has to be revealed to the audience, and even examples where the supposed to be obvious lack of underwear is actively hidden from the audience are included alongside the usual ZCEs, a typo for VaporWare (which this trope is obviously a snowclone of) and correct but meaningless examples. Out of the 57 wicks checked, 19 were correct but lacked any explanation for why they go without (and, per the precedent set by DoesNotLikeShoes, there needs to be meaning behind an aspect of their appearance for it to be tropable). Another six offered some explanation, but the use on those pages is all over the place, and two of them are from playing with pages, so not exactly proper examples.

I think disambiguating between {{Stripperiffic}}, GoingCommando, TheissTitillationTheory, and potentially other tropes is the best option for this page, unless we can find some meaning to coalesce a trope around, and I'm not sure we can.
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TwentyFourHourTropeClock looks like an index, but it's written and organized more like a Useful Notes page, explaining what happens at each time of day like we need it explained to us how afternoon works. Some times of the day have no tropes at all. A lot of the dusk and night tropes overlap with (or could go into) Darkness and Shadows Tropes. If it's an index, it should be less wordy, and we do not need a Useful Notes on the day-night cycle because it's something literally everyone has first-hand experience with. There were suggestions it be moved to Just for Fun.

# '''@/{{Theriocephalus}}:''' BeneathTheEarth

[[folder:Beneath the Earth]]
Several tropes in a trenchoat.

On its face, the trope seems to want to be about underground settings as a general category, and specifically about underground areas with their own self-contained societies and ecosystems. There's a large variety of example types, mainly as a soft split between "Urban" and "Caverns" versions. The former is concerned with some sort of society living in the sewers, buried buildings and assorted underground spaces of a surface-oriented city, or in the ruins of an old city buried under a new one; emphasis here is placed on living hidden from the surface and mooching resources and energy from up top. The latter is concerned with extensive cavern systems running beneath the world and containing their own underground ecosystems and civilizations; the description lists off natives (mole people, morlocks, dwarves, dark elves, etc.), fauna (dinosaurs, giant insects), and environment features (lava, giant mushrooms, tropical lost worlds). The earliest version I could find on the Wayback Machine is [[https://web.archive.org/web/20060503212539/https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BeneathTheEarth this one, from 2006]]; it's much more bare-bones but shows the same general trend and a lot of text is carried over to the present version.

As a general analysis, the main concepts identifiable here are:
# "A city used to be aboveground but was buried, forgotten, and built over."
# "A city was built in an underground space."
# "A society of mole people, mutants, vagrants, or similar things lives in the underground spaces of a human city, usually in secret."
# "A large, sprawling network of caverns and tunnels, home to subterranean civilizations, lost worlds, strange creatures and dramatic natural phenomena."
# "People escape a catastrophe or other great threat by retreating in natural or artificial underground spaces."

As to what to do with this, these are my main takeaways:
* The first concept is covered by an existing trope, UnderCity.
* The second concept is covered by another existing trope, UndergroundCity.
* The third, fourth, and fifth concepts, I think, all have good potential to be split off into their own tropes. My suggestion to deal with the identity issues here is to just... do that.

(I think that there's a discussion worth having about whether UnderCity and UndergroundCity really need to be separate things, but that's another discussion.)

[[Sandbox/BeneathTheEarthWickCheck2024 Wick check.]]
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** Also ping '''@/{{Coachpill}}'''

# '''@/{{Adept}}:''' FanartAtFirstSight ([[Sandbox/FanartAtFirstSightWickCheck wick check + OP]] -- can launch without me)

# '''@/{{Eggy0}}:''' WhyWeCantHaveNiceThings ([[Sandbox/WhyWeCantHaveNiceThingsWickCheck Wick check + post]]; can be launched with credit, please ping)

# '''@/Number9Robotic''': HePannedItNowHeSucks (can launch without me, but please ping me)

[[folder:He Panned It, Now He Sucks]]
'''Category: Complaining'''

As the wiki is becoming more aware about complaining and gratuitous negativity, the more that the purpose of HePannedItNowHeSucks confuses me. According to the trope page's description, this should be a trope (or YMMV article, whatever exactly it's called haha) that primarily applies to {{review}}ers and whatever platform they work off of, but more often than not, HePannedItNowHeSucks is used on pages of works themselves to highlight some random, unrelated reviewer's negative opinion of the work, and for the life of me, I can't figure out why that'd be something worth documenting, since it always comes down to "this person gave a meh score and fans got annoyed."

[[Sandbox/HePannedItNowHeSucksWickCheck Wick check here]]. ''Semi-important note:'' good fraction of the wicks are used specifically for the bodies of trope pages as simple definitions (such as all the Dethroning Moment pages; it only exists to say "Please no HePannedItNowHeSucks). Will be disqualifying those examples for this check, but make of that what you will. My current findings:

* '''(1/50, 2%)''' Used in a reviewer's YMMV page more or less correctly for its intended purpose (and even then, it's a borderline case due to lacking elaborate context).
* '''(9/50, 18%)''' Used in a reviewer's YMMV page but have their own significant problems (misuse, ZCE, etc.) .
* '''(21/50, 42%)''' Used in a work's YMMV page to complain about someone's opinion.
* '''(8/50, 16%)''' Term used as definition (invoking, discussion, in-universe examples).
* '''(3/50, 6%)''' Other [=ZCEs=].
* '''(8/50, 16%)''' Other forms of misuse

In general, there doesn't appear to be a real feasible middle ground between either over-explaining why the reviewer's opinion is disliked (treading very much into ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow, occasionally with extensive rebuttals arguing against the person's criticisms), or simply not enough to even explain that something was "panned" to begin with. There's also a common trend of entries that openly admit that the person in question ''didn't'' pan the work but was merely lukewarm about it, which seems especially petty (wasn't EightPointEight disambiguated in part because of that?). Another pattern is people ''inverting'' the trope and documenting examples where critics ''like'' or praise something and that receives flack, despite YMMV "tropes" not allowing such modification.

One last thing that I didn't include in part of the wick checks are the dedicated HePannedItNowHeSucks pages for specific reviewers, such as [[HePannedItNowHeSucks/{{Jimquisition}} Jimquisition]], [[HePannedItNowHeSucks/TheMysteriousMrEnter The Mysterious Mr. Enter]], and HePannedItNowHeSucks/TheNostalgiaCritic. Most of the entires of these pages come off as having the same ramblingly negative tones you'd find in a Darth Wiki Horrible article than something that belongs in a typical YMMV article, and they all also suffer the aforementioned problems of either over-explaining the negativity, over''stating'' the negativity, or providing no real reasoning for why a critic disliked a work but still feeling the need to document "fans hate him because of it."

What should be the fate of HePannedItNowHeSucks? Is it inherently too negative to really keep as is? Does it need a narrowing down of definition? Cleanup so it goes only on the pages of reviewers and not works? Let's discuss.
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# '''@/{{JHD0919}}''': SuperTitle64Advance (OP to be drafted later)
# '''@/{{JHD0919}}''': CleavageWindow (Wick check incomplete. OP to be drafted later)

* Female character, but it's not shown in contrast with male characters: (16/53 30.19%)
* Male character: (5/53 9.43%)
* The contrast between male and female characters is shown: (3/53 5.66%)

* Male Character: (5/53 9.43%)