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* {{Merlin}} and [[YamatoNadeshiko Gwen]] tend to act as this for Arthur, especially [[spoiler: after he finally becomes King of Camelot.]]
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This position isn't only reserved for men, mind you. It's not unusual for the [[HotConsort wife]] of a powerful ruler or businessman to take on this role, particularly if she is a ProperLady or YamatoNadeshiko. This might overlap with the LadyMacbeth, if her husband is of the less-than-scrupulous character.

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** YMMV. Tom's advice is actually correct from certain viewpoints. Had TheDon made the deal with Solozzo, the Corleone Family would have gained an immense flow of income, and the gang war would never have happened. Tom knew when he was giving his [[CassandraTruth advice]], though, that it would be ignored, because EvenEvilHasStandards. Also, Michael pushing Tom out is part of his BatmanGambit.

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** YMMV. Tom's advice is actually correct from certain viewpoints. Had TheDon made the deal with Solozzo, the Corleone Family would have gained an immense flow of income, and the gang war would never have happened. Tom knew when he was giving his [[CassandraTruth advice]], though, that it would be ignored, because EvenEvilHasStandards. Also, Michael pushing Tom out is part of his BatmanGambit.BatmanGambit, and Tom was brought right back after it was all over.
**Furthermore, ''Michael'' was the failure in the end, while the top thing keeping Tom back was that he wasn't Sicilian (or Italian at all, for that matter).
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-->Elanor's work at Dover was considerable. There was a continuous flow of messages to and from the Countess who was busy supporting her husband's revolt against the King. She dispatched assistance to him including a certain William the Engineer, who was evidently a specialist in siege weaponry. She procured military equipment for her husband's use, maintained relations with a substantial body of military followers and conducted negotiations with various third parties. Among the visitors who dined with Elanor of Dover, were leading citizens from the port towns of Sandwich and Winchelsea, whose support or assistance she was presumably trying to enlist, and she fostered relations with visiting ambassadors and merchants from overseas...
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-->Elanor's ->Elanor's work at Dover was considerable. There was a continuous flow of messages to and from the Countess who was busy supporting her husband's revolt against the King. She dispatched assistance to him including a certain William the Engineer, who was evidently a specialist in siege weaponry. She procured military equipment for her husband's use, maintained relations with a substantial body of military followers and conducted negotiations with various third parties. Among the visitors who dined with Elanor of Dover, were leading citizens from the port towns of Sandwich and Winchelsea, whose support or assistance she was presumably trying to enlist, and she fostered relations with visiting ambassadors and merchants from overseas...
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* Iago to {{Othello}} (though he [[{{Understatement}} abuses his position of trust]]).

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* Iago to {{Othello}} (though he [[{{Understatement}} abuses his position of trust]]).trust).
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** Eddard Stark serves this role for his friend, King Robert.
** In general, the Hand of the King was supposed to serve this role for his King. Various Hands had varying degrees of success.
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** YMMV. Tom's advice is actually correct from certain viewpoints. Had TheDon made the deal with Solozzo, the Corleone Family would have gained an immense flow of income, and the gang war would never have happened. Tom knew when he was giving his [[CassandraTruth advice]], though, that it would be ignored, because EvenEvilHasStandards. Also, Michael pushing Tom out is part of his BatmanGambit.
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** Hagen is actually not a straightforward example of this trope, since he is largely a failure as an adviser, and Michael pushes him out at the end for that reason.


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** Actually, Melisandre also plays this role for Stannis, and her advice is pretty much always right.
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*Thurfir Hawat and Lady Jessica in {{Dune}} are this to Duke Leto.
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* Medieval Noblewomen would often serve as this as the above quote indicates.
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-->Elanor's work at Dover was considerable. There was a continuous flow of messages to and from the Countess who was busy supporting her husband's revolt against the King. She dispatched assistance to him including a certain William the Engineer, who was evidently a specialist in siege weaponry. She procured military equipment for her husband's use, maintained relations with a substantial body of military followers and conducted negotiations with various third parties. Among the visitors who dined with Elanor of Dover, were leading citizens from the port towns of Sandwich and Winchelsea, whose support or assistance she was presumably trying to enlist, and she fostered relations with visiting ambassadors and merchants from overseas...
-->''Daily Life In Medieval Europe'' by Jeffery L Forgeng

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* Augustus Wynn serves this role to Cassidy Cain in GrandmasterOfTheft series, playing BlueOni to her RedOni & serving as a calming influence to her more hotblooded moments in addition to being her BattleButler & RightHandHottie.
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** Wyyrlok is a particularly interesting case as [[spoiler:he had no interest in power. He realized that his master's degenerative condition was driving him insane, and killed him so that he could become an immutable symbol rather then a flawed man.]]
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* In ''{{Evangelion}}'', there's one Kouzou Fuyutsuki...

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* In ''{{Evangelion}}'', ''NeonGenesisEvangelion'', there's one Kouzou Fuyutsuki...
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Similar to TheObiWan, but usually the same age or younger than their Luke. Possibly, but not necessarily, the OnlySaneMan. Might be TheStarscream if he thinks he should be in charge, the PussInBoots if it turns out that he actually is, or the HypercompetentSidekick if their boss would be useless without them. If he uses ObfuscatingStupidity to get away with BrutalHonesty, he's TheJester. Contrast with the EvilChancellor in that he is both the MostTrustedAdvisor ''and'' completely loyal to his boss.

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Similar to TheObiWan, but usually the same age or younger than their Luke. Possibly, but not necessarily, the OnlySaneMan. Might be TheStarscream if he thinks he should be in charge, the PussInBoots if it turns out that he actually is, or the HypercompetentSidekick if their boss would be useless without them. If he uses ObfuscatingStupidity to get away with BrutalHonesty, he's TheJester. Contrast with the EvilChancellor in that he is both the MostTrustedAdvisor ''and'' completely loyal to his boss.
EvilChancellor; compare and contrast TheGoodChancellor.



* Vyacheslav Molotov would fit this trope during Stalin's government.

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* Vyacheslav Molotov would fit this trope during Stalin's JosefStalin's government.



** Maybe more of a [[TheStarscream starscream]], as he's using that trust to destroy Othello.

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** Maybe more of a [[TheStarscream starscream]], Starscream]], as he's using that trust to destroy Othello.



* ''MafiaII'' has Leo Galante, consigliere to Frank Vinci, head of Empire Bay's older and more traditional family. He helps Vito out after they meet in prison, and their friendly relationship continues after both of them get out and Vito becomes a made man. [[spoiler:It helps Leo after a hit is put out on him a bit later, which Vito rescues him from, and hit helps Vito get out of the shithole situation he gets himself into after Henry's drug deal goes wrong much later.]] [[supersecretspoiler:Too bad that it doesn't help Joe.]]

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* ''MafiaII'' has Leo Galante, consigliere to Frank Vinci, head of Empire Bay's older and more traditional family. He helps Vito out after they meet in prison, and their friendly relationship continues after both of them get out and Vito becomes a made man. [[spoiler:It helps Leo after a hit is put out on him a bit later, which Vito rescues him from, and hit helps Vito get out of the shithole situation he gets himself into after Henry's drug deal goes wrong much later.]] [[supersecretspoiler:Too [[spoiler:Too bad that it doesn't help Joe.]]
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* Oxley is this to [[AnthropomorphicPersonification Father Thames]] in ''RiversOfLondon'', in the court of Mama Thames Tybur...[[DoNotCallMePaul Lady Ty]] likes to cast herself in this role, but is really TheStarscream.
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* ''StarWarsLegacy'': Darth Wyyrlok III was this to BigBad, EvilOverlord and GalacticEmperor Darth Krayt, until he pulled a TheStarscream.

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* ''StarWarsLegacy'': Darth Wyyrlok III was this to BigBad, EvilOverlord and GalacticEmperor [[TheEmperor Galactic Emperor]] Darth Krayt, until he pulled a TheStarscream.

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* Di Renjie gained a reputation for this in the Chinese imperial court in the seventh century. The early part of his career could be summed up as a cycle of "Speak Truth To Power, get demoted/arrested, be proven right, get re-promoted," but later became so respected for embodying this trope that the empress usually referred to him as the State Elder.
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** Maybe more of a [[TheStarscream starscream]], as he's using that trust to destroy Othello.

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Similar to TheObiWan, but usually the same age or younger than their Luke. Possibly, but not necessarily, the OnlySaneMan. Might be TheStarscream if he thinks he should be in charge, the PussInBoots if it turns out that he actually is, or the HypercompetentSidekick if their boss would be useless without them. If he uses ObfuscatingStupidity to get away with BrutalHonesty, he's TheJester. Contrast with the EvilChancellor in that he is both the Most Trusted Advisor ''and'' completely loyal to his boss.

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Similar to TheObiWan, but usually the same age or younger than their Luke. Possibly, but not necessarily, the OnlySaneMan. Might be TheStarscream if he thinks he should be in charge, the PussInBoots if it turns out that he actually is, or the HypercompetentSidekick if their boss would be useless without them. If he uses ObfuscatingStupidity to get away with BrutalHonesty, he's TheJester. Contrast with the EvilChancellor in that he is both the Most Trusted Advisor MostTrustedAdvisor ''and'' completely loyal to his boss.


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* ''StarWarsLegacy'': Darth Wyyrlok III was this to BigBad, EvilOverlord and GalacticEmperor Darth Krayt, until he pulled a TheStarscream.
** Moff Nyna Calixte, the OnlySaneMan of the [[OmniscientCouncilOfVagueness Moff Council]], was also this to Morlish Veed. [[spoiler: Until she betrayed him to spy for Roan Fel. Veed found out and apparently killed her.]]
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* ''MafiaII'' has Leo Galante, consigliere to Frank Vinci, head of Empire Bay's older and more traditional family. He helps Vito out after they meet in prison, and their friendly relationship continues after both of them get out and Vito becomes a made man. [[spoiler:It helps Leo after a hit is put out on him a bit later, which Vito rescues him from, and hit helps Vito get out of the shithole situation he gets himself into after Henry's drug deal goes wrong much later.]] [[supersecretspoiler:Too bad that it doesn't help Joe.]]
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A NumberTwo who is the Number One's voice of reason. Their advice is valuable to the boss because they're usually right, which puts them in a unique position to "SpeakTruthToPower" when other staff might be scared to contradict the boss. This kind of job security is largely self-reinforcing - the boss won't fire him because he needs his uniquely [[HonestAdvisor honest advice]], but he only has the freedom to be honest because he knows the boss won't fire him. Often the [[TheSmartGuy smartest guy in the room]], or just a [[TheConscience calming influence]] to a HotBlooded boss. There's a high likelihood of his being [[AmoralAttorney a retained lawyer.]]

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A NumberTwo who is the Number One's voice of reason. Their advice is valuable to the boss because they're usually right, which puts them in a unique position to "SpeakTruthToPower" when other staff might be scared to contradict the boss. This kind of job security is largely self-reinforcing - the boss won't fire him because he needs his uniquely [[HonestAdvisor honest advice]], but he only has the freedom to be honest because he knows the boss won't fire him. Often the [[TheSmartGuy smartest guy guy]] [[TheEvilGenius in the room]], or just a [[TheConscience calming influence]] to a HotBlooded boss. There's a high likelihood of his being [[AmoralAttorney a retained lawyer.]]
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* Dirch Frode, family lawyer for [[BigScrewedUpFamily the Vanger clan]], to patriarch Henrik Vanger.

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* Dirch Frode, family lawyer for [[BigScrewedUpFamily the Vanger clan]], to patriarch Henrik Vanger.
Vanger, in ''[[TheMillenniumTrilogy The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo]]''.
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* Surprisingly ''not'' true for most real-world Mafia families. Consiglieres (the position actually does exist) are almost always low-level soldiers with legitimate or near-legitimate backgrounds who can represent the boss in non-criminal matters. For bosses in the post-wiretap era, their "advisers" are almost always shameless ass-kissers.
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* Vyacheslav Molotov would fit this trope during Stalin's government.
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* [[TheMedic Ship's doctor]] Stephen Maturin occasionally plays this to Captain Jack Aubrey in ''MasterAndCommander'', being a close personal friend.
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* Seigfried Kircheis is this for Reinhard von Lohengramm in ''[[LegendOfGalacticHeroes Legend of the Galactic Heroes]]''.
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** And a good part of the ruler's role is to ignore the ''kirin'', since the ''kirin'' is inherently ([[StupidGood and often illogically]]) compassionate, which is not enough to rule a kingdom.
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** Tom Hagen from ''TheGodfather'' is probably named thus as a ShoutOut.
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* Hagen in ''Götterdämmerung'' pretends to be this, but he's actually TheChessmaster who suffers in ChronicBackstabbingDisorder.

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* Hagen in ''Götterdämmerung'' ''[[DerRingDesNibelungen Götterdämmerung]]'' pretends to be this, but he's actually TheChessmaster who suffers in ChronicBackstabbingDisorder.

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