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** Detective Alice is very thorough and looks through all clues in detail. This is something that requires a lot of time.


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** Alice knows that her determination is insane. [[PowerBornOfMadness She is literally clinically insane]] and she accepts that [[NoPlaceForMeThere once she wins the war the reconstruction forces will put her in an asylum]]. But as long as Evulz's tyranny falls, [[WorthIt it's as a price worth paying]].


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* '''Played For Horror''': Alice is a {{Yandere}} who absolutely refuses to give up on her quest no matter what. Which leads to a lot of dead bodies, a lot of psychological trauma, and in the final confrontation the heroes start to yell "WhyWontYouDie" because she really, ''really'' won't.
* '''Plotted A Good Waste''': "''Alice''" is the titular heroine of a hit shonen anime and her determination helps her save the day. [[WellThisIsNotThatTrope But this is Jim the Otaku's story]] and trying to base his approach to a problem on sheer determination is getting him more problem than it's worth. The Aesop of this story is KnowWhenToFoldThem... or at the very least that determination ''and'' strategy are necessary, even if that strategy is [[ISurrenderSuckers to look like you're giving up]].

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* '''Reconstructed''': Alice's refusal to give up resonates with the people of Troperia, who start turning the tides against their oppressors, and the sight of her wound-covered body strikes fear into the hearts of their enemies; if these injuries can't stop Alice, what can?

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Alice's refusal to give up resonates with the people of Troperia, who start turning the tides against their oppressors, and the sight of her wound-covered body strikes fear into the hearts of their enemies; if these injuries can't stop Alice, what can? can?
** It turns out that Evulz' forces TakeNoPrisoners [[SurrenderBackfire and the guys who have tried to surrender have discovered it the hard way]]. Alice's refusal to give up may be bonkers, but it's the overall better choice.
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** Alice keeps so much of her strength in reserve to make it look like she's fighting on pure spirit.

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** Alice keeps so much of her strength in reserve to make it look like she's fighting on the pure spirit.



** Not giving up isn't a trait unique to Alice. In fact, a lot of people aren't likely to call it quits.

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** Not giving up isn't a trait unique to Alice. In fact, a A lot of people aren't likely to call it quits.



** Emperor Evulz finally kills Alice, she returns as a zombie. So Evulz destroys her body, her ghost continues to haunt him. Evulz uses his sorcery to contain her spirit in a small orb, but the orb would jump at his face whenever Evulz is nearby. He throws the orb Alice into ocean, ''but'' [[RuleOfFunny his teeth broke that evening when he accidentally bit a small orb in a cooked fish.]] Then the orb makes Evulz choke to death.
* '''Zig Zagged''': Alice gives up, but it turns out to be a trick to give the enemy a false sign of security. So they fight her again and this time, she really does seem to give up. But then it turns out to be part of another plan...

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** Emperor Evulz finally kills Alice, she returns as a zombie. So Evulz destroys her body, her ghost continues to haunt him. Evulz Evil uses his sorcery to contain her spirit in a small orb, but the orb would jump at his face whenever Evulz is nearby. He throws the orb Alice into the ocean, ''but'' [[RuleOfFunny his teeth broke that evening when he accidentally bit a small orb in a cooked fish.]] Then the orb makes Evulz choke to death.
* '''Zig Zagged''': Alice gives up, but it turns out to be a trick to give the enemy a false sign of security. So they fight her again and this time, she really does seem to give up. But then it turns out to be part of another plan...



* '''Conversed''': "Wow, character Alice just never really seems to give up! I wish I was more like her".

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* '''Conversed''': "Wow, character Alice just never really seems to give up! I wish I was more like her".



** Alice's refusal to give up takes a heavy psychological toll on her troops, who eventually leave her to fight the enemy herself. The series ends with her [[DownerEnding facing thousands of soldiers by herself, when one pulls out a gun and shoots her in the forehead]], [[InstantDeathBullet killing her instantly]].
** Alice sustains heavy injury in battle, and refuses to retreat and regroup while there's still a fight to be won. Her weakened condition quickly proves detrimental, and leads to a swift defeat for her side.
** Alice realizes that this kind of attitude, over time, becomes really, really bad for your health. Some time after the battle, Alice is forced to deal with the personal consequences, with a [[DentedIron permanently and irrevocably crippled body]].

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** Alice's refusal to give up takes a heavy psychological toll on her troops, who eventually leave leaves her to fight the enemy herself. The series ends with her [[DownerEnding facing thousands of soldiers by herself, when one pulls out a gun and shoots her in the forehead]], [[InstantDeathBullet killing her instantly]].
** Alice sustains a heavy injury in battle, battle and refuses to retreat and regroup while there's still a fight to be won. Her weakened condition quickly proves detrimental, detrimental and leads to a swift defeat for her side.
** Alice realizes that this kind of attitude, over time, becomes really, really bad for your health. Some time Sometime after the battle, Alice is forced to deal with the personal consequences, with a [[DentedIron permanently and irrevocably crippled body]].



** Alice just naturally tries hard at things that she likes. Only things she likes. Other than that she has a hard time trying hard at anything else, so it's questionable if she's really this trope.

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** Alice just naturally tries hard at things that she likes. Only things she likes. Other than that she has a hard time trying hard at anything else, so it's questionable if she's really this trope.



** Alice is a determinator not only in war, but in EVERY aspect of her life. She'd spend days not eating or sleeping just to, say, win a NintendoHard video game.
* '''Played For Drama''': Along with her soldiers, Alice charges Emperor Evulz his men, despite the enemy having overwhelming odds. She could've waited a little longer to gain more soldiers, but she didn't do so, being too determined to destroy the enemy. The men keep on fighting, until eventually, they all rout and Alice is the only one standing...

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** Alice is a determinator not only in war, war but in EVERY aspect of her life. She'd spend days not eating or sleeping just to, say, win a NintendoHard video game.
* '''Played For Drama''': Along with her soldiers, Alice charges Emperor Evulz his men, despite the enemy having overwhelming odds. She could've waited a little longer to gain more soldiers, but she didn't do so, being too determined to destroy the enemy. The men keep on fighting, fighting until eventually, they all rout and Alice is the only one standing...
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** Alice realizes that this kind of attitude, over time, becomes really, really bad for your health. Some time after the battle, Alice is forced to deal with the personal consequences, with a permanently and irrevocably crippled body.

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** Alice realizes that this kind of attitude, over time, becomes really, really bad for your health. Some time after the battle, Alice is forced to deal with the personal consequences, with a [[DentedIron permanently and irrevocably crippled body.body]].
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* '''Reconstructed''': Alice's refusal to give up resonates with the people of Troperia, who suddenly start turning the tide of their oppressors due to her inspiration. The sight of her wound-covered body also strike fear among enemy, they have no idea how to stop her if all of those injuries don't.

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* '''Reconstructed''': Alice's refusal to give up resonates with the people of Troperia, who suddenly start turning the tide of tides against their oppressors due to her inspiration. The oppressors, and the sight of her wound-covered body also strike strikes fear among enemy, they have no idea how to stop her into the hearts of their enemies; if all of those these injuries don't.can't stop Alice, what can?
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** Emperor Evulz finally kills Alice, she returns as a zombie. So Evulz destroys her body, her ghost continues to haunt him. Evulz uses his sorcery to contain her spirit in a small orb, but the orb would jump at his face whenever Evulz is nearby. He throws the orb Alice into ocean, ''but'' [[RuleOfFunny his teeth chip that evening when accidentally biting a small orb in a fish's belly.]]

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** Emperor Evulz finally kills Alice, she returns as a zombie. So Evulz destroys her body, her ghost continues to haunt him. Evulz uses his sorcery to contain her spirit in a small orb, but the orb would jump at his face whenever Evulz is nearby. He throws the orb Alice into ocean, ''but'' [[RuleOfFunny his teeth chip broke that evening when he accidentally biting bit a small orb in a fish's belly.]]cooked fish.]] Then the orb makes Evulz choke to death.
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** Alice just naturally tries hard at things that she likes. Only things she likes. Other than that she has a hard time trying hard at anything else, so it's questionable if she's really this trope.

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* '''Subverted''': Due to overwhelming odds, Alice finally surrenders after a long, drawn-out battle...

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Due to overwhelming odds, Alice finally surrenders after a long, drawn-out battle...
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** Not giving up isn't a trait unique to Alice. In fact, a lot of people aren't likely to call it quits.
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** Alice's {{Pride pride}} won't let her give up because she hates to fail.

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** Alice's {{Pride pride}} {{Pride}} won't let her give up because she hates to fail.on any task.
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** Alice's {{Pride pride}} won't let her give up because she hates to fail.
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* '''Exploited''': ???Evulz knows Alice will never give up, so he makes an endless hallway that he knows she'll run down forever trying to find the end.

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* '''Justified''': Alice keeps so much of her strength in reserve to make it look like she's fighting on pure spirit.

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Alice keeps so much of her strength in reserve to make it look like she's fighting on pure spirit.



* '''Double Subverted''': [[ISurrenderSuckers ...but it turns out her surrender was a trick to lull the other side into a false sense of security.]]

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* '''Double Subverted''': [[ISurrenderSuckers ...but But it turns out her surrender was a trick to lull the other side into a false sense of security.]]



* '''Zig Zagged''': Alice gives up, but it turns out to be a trick to give the enemy a false sign of security. So they fight her again and this time, she really does seem to give up. But then it turns out to be part of another plan...
* '''Averted''': Alice surrenders, but only after a fair amount of fighting.
* '''Enforced''': "Alice is TheHero, right? Heroes never give up!"
* '''Lampshaded''': "I never give up, even in spite of overwhelming odds!"
* '''Invoked''': A villain keeps on fighting Alice, knowing that she'll never give up - he's hoping she will fight herself to death.
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* '''Defied''': A massively powerful villain forces Alice to surrender.
* '''Discussed''': "This is the sixtieth time we're attacking Emperor Evulz. Her constant stamina is very tiring, don't you think?"
* '''Conversed''': "Wow, character Alice just never really seems to give up! I wish I was more like her".



** Alice sustains heavy injury in battle, and refuses to retreat and regroup while there's still a fight to be won. Her weakened condition quickly proves detrimental, and leads to a swift defeat for her side.

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** Alice sustains heavy injury in battle, and refuses to retreat and regroup while there's still a fight to be won. Her weakened condition quickly proves detrimental, and leads to a swift defeat for her side.



* '''Zig Zagged''': Alice gives up, but it turns out to be a trick to give the enemy a false sign of security. So they fight her again and this time, she really does seem to give up. But then it turns out to be part of another plan...
* '''Averted''': Alice surrenders, but only after a fair amount of fighting.
* '''Enforced''': "Alice is TheHero, right? Heroes never give up!"
* '''Lampshaded''': "I never give up, even in spite of overwhelming odds!"
* '''Invoked''': A villain keeps on fighting Alice, knowing that she'll never give up - he's hoping she will fight herself to death.
* '''Defied''': A massively powerful villain forces Alice to surrender.
* '''Discussed''': "This is the sixtieth time we're attacking Emperor Evulz. Her constant stamina is very tiring, don't you think?"
* '''Conversed''': "Wow, character Alice just never really seems to give up! I wish I was more like her."
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* '''Zig Zagged''': Alice gives up, but it turns out to be a trick to give the enemy a false sign of security. So they fight her again and this time, she really does seem to give up. But then it turns out to be part of another plan...
* '''Averted''': Alice surrenders, but only after a fair amount of fighting.
* '''Enforced''': "Alice is TheHero, right? Heroes never give up!"
* '''Lampshaded''': "I never give up, even in spite of overwhelming odds!"
* '''Invoked''': A villain keeps on fighting Alice, knowing that she'll never give up - he's hoping she will fight herself to death.
* '''Defied''': A massively powerful villain forces Alice to surrender.
* '''Discussed''': "This is the sixtieth time we're attacking Emperor Evulz. Her constant stamina is very tiring, don't you think?"
* '''Conversed''': "Wow, character Alice just never really seems to give up! I wish I was more like her."
* '''Played for For Laughs''':



* '''Played for Drama''': Along with her soldiers, Alice charges Emperor Evulz his men, despite the enemy having overwhelming odds. She could've waited a little longer to gain more soldiers, but she didn't do so, being too determined to destroy the enemy. The men keep on fighting, until eventually, they all rout and Alice is the only one standing...

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* '''Played for For Drama''': Along with her soldiers, Alice charges Emperor Evulz his men, despite the enemy having overwhelming odds. She could've waited a little longer to gain more soldiers, but she didn't do so, being too determined to destroy the enemy. The men keep on fighting, until eventually, they all rout and Alice is the only one standing...



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* '''Downplayed''': Alice has a reputation for determination, but she knows when to fold 'em.
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** Alice is the only one who can defeat Emperor Evulz. If she gives up, it's all over.

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* '''Parodied''': Alice states that she never gives up...while her teammates all put up white flags.

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Alice states that she never gives up...while her teammates all put up white flags.



* '''Deconstructed''': Alice's refusal to give up takes a heavy psychological toll on her troops, as they'd like to surrender and at least hope to be treated well by their captors.

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Alice's refusal to give up takes a heavy psychological toll on her troops, as they'd like to surrender and at least hope to be treated well by their captors.



* '''Played for Laughs''': Emperor Evulz sees Alice charging his men all by herself. Because of the fact he knows she'll never give up, he's afraid, although his odds are overwhelming - in fact, he can be seen shouting for his mummy.

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Emperor Evulz sees Alice charging his men all by herself. Because of the fact he knows she'll never give up, he's afraid, although his odds are overwhelming - in fact, he can be seen shouting for his mummy.



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* '''Reconstructed''': Alice's refusal to give up resonates with the people of Troperia, who suddenly start turning the tide of their oppressors due to her inspiration.

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* '''Reconstructed''': Alice's refusal to give up resonates with the people of Troperia, who suddenly start turning the tide of their oppressors due to her inspiration. The sight of her wound-covered body also strike fear among enemy, they have no idea how to stop her if all of those injuries don't.
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** Alice [[TheUnfettered will do whatever it takes to achieve her goal]], even if it means crossing the MoralEventHorizon.
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** Emperor Evulz finally kills Alice, she returns as a zombie. So Evulz destroys her body, her ghost continues to haunt him. Evulz uses his sorcery to contain her spirit in a small orb, but the orb would jump at his face whenever Evulz is nearby. He throws the orb Alice into ocean, ''but'' his teeth chip that evening when accidentally biting a small orb in a fish's belly.

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** Emperor Evulz finally kills Alice, she returns as a zombie. So Evulz destroys her body, her ghost continues to haunt him. Evulz uses his sorcery to contain her spirit in a small orb, but the orb would jump at his face whenever Evulz is nearby. He throws the orb Alice into ocean, ''but'' [[RuleOfFunny his teeth chip that evening when accidentally biting a small orb in a fish's belly.]]
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** Alice has all her limbs chopped off, while trying to fight, allowing the enemy to get past her, while she taunts them.
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Back to {{Determinator}}.

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Back I'll go back to {{Determinator}}.{{Determinator}}, even if there's a whole field of air, land and sea mines between me and that page!
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** Alice is a determinator not only in war, but in EVERY aspect of her life. She'd spend days not eating or sleeping just to, say, win a NintendoHard video game.
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** Alice sustains heavy injury in battle, and refuses to retreat and regroup while there's still a fight to be won. Her weakened condition quickly proves detrimental, and leads to a swift defeat for her side. Some time later, Alice is forced to deal with the personal consequences, with a permanently and irrevocably crippled body.
** Alice realizes that this kind of attitude, over time, becomes really, really bad for your health.

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** Alice sustains heavy injury in battle, and refuses to retreat and regroup while there's still a fight to be won. Her weakened condition quickly proves detrimental, and leads to a swift defeat for her side. Some time later, Alice is forced to deal with the personal consequences, with a permanently and irrevocably crippled body.\n
** Alice realizes that this kind of attitude, over time, becomes really, really bad for your health. Some time after the battle, Alice is forced to deal with the personal consequences, with a permanently and irrevocably crippled body.
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** Alice sustains heavy injury in battle, and refuses to retreat and regroup while there's still a fight to be won. Her weakened condition quickly proves detrimental, and leads to a swift defeat for her side. Some time later, Alice is forced to deal with the personal consequences, with a permanently and irrevocably crippled body.

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** Alice's refusal to give up takes a heavy psychological toll on her troops, who eventually leave her to fight the enemy herself. The series ends with her [[DownerEnding facing thousands of soldiers by herself, when one pulls out a gun and shoots her in the forehead]],

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** Alice's refusal to give up takes a heavy psychological toll on her troops, who eventually leave her to fight the enemy herself. The series ends with her [[DownerEnding facing thousands of soldiers by herself, when one pulls out a gun and shoots her in the forehead]],forehead]], [[InstantDeathBullet killing her instantly]].



[[InstantDeathBullet killing her instantly]].

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** Alice's refusal to give up takes a heavy psychological toll on her troops, who eventually leave her to fight the enemy herself. The series ends with her [[DownerEnding facing thousands of soldiers by herself, when one pulls out a gun and shoots her in the forehead]], [[InstantDeathBullet killing her instantly]].

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** Alice's refusal to give up takes a heavy psychological toll on her troops, who eventually leave her to fight the enemy herself. The series ends with her [[DownerEnding facing thousands of soldiers by herself, when one pulls out a gun and shoots her in the forehead]], forehead]],
** Alice realizes that this kind of attitude, over time, becomes really, really bad for your health.
[[InstantDeathBullet killing her instantly]].
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* '''Double Subverted''': [[ISurrenderSucker ...but it turns out her surrender was a trick to lull the other side into a false sense of security.]]

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* '''Double Subverted''': [[ISurrenderSucker ...[[ISurrenderSuckers ...but it turns out her surrender was a trick to lull the other side into a false sense of security.]]
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* '''Double Subverted''': ...but it turns out her surrender was a trick to lull the other side into a false sense of security.

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* '''Double Subverted''': ...Subverted''': [[ISurrenderSucker ...but it turns out her surrender was a trick to lull the other side into a false sense of security.]]

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