History MisaimedFandom / VideoGames

** ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' has a very unique situation; the third act deals with [[spoiler:the Templars of Kirkwall turning their already abusive repression of the mages up to eleven, not helped at all by their commander being bonkers by an ArtifactOfDoom or trying to cope with many horrifying abuses of blood magic and demonic possession; and the desperate, terrified renegade mages turning to terrorism and BloodMagic in response because they feel it can't be any worse than what they're already enduring, until there's open civil war in the streets, killing hundreds of innocents]]. Neither side is portrayed as wholly in the right (the old "reason does not equal justification" argument; the two groups in fact represent a minority of Kirkwall's population) but rather as two opposing WellIntentionedExtremist groups who each went completely over the edge due to a series of unforeseen, escalating problems. Never mind that the game lets you justify choosing either side while being rather difficult to go for a somewhat more neutral stance, several message boards were (and some still are) bogged down with arguments over ''which side'' was right in trying to [[KillEmAll slaughter anyone even tangentially associated with the other side]] rather than whether or not either one (or both) was maybe going too far.

** The original LeeroyJenkins [[Machinima/LeeroyJenkinsVideo video]] was, despite being a staged over-the-top reconstruction of a real event, more a parody of "nerd guilds" with their excessive and sometimes nonsensical planning[[note]]If you know anything about the Upper Blackrock Spire dungeon, listen to what the players are actually planning--it boils down to "let's aggro as many enemies as we can and try to kill them all at the same time" (also known as suicide)[[/note]] than a parody of Leeroy's player archetype.

*** When Almeidrea crosses the MoralEventHorizon in ''VideoGame/TalesOfArise'', a lot of people saw Law trying to stop Rinwell from getting her revenge (at that particular point) was ''very'' stupid. Even going to consider Law playing devil's advocate for no apparent reason, or saying he is a hypocrite because he got his revenge on Ganabelt earlier. This misses that once Law had got his revenge against Ganabelt, it [[VengeanceFeelsEmpty left him with an empty feeling]] because he felt like he had no purpose, thus he [[AndThenWhat had no idea what to do with his life]]. This fits into one of the game's themes of continuing a cycle of revenge -- especially since Niez [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized had apparently deposed Almeidrea earlier]] but had done so [[PyrrhicVictory leaving Niez trashed and killing an unknown amount of their own people]]. Admittedly, this is also a case of ValuesDissonance, as in the west, results are oft seen as more important than the means used to achieve them.

** ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' has a very unique situation; the third act deals with [[spoiler:the Templars of Kirkwall turning their already abusive repression of the mages UpToEleven, not helped at all by their commander being bonkers by an ArtifactOfDoom or trying to cope with many horrifying abuses of blood magic and demonic possession; and the desperate, terrified renegade mages turning to terrorism and BloodMagic in response because they feel it can't be any worse than what they're already enduring, until there's open civil war in the streets, killing hundreds of innocents]]. Neither side is portrayed as wholly in the right (the old "reason does not equal justification" argument; the two groups in fact represent a minority of Kirkwall's population) but rather as two opposing WellIntentionedExtremist groups who each went completely over the edge due to a series of unforeseen, escalating problems. Never mind that the game lets you justify choosing either side while being rather difficult to go for a somewhat more neutral stance, several message boards were (and some still are) bogged down with arguments over ''which side'' was right in trying to [[KillEmAll slaughter anyone even tangentially associated with the other side]] rather than whether or not either one (or both) was maybe going too far.

* Chihiro Fujisaki of ''Franchise/{{Danganronpa}}'' is a [[spoiler: boy]] who was relentlessly bullied for [[spoiler: his physical weakness and feminine appearance]] and resorted to [[spoiler: crossdressing]] and pretending to be a [[spoiler: girl]] in order to escape it. Chihiro hates it, and Chihiro's sole motivation in life is to be strong so that he can go back to [[spoiler: living as a boy]] without getting bullied again. In the bonus School Mode, Chihiro says outright that [[spoiler: he's a guy]]. However, a subset of fans insist [[spoiler: he's actually a trans girl]] and will jump down the throat of anyone who [[spoiler: "misgenders" him]] by [[spoiler: calling him a boy]]; the exact opposite of what Chihiro would want.

* Chihiro Fujisaki of ''Franchise/{{Danganronpa}}'' is a boy who was relentlessly bullied for his physical weakness and feminine appearance and resorted to crossdressing and pretending to be a girl in order to escape it. He hates it, and his sole motivation in life is to be strong so that he can go back to living as a boy without getting bullied again. In the bonus School Mode, he says outright that he's a guy. However, a subset of fans insist he's actually a trans girl and will jump down the throat of anyone who "misgenders" him by calling him a boy; the exact opposite of what he would want.

* Even though ''VideoGame/{{Yakuza}}'' is incredibly cartoonish and wacky ([[SarcasmMode "Yakuza is a serious crime drama"]] is a {{meme|ticMutation}} in the fandom for a reason), it does have serious moments as well -- and it does ''not'' romanticize [[{{Yakuza}} the Yakuza]] at ''all''. Anyone who gets involved with the Yakuza pretty clearly gets their lives messed up. This still doesn't stop some people from assuming that the Yakuza are actually the good guys and have a sense of morals to them -- this is similar to a lot of how Mafia and "Organised Crime" movies make gangs, TheMafia, et cetera look great.

* Tom Nook in ''VideoGame/AnimalCrossing'' is a kind raccoon who, despite charging the player a ton of money to buy and upgrade their house, lets them take as much time as they need to pay the loan back with zero interest. In the fandom, Tom Nook is portrayed an evil and greedy LoanShark that acts no better than a MorallyBankruptBanker or a mobster that will kill you at the drop of a hat. While most of these comparisons are clearly meant to be jokes, some fans took it at face value, and others [[DiscreditedMeme ran the joke into the ground]]. Tom Nook is shown [[HappilyAdopted raising his two kids that are not his]], wanting to reward people for their hard work, having a history with Sable, and [[KnightInSourArmor having a troubled past that destroyed his idealism]]. But some fans still see Tom Nook as someone out to make the player character miserable with debts instead of cutting them a break. It also didn't help that in ''VideoGame/AnimalCrossingHappyHomeDesigner'', the developers knew of the jokes and fan interpretations where they basically had Tom Nook say "[[ThenLetMeBeEvil Let people paint me as the boogeyman]] as long as people learn that debts must be paid!" It wasn't until ''VideoGame/AnimalCrossingNewHorizons'' where Tom Nook became more kind and optimistic, which caused most people who held the "Tom Nook is evil" stance to finally back off.

** ''VideoGame/BioShockInfinite'' is a heavy {{deconstruction}}[=/=]TakeThat aimed at jingoistic UsefulNotes/ManifestDestiny ideology. This included [[https://girlslikegiants.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/gw-foreign-hordes.jpg an extraordinarily racist in-universe propaganda poster]], which features UsefulNotes/GeorgeWashington holding up a liberty bell to ward off racist caricatures of basically everyone in the world that isn't a WhiteAngloSaxonProtestant, with the caption "For God and Country, It Is Our Holy Duty to Guard Against the Foreign Hordes". This was intended to be over-the-top jingoism, but a Tea Party group [[http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/12/16/tea-party-group-unironically-utilizes-bioshock-infinite-propaganda/#760d38236eba missed the satire]] and unironically shared the poster on their Facebook page. It's also popped up in use among white nationalists and neo-Nazis.

** ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' has a very unique situation; the third act deals with [[spoiler:the Templars of Kirkwall turning their already abusive repression of the mages UpToEleven, not helped at all by their commander being bonkers by an ArtifactOfDoom or trying to cope with many horrifying abuses of blood magic and demonic possession; and the desperate, terrified renegade mages turning to terrorism and BloodMagic in response because they feel it can't be any worse than what they're already enduring, until there's literally open civil war in the streets, killing hundreds of innocents]]. Neither side is portrayed as wholly in the right (the old "reason does not equal justification" argument; the two groups in fact represent a minority of Kirkwall's population) but rather as two opposing WellIntentionedExtremist groups who each went completely over the edge due to a series of unforeseen, escalating problems. Never mind that the game lets you justify choosing either side while being rather difficult to go for a somewhat more neutral stance, several message boards were (and some still are) bogged down with arguments over ''which side'' was right in trying to [[KillEmAll slaughter anyone even tangentially associated with the other side]] rather than whether or not either one (or both) was maybe going too far.

*** There seem to be a lot of people who don't understand that the civil war plotline is supposed to be a case of GrayAndGreyMorality where ''each'' side has its flaws and its strengths, and that neither is supposed to be the "good guys" ''or'' the "bad guys". Depending on who you ask, either the Empire is a noble but misunderstood power that is only accepting the Thalmor's demands out of necessity and their control of Skyrim is necessary to maintain stability (when they basically banned the worship of the most important Nord god ''and'' the deified form of their own founder because they didn't want to keep fighting) while the Stormcloaks are a bunch of racist barbarians led by a power-hungry tyrant who only wants Skyrim for himself (when Ulfric has good reason to be offended by the treatment of the Nordic culture and wants Skyrim to be governed by his own people, not to mention the fact that he regrets the fact that he has to fight a war and expresses remorse for his enemies), or the Stormcloaks are justified freedom fighters nobly defending their rightful land against foreign oppression (when they do indeed tend to be xenophobic, and outright racist against dark elves), while the Empire is a ruthless totalitarian regime that wants to crush the civilisations of its conquered territories (when they're only banning the worship of Talos as a diplomatic move that not even they are entirely approving of, and when a more stable unified empire could potentially be safer in the face of another war with the elves.) Of course, the reality of the situation is that neither side is strictly right or strictly wrong, and the Thalmor are deliberately playing both sides against each other to weaken the Empire further.\\

*** The Stormcloaks, a bunch of Nord separatists, suffer from an in-universe version of this. The Nords of Skyrim are a deceptively civilised people, with an epic history, a [[WarriorPoet longstanding bardic and poet tradition]], a complex honour system and even some historical affinity for magic (the "clever craft"). You wouldn't know from the Stormcloaks, who push solely the BarbarianHero[=/=]ProudWarriorRaceGuy aspect of Nordic culture in their push for Skyrim's independence. Arguably a {{Deconstruction}} of HornyVikings.

*** The Legion has a huge following within the fandom despite being a group of enslaving, possibly homophobic, misogynistic, raping, pillaging thugs. Vulpes and Caesar, to a lesser extent, are some of the most popular characters in the fandom. It's not uncommon to see players' female couriers as part of the Legion either, even though it's made clear that women have no part in the Legion other than as slaves. Although many players do that because watching Legion members insult you at every opportunity, yet coming to you for help AND REWARDING YOU is hilarious in its own way, as well as surreptitiously subverting part of what the Legion stands for in the first place.

*** Similar to the case for ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' [[UpToEleven taken to the extreme]], even more frightening are the people who claim that the Brotherhood is the best choice for the Commonwealth in ''Fallout 4''. They're pretty much a [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything fanatic, isolationist, autocratic cult of personality]] with access to the most raw firepower of any faction. Despite their position in the Capital Wasteland only 10 years earlier, Maxson's Brotherhood of Steel seems to be more interested in killing all Ghouls, Super Mutants, and Synths over helping the people of the Commonwealth. Granted, neither the Railroad nor the Institute helps the Commonwealth as a whole, but they don't really claim to.

*** Sephiroth is a megalomaniacal monster who spends most of the game on a murderous killing spree (including [[ItWasHisSled famously]] and brutally slaying a [[PlotlineDeath beloved main character]]), pausing only to mock and psychologically manipulate Cloud. Because he does it with such style and is such a badass PrettyBoy, fans have turned him into a DracoInLeatherPants. In the original game, Sephiroth was fairly a decent person (if aloof and a bit cold) during the Nibelheim flashback, which was set before he goes insane. This portrayal was retained in prequels; naturally, this just adds fuel to the MisaimedFandom.

** Fans who complain about the Squall and Rinoa romance of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII'', saying that he should have got with [[TeacherStudentRomance Quistis]] when she offered the opportunity simply because she's MsFanservice. Quistis's advances towards Squall were based entirely on her hopes of obtaining emotional support from a guy who's even more messed up than she is. As Squall points out, [[TeacherStudentRomance she's his teacher]], and it would be grossly unprofessional and unethical of her to romantically pursue him. Not to mention that it's later implied that their relationship would be akin to BrotherSisterIncest. Technically, [[LikeBrotherAndSister they aren't]], so this hasn't stopped some fans from pairing them.

*** Jecht is beloved by the fandom and seen as a RatedMForManly character, to the point where many fans of him often criticize Tidus for being "whiny". There are some who also argue that while Jecht was flawed, the fact Tidus turned out okay means he wasn't ''that'' bad of a father. The game very clearly paints Jecht as a shitty father, and he later realizes how much of a mistake he was, as he wanted to invoke ToughLove but his flaws made him instead an abusive person. Several of his Sphere's left behind show that over his journey with Braska, he sobers up and wants to make amends but the fact he can't return home to do so makes him feel even worse about it, and in the finale when he gets to see Tidus again, he accepts Tidus' anger towards him and owns up to his mistakes. The fact Tidus turned out as well as he did doesn't prove Jecht was a good father either, instead it was in-spite of Jecht that Tidus grew up as a good person, as Jecht was gone for a good amount of his life. Despite this, many of Jecht's fans often ignore that and focus on how "cool" he is, which isn't helped by games like ''VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy'' making him out to be a badass and don't really show him having the same development as he did back in ''X''. (Again, the fact that several of the characters in ''Dissidia'' are missing at least some of their memories and thus subjected to some degree of {{Flanderization}} partially accounts for this. Much like Cecil above, the arcade reboot/''NT'' depicts Jecht as he appears at the end of ''X'' and he has a much healthier relationship with his son whenever they do interact.)
** Lightning of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII'' and her large fanbase just shows how gamers tend to have really bad role models. Gamers tend to love Lightning for her tough, take-no-prisoners attitude and her tendency to punch people who piss her off. They seem to have missed the part where treating everyone around her as incompetent and/or worthless and berating even her sister for "lying" about turning into a l'Cie (something that no sane person would ever lie about) is not good for her or anyone else. Also, punching people doesn't fix anything and doesn't even make her feel that much better, which is why she gets CharacterDevelopment to ''be a better friend''. (And no, that doesn't mean she's not tough anymore.)

*** There are parts of the fandom that insist the Church of Seiros is homophobic, for no other reason than its vague inspiration to the Catholic Church, which is through the eyes of a [[ValuesDissonance Japanese game developer]]. Not only is there nothing to suggest this in-universe, the ''archbishop'' [[spoiler:and ''founder'' of the church itself]] is a [[GayOption Bi Option]]. Compounding it further, Mercedes, one of the most devout characters in the game is also a Bi Option. Marianne comes at a close second when it comes to piety, and though she's not a bi option, she ''does'' have a bit of [[ShipTease subtext]] with her friend Hilda. Even [[TheTease Yuri]] is shown to have some faith and he's flirting with a [[PlayerCharacter Byleth]] of either gender right out of the gate. Hell, the [[spoiler:''Goddess herself'']] is a Bi Option. In each of these cases the issues of two women or two men getting together in a romantic relationship isn't even considered an issue, just two people coming together. Yet there's a troubling percentage of the fandom insisting the Church is homophobic.
* Similar to [[ComicBook/{{Watchmen}} Rorschach]] and [[Film/FightClub Tyler Durden]], some fans of ''VideoGame/GodOfWar'' need to be frequently reminded that the world does '''not''' need men like Kratos. Or heck, that the world doesn't need '''''anyone''''' like Kratos. True, he does mellow out by [[VideoGame/GodOfWarPS4 the PS4 game]] into something more admirable, but even then fans take it as that he ''needed'' to do all the crap he pulled in the preceding games in order to reach this state.

* Dr. Breen in ''VideoGame/HalfLife2'' has his fans who think he did the right thing by assuring the survival of humanity by surrendering, except there are hints that he staged the entire Resonance Cascade for personal gain, and he is the one who insisted on the highly specific test requirements. Some of his comments as you [[spoiler: climb up the Citadel]] are [[HannibalLecture actually quite reasonable]], so it is easy to see how this gets started. [[spoiler:Of course, this is discounting how he's a borderline CardCarryingVillain who mind controls the populace with tainted water and by all accounts is still playing the fate of humanity for his own personal stake in the Combine empire]].
* Part of the point of ''VideoGame/IWannaBeTheGuy'' is to parody PlatformHell games and remind us that the good old days weren't so good in that its challenges could just as easily become cheap shots and unfair moves from the old arcades that did it to make you shove quarters down the slot. But some people loved it for being such a challenge and even made more games like it.

** At least part of the problem is that most of Cerberous' on-screen villainy before the third game comes from side missions in the first game that you have to go somewhat out of your way to even ''find'', much less complete, and from the tie-in novels. Not to mention as well that the first game [[SequelDisplacement was much less successful than the second]].

** In Kasumi's loyalty mission, a gold statue of Saren is actually seen as a desireable gift amongst the idle rich. Of course it ''is'' a party for crime lords and war profiteers -- exactly the sort of people who'd have no problem with Saren's worser instincts. Shepard for their part is clearly not pleased by the sight of it.
* ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' is about a blonde-haired blue-eyed hero fighting a monster from a Middle Eastern culture with a big nose. Guess [[ThoseWackyNazis who]] happens to fascinated with it.
** The irony of this is that the entire series glorifies numerous different races and groups who all come together and aid Link in the fight against evil including Goron's, Zora, and even Gerudo themselves just to name a few. In fact, the Gerudo are often referred to as incredibly beautiful, skilled, and intelligent, with their only consistent flaw being xenophobia brought on by their dislike of men. More than once the Gerudo have been helpful, and in ''Videogame/TheLegendOfZeldaBreathOfTheWild'', the character Urbosa is treated as an exceptionally skilled warrior ''and'' mother-figure/older sister in the life of Princess Zelda. The only member of the group that is out-and-out evil is Ganondorf himself.

* While [[{{Goth}} Goth Boy]] for the ''VideoGame/MySims'' series has [[EnsembleDarkhorse many fans]], a few fans believe the creators got the goth subculture wrong. Except, if anything, Goth Boy is supposed to be an AffectionateParody. The game has many Spooky Sims, each having their own unique personalities, so saying they got it wrong with just one character isn't fair. Plus the subculture is pretty chill and doesn't have too many requirements, [[AccidentallyCorrectWriting so the games actually got it]] ''[[AccidentallyCorrectWriting right]]''. Also, a lot of the same people gave us [[VideoGame/TheSims the Goth Family]]

* ''VideoGame/NickelodeonAllStarBrawl'' was basically Nickelodeon making a PlatformFighter crossover in the veins similar to ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros''. They wanted specifically to acknowledge Nickelodeon throughout history - which includes the present day and TheNewTens. However many people have complained that the game was including characters like [[WesternAnimation/TheLoudHouse Lincoln Loud]] or the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (Which weren't associated with Nickelodeon by many of the PeripheryDemographic of [[TheNineties 90s kids]]) and somehow [[MisBlamed saying they were responsible]] for characters like [[WesternAnimation/RockosModernLife Rocko]] or [[WesternAnimation/{{Doug}} Doug Funnie]] not being there. Nickelodeon actually ''does'' in fact have a modern audience, despite what many people would claim, and thus including references to other shows that are either currently running or more recent is a good way to appeal to them - it wasn't specifically done as a game catering to [[TheNineties 90s nostalgia]].

** [[spoiler:Tohru Adachi]], a serial-killing, [[StrawMisogynist misogynistic]], [[ItsAllAboutMe egocentric]] "[[spoiler:police dick]]" ([[VideoGame/Persona4ArenaUltimax no, seriously, that's a canon title]]) whose attitude towards women is basically summed up in his fandom-popular phrase from ''Persona 4'' ([[BeamMeUpScotty which he never actually said in that game]]), "bitches and whores". For some reason though, there's a vast majority of the fanbase who actually considers him "not that bad." Never mind the fact that he's completely sexist, he's also a complete psychopath, who cannot be described in any other way than "fucked in the head." Of course, this isn't helped by the fact there's an ending in the game where [[spoiler:the player character can pick to act as Adachi's accomplice]]. Again, ''this ending wasn't supposed to feel rewarding''. It's specially designed to be a "you're a screwed up person" ending. The writers explicitly stated numerous times that the entire idea of [[spoiler:Adachi]] was to [[HateSink design someone the player would end up loathing]], who could be considered without any real question or debate as being a "bad guy", who everyone and their dog wouldn't like by the end of the game, especially to be in contrast with ''Persona 3'', where some of the real villains have some arguably good intentions. [[spoiler:Adachi]], however, was designed to be completely evil, with next to no real redeeming factors left by the end of the game. ''VideoGame/Persona4ArenaUltimax'', however, softens up on him a bit, [[spoiler:making him willing to go out of his way to make sure he actually faces justice for his crimes and that the case isn't just thrown out because of some completely unrelated supernatural shenanigans, and ending with him beginning to come around to the Investigation Team's way of thinking]].

** Taking the argument to the other extreme, some of the fans think that the "take your heart" treatment is the be-all end-all for any corrupt criminal. The Phantom Thieves start questioning how legitimate this is of an answer in-universe when they see [[spoiler:taking their targets' hearts only made them miserable {{Empty Shell}}s instead of working towards internal reform]], and several major targets are shown coming to the HeelRealization on their own without any need to take their hearts, underlining the major theme of change starting from within. [[spoiler:The bad ending emphasizes this by having the Thieves decide to police everyone in Tokyo through their abilities because they can't trust the populace to reform on their own.]] ''VideoGame/Persona5Strikers'' even lacks the heart-stealing aspect of its major antagonists for this reason. Yet despite these risks, and even in some cases ''because'' of them (better they be [[spoiler:spiritually lobotomized and eternally guilt-ridden]] than corrupt and unchecked), and because it looks [[DoNotDoThisCoolThing impossibly cool]] when they do it, fans want the Phantom Thieves to keep up their thievery.

* ''VideoGame/ProgressQuest'' was meant to be a satire of level grinding skinner boxes in [=MMORPGs=] by taking the concept to its logical conclusion, a game that literally plays itself with no input from the player. The idea was that when stripped of the graphics and the illusion of choice, the core experience of these games would be incredibly boring. Years later, [[IdleGame games that play themselves became a a real, completely unironic genre]]. [[BribingYourWayToVictory Many of them are even monetized]].

** [[VideoGame/KidIcarusUprising Dark Pit]] is both liked and disliked for a myriad of reasons, but they all surround him basically being a DarkerAndEdgier version of Pit. But whether the character is derided or loved for it, most aren't aware that (in the context of his game) he's a ''parody'' of "dark counterpart to hero" characters, which is why he has such an uninspired name. He picks fights with Pit for no real reason, is constantly made fun of for his uncaring attitude, and it's made abundantly clear he's as much as a dork as Pit is despite supposedly being a "dark" version of Pit, if not more so for trying so hard to act like he's better than Pit is. Of course, ''Smash'' makes no attempt to illustrate this, being a fighting game where characters spend more time jumping around than talking.
** ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBrosUltimate'' introduced Echo Fighters, a new designation for MovesetClone characters (for example, Dark Pit is lumped together with Pit instead of getting his own unique slot in the roster). While this helped [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap popularize several Clone characters]], it also lead to people fantasizing about potential new Echo Fighters with significantly different movesets from their base character, missing the point of Echo Fighters being deliberately similar to pre-existing fighters. It doesn't help that the game is sometimes inconsistent in what makes an Echo Fighter: Toon Link isn't an Echo of Young Link and Wolf and Falco are not Echoes of Fox (even though Dark Pit and Lucina prove that returning fighters can get "demoted" to Echo Fighter status), but Ken is considered an Echo of Ryu despite having many significant differences.

** Some people criticize the games for being "cliché" and play a lot of the tropes absolutely straight. While the ClicheStorm trope may not be too far from the truth of a few games, part of the reason that the games have a fanbase is that even from the start, the ''Tales'' series has been known as a DeconstructorFleet -- starting almost every game as an absolute ClicheStorm, and then starting to turn around deconstructing all the cliches that they just played totally straight.
** For ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss'', there's quite a sizable amount of people that got turned away from the game for having an unlikable protagonist in Luke. The problem here is that [[IntendedAudienceReaction you're not supposed to like him]] at first. He's a brat, and the game spares no expense in letting you know it, and also showing how much he irks the other characters. Then comes the WhamEpisode -- wherein it's revealed that he is ''actually'' [[YoungerThanTheyLook seven years old]] due to CloningBlues. After that? He goes through CharacterDevelopment at a turning point where almost nobody in the game has any sort of sympathy left for him and resolves to become a better person, losing basically every one of his traits that many players found bothersome. Of course, it's hard to know if a certain character is static or dynamic at first glance, so many players end up missing out on this, and even if you did know, you still have to put up with an intolerable character for some hours.\\\

*** The "Yuri is evil" crowd. Yuri would have loved nothing more than for Flynn's methods to work, and he's clearly shown trying to let the system do its job. The result? A sadistic high up aristocrat who partakes in recreational torture and murder promptly gets let off with a slap on the wrist, since the ones who were judging him had no desire to lock up and/or execute one of their own. The implications were that he would basically be back to where he was before eventually, except maybe a little more in the background. If Yuri had let him go, he might have done so on the heads of innocent civilians. Likewise with his later kill, where it ''would'' have been on the heads of innocent civilians if he hadn't done what he did. In that government, the law was truly the tool of those that held power, and those that held power weren't the nicest people. Yuri was anything but evil, or in the wrong.

** The game has the Genocide path where in order to see the bad ending, you have to spare not a single soul and slaughter as many mooks as possible while killing every single boss monster as well. By going on this path, you encounter two extremely difficult fights that [[SNKBoss are almost unfair to go against]] and the bad ending has [[spoiler: the entire world destroyed, leaving behind a black void]]. Even if you opt to go for a reset and try to make everything better again by going for the GoldenEnding, said ending is corrupted due to your actions from the bad ending and it follows you no matter how many times you reset (unless you fiddle with the game's files to override it). Many players who had done the Genocide path in their first playthrough or later complain how unrewarding the bad ending path is due to the difficult bosses and how one shouldn't be punished for simply getting the bad ending. The point behind the bad ending and future playthroughs being tainted is to show the player that treating the game nothing more than just a game and thinking they can be above consequences while they toy with the characters in the game will bite them in the ass no matter much they think they're above it all. The whole idea is that you shouldn't be rewarded for being a bad person and the trials for being fully evil will be just as difficult as being completely good. [[spoiler:Chara/The Fallen Child at the end of the Genocide run is basically the desires of the player incarnate where they want more power, get stronger, and move on to the next game once they've done everything in the current game. And even then, should you complete a second Genocide Run, Chara will express that they no longer understand what you gain from doing all this.]]

* Inverted in the 2005 Rockstar video game adaptation of ''VideoGame/TheWarriors''. The game's depiction (which, naturally, takes many of its cues from the similar ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAuto'') is arguably a more accurate rendering of Sol Yurick's original characters than the [[AdaptationDisplacement popular 1979 film based on the novel]] on which the game is ostensibly more directly based. Whereas in the movie the young hoodlums (except, of course, for Ajax, and even he is up to debate) come off at worst as misguided, put-upon orphans, and at best as [[LoveableRogue Loveable Rogues]], in the game, these same characters truly are criminals: [[PragmaticVillainy ruthlessly pragmatic]], frighteningly power-hungry, and have no qualms about mugging the innocent and outright [[AssholeVictim murdering the guilty]]. (The game ''does'' conclude pretty much the same way the movie does, though, so maybe this is a straight example after all.)

*** Sora is popular among fans for being an elf who doesn't buy into "elvish traditions" and "elven glory". The same fans also want to play a city elf who likes humans. This ignores that Sora is ''not'' a typical city elf, but a BoomerangBigot who rejects ''all'' aspects of elven culture, ancient empires and aravels and alienages, in equal measure, and that much of her InternalizedCategorism comes from her interactions with humans. It also ignores that most city elves are just as gung-ho about elven traditions as the Dalish, but have less space to act them out due to living in closer proximity to human power.

** When Almeidrea crosses the MoralEventHorizon in ''VideoGame/TalesOfArise'', a lot of people saw Law trying to stop Rinwell from getting her revenge (at that particular point) was ''very'' stupid. Even going to consider Law playing devil's advocate for no apparent reason, or saying he is a hypocrite because he got his revenge on Ganabelt earlier. This misses that once Law had got his revenge against Ganabelt, it [[VengeanceFeelsEmpty left him with an empty feeling]] because he felt like he had no purpose, thus he [[AndThenWhat had no idea what to do with his life]]. This fits into one of the game's themes of continuing a cycle of revenge -- especially since Niez [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized had apparently deposed Almeidrea earlier]] but had done so [[PyrrhicVictory leaving Niez trashed and killing an unknown amount of their own people]]. Admittedly, this is also a case of ValuesDissonance, as in the west, results are oft seen as more important than the means used to achieve them.

*** This works in reverse as well, as many of [[BaseBreakingCharacter Tharja's detractors]] will attack her for [[spoiler:what her BadFuture counterpart does]] as opposed to her canonical faults. This is ignoring the fact that[[spoiler:, [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong due to the nature of the game]], the present-day incarnations of the second generation's parents are oftentimes quite different from the people their kids knew (with Future!Tharja in particular having crossed the DespairEventHorizon [[LoveMakesYouCrazy due to]] [[VengefulWidow the death of]] [[MortalityChain her husband]]), and the children get to see their parents' flaws up close and personal as opposed to the more idealized versions they're familiar with from their time]]. Several of the child units who have strained relationships with their parents [[ParentsAsPeople realize this]] and recognize they're being unfair for [[PsychologicalProjection projecting]]. Notably, while Tharja eventually decides not to instruct Noire on how to hex people [[spoiler:much like her future self]], she ''never'' uses Noire as a guinea pig for hexing experiments either, and while Noire does decide to hang out and keep an eye on her mother if she's unmarried by the epilogue (so that [[spoiler:she can ensure Tharja never hexes her baby counterpart in the present]]), she comes out of their interactions with [[RebuiltPedestal a much better outlook on her mother]].

* From ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2'' onward, some have interpreted [[OverarchingVillain Eggman's]] admiration for his late grandfather Gerald as the core reason why he decided to TakeOverTheWorld -- the idea being that Eggman wants to avenge Gerald's legacy and retaliate towards humanity for betraying and executing him despite how much Gerald did for them, and him [[BrokenPedestal losing respect for his grandfather]] once learning that [[spoiler:he posthumously attempted to ''destroy'' the world after going insane]] has also led some to even believe that [[DracoInLeatherPants he truly has some good in his evil heart deep down.]] However, the game also has him mostly be interested in his grandfather's ''work'' and the potential to use it for ''his'' own purposes, has him repeatedly preach about how ''he's'' going to start a legacy of being the world's greatest mind and ruler of all time without any reference to Gerald, typically references Gerald as his grandfather whenever it feeds ''his'' ego, and it's most likely that his admiration for Gerald is exclusively regarding his prowess ''as a fellow genius scientist'' as opposed to anything humanitarian or familial (as Eggman would probably be aware that a Gerald of sound mind would ''not'' approve of what he does to further his goals), with his own [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatism]] or [[EvilVersusOblivion logic]] likely being why he lost respect for his grandfather. For most of [[Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog the franchise's]] history before ''and'' after this game, it's all but stated that his main reason for wanting to rule the world [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans no matter what happens to it]] is to [[ItsAllAboutMe continue to feed his ego]] and [[InTheirOwnImage improve it in whatever way he sees fit]].

** Andrew Ryan of ''VideoGame/BioShock1'' is seen by some fans as an Objectivist visionary who could do no wrong. No matter what your politics are, you'd still have to ignore the fact that he [[CorruptCorporateExecutive went off]] [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans the deep end]] and started murdering anyone who looked at him funny out of paranoia. Just ten seconds in Rapture during the game of the first game will show that Ryan's philosophy didn't work; even then, he backed off of his ideals and became a massive {{hypocrite}} in the name of clinging onto power.

* In ''VideoGame/CallOfDutyBlackOpsII'', villain Raul Menendez has more than his fair share of fans. In-game, he's billed as the "hero of the 99%", and has inspired millions to follow his ideals. His exploits throughout the game have made part of the fanbase believe Menendez is a cross between CrazyIsCool and a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds. Yet, he's still responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent people prior to the events of the game (including significant characters from the prequel), and is more than willing to destroy the United States just to avenge the deaths of two people. Menendez is engaging in DisproportionateRetribution at its finest, and yet there are some people who consider him a hero.

** For ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss'' there's quite a sizable amount of people that got turned away from the game for having an unlikable protagonist in Luke. The problem here is that [[IntendedAudienceReaction you're not supposed to like him]] at first. He's a brat, and the game spares no expense in letting you know it, and also showing how much he irks the other characters. Then comes the WhamEpisode -- wherein it's revealed that he is ''actually'' [[YoungerThanTheyLook seven years old]] due to CloningBlues. After that? He goes through character development at a turning point where almost nobody in the game has any sort of sympathy left for him and resolves to become a better person, losing basically every one of his traits that many players found bothersome. Of course, it's hard to know if a certain character is static or dynamic at first glance, so many players end up missing out on this, and even if you did know, you still have to put up with an intolerable character for some hours.\\\

** ''VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia'': Due to the games themes of debating justice and vigilantism, its not hard to find people who misunderstand both Yuri and Flynn's points about the subject.
*** The "Yuri is evil" crowd. Yuri would have loved nothing more than for Flynn's methods to work, and he's clearly shown trying to let the system do its job. The result? A sadistic high up aristocrat who partakes in recreational torture and murder promptly gets let off with a slap on the wrist, since the ones who were judging him had no desire to lock up and/or execute one of their own. The implications were that he would basically be back to where he was before eventually, except maybe a little more in the background. If Yuri had let him go, he might have done so on the heads of innocent civilians. Likewise with his later kill, where it WOULD have been on the heads of innocent civilians if he hadn't done what he did. In that government, the law was truly the tool of those that held power, and those that held power weren't the nicest people. Yuri was anything but evil, or in the wrong.
*** The "Flynn is wrong" crowd. Flynn understands how important it is for justice to be delivered, much of the drama of his character is him wanting to do whats right, but being hamstrung by the law and being unable to help. A good amount of fans use this to say Flynn is wrong and needs to act outside the law, something Yuri very clearly tells Flynn '''not''' to do, because Flynn is too much of a good person to handle that kind of responsibility and that Flynn is right to hope to change the Empire. The laws are screwed up, but Yuri recognizes how important it is for Flynn to stay a knight so he can make things better through hard work and that if he did take justice into his own hands, [[HeWhoFightsMonsters he'd lose sight of himself]]. The game also has a side quest where a vigilantly not too different from Yuri is exacting his revenge on people, and takes it too far, with the party calling him out for his actions. Furthermore, Yuri points out that his own actions are hypocritical but its only because Flynn is able to help him and [[MoralityChain keep him grounded]]. Like with Yuri, Flynn has every reason to believe the law can be improved and his beliefs are as valid and worth pursing as Yuri.
** ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'': Theres a large number of players who see [[AntiHero Velvet]] as an unstoppable and edgy protagonist along the same lines as [[Manga/{{Berserk}} Guts]]. While Velvet ''is'' these things, like Guts, you aren't supposed to see her a RatedMForManly AntiHero, she's really a young woman broken by how much she's lost, and is so fueled by hate that she is on her way to becoming both a monster, and the thing that took her loved ones away from her. Later in the game, she breaks down into tears about how much [[IJustWantToBeNormal she just wants to be normal]] and misses her family. Despite this, she's commonly depicted by the community as essentially Female Guts.
** When Almeidrea crosses the MoralEventHorizon in ''VideoGame/TalesOfArise'', a lot of people saw Law trying to stop Rinwell from getting her revenge (at that particular point) was ''very'' stupid. Even going to consider Law playing devil's advocate for no apparent reason, or saying he is a hypocrite because he got his revenge on Ganabelt earlier. This misses that once Law had got his revenge against Ganabelt, it [[VengeanceFeelsEmpty left him with an empty feeling]] because he felt like he had no purpose, thus he [[AndThenWhat had no idea what to do with his life]]. This fits into one of the game's themes of continuing a cycle of revenge - especially since Niez [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized had apparently deposed Almeidrea earlier]] but had done so [[PyrrhicVictory leaving Niez trashed and killing an unknown amount of their own people]]. Admmittedly, this is also a case of ValuesDissonance, as in the west, results are oft seen as more important than the means used to achieve them.

** The original LeeroyJenkins video was, despite being a staged over-the-top reconstruction of a real event, more a parody of "nerd guilds" with their excessive and sometimes nonsensical planning[[note]]If you know anything about the Upper Blackrock Spire dungeon, listen to what the players are actually planning--it boils down to "let's aggro as many enemies as we can and try to kill them all at the same time" (also known as suicide)[[/note]] than a parody of Leeroy's player archetype.

* Certains fans of ''VideoGame/MetalGear'' seem to think that the premise is "Solid Snake jumps in, kicks ass and chews bubblegum" despite that the series is a deconstruction of the typical action hero.

** Creator/HideoKojima was in fact so appalled by fans misinterpreting Solid Snake as a character that a large part of ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty'' is dedicated to attacking fans who played the first ''MGS'' as a power fantasy. [[EpicFail It went so badly]] that the backlash to the above attack spawned a ''new'' series of ''Metal Gear'' games, with ''[=MGS2=]'' being one of the most critically acclaimed games of 2001.

* ''{{Franchise/Pokemon}}'':

** [[VideoGame/PokemonXAndY]] gives us an in-universe example in Team Flare. Their boss charges a 50,000,000 Pokedollar membership fee, which, in theory, represents a tangible commitment to creating/maintaining a truly beautiful world. In practice, however, Team Flare grunts treat their membership as not much more than a status symbol, and in fact consider themselves superior to everyone else just for being part of Team Flare - a rather selfish viewpoint of an apparent symbol of altruism.

** One portion of the Western fandom believes that the game should have offered an option to [[VigilanteExecution execute]] the targets. This goes in complete contrast to their modus operandi to be Phantom ''Thieves'' of ''Hearts'', meaning they steal the heart of their target and force them to admit and atone for their sins, and that them killing any target would turn them into assassins and into nothing better than the role TheDragon has in the game. They completely ignore the fact that Ann was close to killing Kamoshida's Shadow, but when his Shadow actually offered her to kill him, she chose to not go through with it. She wanted Kamoshida to admit his crimes in person, and having him [[AFateWorseThanDeath live with his heroic reputation as an Olympic gold medalist ruined]], and everyone know what a horrible person he really is. And given the thieves' reactions to [[spoiler:Okumura dying because his Shadow was killed]], it's clear that this is not the result they would've wanted to begin with.

** ''Persona 5 Strikers'' has another InUniverse example. [[spoiler:Akane Hasegawa]] becomes a big fan of the Phantom Thieves, believing them as promoting [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity all rebels as heroes and all authority figures as villains.]] While it's true that the thieves' rebellion helped a lot of people and they targeted horrible people in power, they only went after specific targets, who themselves were rebelling against what was considered right.

* From ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2'' onward, some have interpreted [[OverarchingVillain Eggman's]] admiration for his late grandfather Gerald as the core reason why he decided to TakeOverTheWorld-- the idea being that Eggman wants to avenge Gerald's legacy and retaliate towards humanity for betraying and executing him despite how much Gerald did for them, and him [[BrokenPedestal losing respect for his grandfather]] once learning that [[spoiler:he posthumously attempted to ''destroy'' the world after going insane]] has also led some to even believe that [[DracoInLeatherPants he truly has some good in his evil heart deep down.]] However, the game also has him mostly be interested in his grandfather's ''work'' and the potential to use it for ''his'' own purposes, has him repeatedly preach about how ''he's'' going to start a legacy of being the world's greatest mind and ruler of all time without any reference to Gerald, typically references Gerald as his grandfather whenever it feeds ''his'' ego, and it's most likely that his admiration for Gerald is exclusively regarding his prowess ''as a fellow genius scientist'' as opposed to anything humanitarian or familial (as Eggman would probably be aware that a Gerald of sound mind would ''not'' approve of what he does to further his goals), with his own [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatism]] or [[EvilVersusOblivion logic]] likely being why he lost respect for his grandfather. For most of the franchise's history before ''and'' after this game, it's all but stated that his main reason for wanting to rule the world [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans no matter what happens to it]] is to [[ItsAllAboutMe continue to feed his ego]] and [[InTheirOwnImage improve it in whatever way he sees fit.]]

** ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBrosUltimate'' introduced Echo Fighters, a new designation for {{Moveset Clone}} characters (for example, Dark Pit is lumped together with Pit instead of getting his own unique slot in the roster). While this helped [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap popularize several Clone characters]], it also lead to people fantasizing about potential new Echo Fighters with significantly different movesets from their base character, missing the point of Echo Fighters being deliberately similar to pre-existing fighters. It doesn't help that the game is sometimes inconsistent in what makes an Echo Fighter: Toon Link isn't an Echo of Young Link and Wolf and Falco are not Echoes of Fox (even though Dark Pit and Lucina prove that returning fighters can get "demoted" to Echo Fighter status), but Ken is considered an Echo of Ryu despite having many significant differences.

** Some people criticize the games for being "Cliche" and play a lot of the tropes absolutely straight. While the ClicheStorm trope may not be too far from the truth of a few games, part of the reason that the games have a fanbase is that even from the start, the VideoGame/TalesSeries has been known as a DeconstructorFleet - starting almost every game as an absolute ClicheStorm, and then starting to turn around deconstructing all the cliches that they just played totally straight.
** For ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss'' there's quite a sizable amount of people that got turned away from the game for having an unlikable protagonist in Luke. The problem here is that [[IntendedAudienceReaction you're not supposed to like him]] at first. He's a brat, and the game spares no expense in letting you know it, and also showing how much he irks the other characters. Then comes the WhamEpisode - wherein it's revealed that he is ''actually'' [[YoungerThanTheyLook seven years old]] due to CloningBlues. After that? He goes through character development at a turning point where almost nobody in the game has any sort of sympathy left for him and resolves to become a better person, losing basically every one of his traits that many players found bothersome. Of course, it's hard to know if a certain character is static or dynamic at first glance, so many players end up missing out on this, and even if you did know, you still have to put up with an intolerable character for some hours.\\\
On the flip side, there are many fans that actually played through the game and heavily sympathize with Asch, and like him more or even state that [[spoiler:he deserved to live more than Luke did]]. The problem is that Luke is intended to be seen as more worthy, as while Asch also got the short end of the stick, he also heavily contrasts Luke by being a static character that does ''not'' undergo character development. He remains an unapologetic asshole through and through, and even some of his more well-intended actions that people may like Asch for are the same things that the game goes at length to explain are not good ideas- at least when it's Luke attempting it.

* ''VideoGame/TheWitcher'', the second in the game in particular, has a rapidly developing misaimed fandom. It's a tricky case due to its GreyAndGrayMorality clouding things, the game does expect you to make rather murky moral decisions, and no side is all good, or all bad. But overall, there is a clear message that bigots are bad. The elvish rebels methods are criticized in the game, but it is made clear that the fact that they are [[FantasticRacism discriminated against]] is not cool, and joining the non-humans is given as much weight as joining the pro-human factions. In fact, you get the best ending if you join Iorveth, the Scoia'tael leader. It is the only way to [[spoiler: lift the curse on [[JeanneDArchetype Saskia]], the (literal) dragon. Your other options are leaving her impaled on a tree, but alive, or kill her]]. Yet many fans agree with the strawman arguments put forth by the human characters in the game, and take the stance that the humans are always right by virtue of them being human (similar to ''Film/{{Avatar}}'''s [[MisaimedFandom/{{Film}} own misaimed fandom]]), and [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman should always take precedence over the non-humans in the game]]. They have also begun to drag real life prejudices in the game, by complaining when the developers do things to cater to fans who belong to a minority group, such as replacing textures on some brothel carpets which could offend some Muslims, or vehemently arguing against the inclusion of any form of homosexuality in the game, because apparently minorities should never be considered, despite the clear message saying otherwise in the game itself.
** If you know anything about elves in the later Witcher books (Which did not receive a widespread release until after the games and Netflix shows' success), the treatment of elves does become a bit more of a moral grey area. It is also worth noting that not choosing Yorveth in the second game prevents Flotsam from turning into a giant bloodbath.

* Even though ''VideoGame/{{Yakuza}}'' is incredibly cartoonish and wacky ([[SarcasmMode "Yakuza is a serious crime drama"]] is a meme in the fandom for a reason), it does have serious moments as well - and it does ''not'' romanticize [[Main/{{Yakuza}} The Yakuza]] at ''all''. Anyone who gets involved with the Yakuza pretty clearly gets their lives messed up. This still doesn't stop some people from assuming that the Yakuza are actually the good guys and have a sense of morals to them - this is similar to a lot of how Mafia and "Organised Crime" movies make gangs, TheMafia, et cetera look great.
* Chihiro Fujisaki of ''Franchise/{{Danganronpa}}'' is a boy who was relentlessly bullied for his physical weakness and feminine appearance and resorted to crossdressing and pretending to be a girl in order to escape it. He hates it, and his sole motivation in life is to be strong so that he can go back to living as a boy without getting bullied again. In the bonus School Mode, he says outright that he's a guy. However, a subset of fans insist he's actually a trans girl and will jump down the throat of anyone who "misgenders" him by calling him a boy; the exact opposite of what he would want.
* ''VideoGame/ProgressQuest'' was meant to be a satire of level grinding skinner boxes in [=MMORPGs=] by taking the concept to its logical conclusion, a game that literally plays itself with no input from the player. The idea was that when stripped of the graphics and the illusion of choice, the core experience of these games would be incredibly boring.Years later, [[IdleGame games that play themselves became a a real, completely unironic genre]]. [[BribingYourWayToVictory Many of them are even monetized]].
* Any discussion regarding [[AllThereInTheManual the lore]] of ''VideoGame/DarkSouls'' tends to run into this on account of how vague and purposely unclear much of the story can be. A number of people will say, for sure, what happens based on item descriptions and placement, even when the games leave it unclear. As a result, many people take these details as 100% fact, when in truth the game was designed to leave things up to the viewers interpretation.

* Even though ''VideoGame/{{Yakuza}}'' is incredibly cartoonish and wacky ([[SarcasmMode "Yakuza is a serious crime drama"]] is a meme in the fandom for a reason), it does have serious moments as well - and it does ''not'' romanticise [[Main/{{Yakuza}} The Yakuza]] at ''all''. Anyone who gets involved with the Yakuza pretty clearly gets their lives messed up. This still doesn't stop some people from assuming that the Yakuza are actually the good guys and have a sense of morals to them - this is similar to a lot of how Mafia and "Organised Crime" movies make gangs, TheMafia, et cetera look great.

* Any discussion regarding [[AllThereInTheManual the lore]] of ''VideoGame/DarkSouls'' tends to fall into two distinct types of Misaimed Fandom. On the one hand you have fans who insist on getting a single concrete answer for any character detail or background element when the story is [[ShrugOfGod written to be ambiguous on purpose]]. On the other hand is the belief that the story should follow real world logic [[InternalConsistency when it very clearly does not]].
** The best example of both is Dark Sun Gwyndolin's [[AmbiguousGenderIdentity gender identity]]. It's canon that they were born physically male, RaisedAsTheOppositeGender and made to wear a ring that gives them the movements of said opposite gender. It's only via the item descriptions that we learn Gwyndolin hates wearing it [[InformedAttribute despite this never being brought up in dialogue]]. So the first group insist that the item is 100% canon, while the second [[FridgeLogic ask why he doesn't take the ring off when most of his time is spent alone]]. Neither train of thought is correct because the game is not supposed to be concrete or realistic.

* Dark Sun Gwyndolin of ''VideoGame/DarkSouls'' falls into two closely knit types of Misaimed Fandom. Gwyndolin was RaisedAsTheOppositeGender, uses he/him pronouns, and is even 'granted' a ring that gives male characters female animations and vice versa. All of this is presented in [[AllThereInTheManual the various bits of lore found in the item descriptions]]. So on one hand you have fans who insist that Gwyndolin is a transgender woman, and others who insist Gwyndolin isn't. The matter is only further muddied by the world Gwyndolin lives in- it could easily be more complicated than either of these interpretations, but we're never given concrete information either way.

* ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' is about a blonde-haired blue-eyed hero fighting a monster from a Middle Eastern culture with a big nose. Guess [[ThoseWackyNazis who]] happens to fascinated with it. Indeed, [[https://web.archive.org/web/20151220141429/http://smoloko.com/?p=9048 this]] article from a Neo-Nazi website (apologies for both the violent antisemitism and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking god-awful web design]]) borders on EpilepticTrees and makes you wonder if they're even talking abiut Zelda.

*** Those who dislike the game's voice acting will always point to [[SignatureScene a particular scene]] where Tidus is laughing obnoxiously, to the point where it's become [[MemeticMutation emblematic]] of the game's problems in general. There exists a GameMod which replaces all of Tidus's dialogue with the laughing, and the music with autotuned Tidus laughs. However, in the scene itself, [[StylisticSuck it's clearly supposed to be]] [[BadBadActing in-character bad acting]], with the other characters finding it embarrassing and complaining about it ("maybe you [[AnnoyingLaugh shouldn't laugh any more]]"). The moment became so binfamous that Creator/JamesArnoldTaylor, Tidus' English voice actor, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRWab0q9aw4 eventually had to make a YouTube video about to explain it in context.]]

*** Those who dislike the game's voice acting will always point to [[SignatureScene a particular scene]] where Tidus is laughing obnoxiously, to the point where it's become [[MemeticMutation emblematic]] of the game's problems in general. There exists a GameMod which replaces all of Tidus's dialogue with the laughing, and the music with autotuned Tidus laughs. However, in the scene itself, [[StylisticSuck it's clearly supposed to be]] [[BadBadActing in-character bad acting]], with the other characters finding it embarrassing and complaining about it ("maybe you [[AnnoyingLaugh shouldn't laugh any more]]"). IThe moment became so binfamous that Creator/JamesArnoldTaylor, Tidus' English voice actor, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRWab0q9aw4 eventually had to make a YouTube video about to explain it in context.]]

*** Those who dislike the game's voice acting will always point to [[SignatureScene a particular scene]] where Tidus is laughing obnoxiously, to the point where it's become [[MemeticMutation emblematic]] of the game's problems in general. There exists a GameMod which replaces all of Tidus's dialogue with the laughing, and the music with autotuned Tidus laughs. However, in the scene itself, [[StylisticSuck it's clearly supposed to be]] [[BadBadActing in-character bad acting]], with the other characters finding it embarrassing and complaining about it ("maybe you [[AnnoyingLaugh shouldn't laugh any more]]"). It got to the point that Creator/JamesArnoldTaylor, Tidus' English voice actor, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRWab0q9aw4 had to make a YouTube video about to explain it in context.]]

*** Lucien Lachance is a psychopathic killer who takes unabashed glee in murdering others, but one look at him and most fangirls bring out the [[DracoInLeatherPants leather pants]]. Partially justified in what you need to do in order to even meet him: joining the Dark Brotherhood. A clan of assassins catered by both the [[GodOfEvil God of]] [[PowerOfTheVoid the Void]], Sithis, and his most loyal subject, an ancient woman who sacrificed her six newborn sons for the glory of said god, and who relays their lord's will through her mummified corpse for only a few select ears to listen. Adhering to such a guild would assume that the player has an special mindset about killing, revenge (the main reason people contract their services), and about being a sword of vindication... But seeing how the fandom only harped about how the gear, perks and other rewards, it seems that the Developers accidently sabotaged their own message.

*** There are parts of the fandom that insist the Church of Seiros is homophobic, for no other reason than it's vague inspiration to the Catholic Church, which is through the eyes of a [[ValuesDissonance Japanese game developer]]. Not only is there nothing to suggest this in-universe, the ''archbishop'' [[spoiler:and ''founder'' of the church itself]] is a [[GayOption Bi Option]]. Compounding it further, Mercedes, one of the most devout characters in the game is also a Bi Option. Marianne comes at a close second when it comes to piety, and though she's not a bi option, she ''does'' have a bit of [[ShipTease subtext]] with her friend Hilda. Even [[TheTease Yuri]] is shown to have some faith and he's flirting with a [[PlayerCharacter Byleth]] of either gender right out of the gate. Hell, the [[spoiler:''Goddess herself'']] is a Bi Option. In each of these cases the issues of two women or two men getting together in a romantic relationship isn't even considered an issue, just two people coming together. Yet there's a troubling percentage of the fandom insisting the Church is homophobic.