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** The early ''Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse'' films under the lead of Creator/ZackSnyder suffered from this majorly as they tried to take characters like Superman in a completely different direction than had been done on film, depicting the character in a heavily deconstructed narrative that played the character as a depressed, troubled, ClassicalAntiHero. Subsequently, Batman was played as an unstable FallenHero who has lost his way, inspired by ''ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns'', while everything/everyone else took after the aforementioned ''New 52''. The results have been heavily mixed, as while it brought on new fans and appealed to people who dislike the MCU's approach to the genre, it has gradually alienated a good part of the comic fandom (though ''Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague'' later corrected that to great effect, only this time Creator/WarnerBros and Creator/DCFilms are not willing to continue from there).
** Similarly, CW's ''Series/{{Arrowverse}}'' line of shows have been largely aimed at adapting the New 52-era incarnations of the characters, albeit written with the CW's demographics as the intended audience. This saw characters being YoungerAndHipper and HotterAndSexier (except for characters who were introduced as young teens, being made college-aged and re-written as younger brother figures rather than surrogate children), written with a lot of angst and romantic drama, and given a Seasonal BigBad arc every year, not unlike how many of the CW's other famous long-lasting shows worked. While it worked to introduce newer fans to these characters, it was quickly ''very'' alienating to the comic audience, and caused a massive FandomRivalry between the two groups.

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** *** The early ''Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse'' films under the lead of Creator/ZackSnyder suffered from this majorly as they tried to take characters like Superman in a completely different direction than had been done on film, depicting the character in a heavily deconstructed narrative that played the character as a depressed, somber, troubled, ClassicalAntiHero. Subsequently, Batman was played as an unstable FallenHero who has lost his way, inspired by ''ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns'', while everything/everyone else took after the aforementioned ''New 52''. The results have been heavily mixed, as while it brought on new fans and appealed to people who dislike the MCU's approach to the genre, it has gradually alienated a good part of the comic fandom (though ''Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague'' later corrected that to great effect, only this time time, Creator/WarnerBros and Creator/DCFilms are reportedly not willing to continue from there).
** *** Similarly, CW's ''Series/{{Arrowverse}}'' line of shows have been largely aimed at adapting the New 52-era incarnations of the characters, albeit written with the CW's demographics as the intended audience. This saw characters being YoungerAndHipper and HotterAndSexier (except for characters who were introduced as young teens, being made college-aged and re-written as younger brother figures rather than surrogate children), written with a lot of angst and romantic drama, and given a Seasonal BigBad arc every year, not unlike how many of the CW's other famous long-lasting shows worked. While it worked to introduce newer fans to these characters, it was quickly ''very'' alienating to the comic audience, and caused a massive FandomRivalry between the two groups.
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Per this ATT thread, I disambiguated all the Hitchhiker's Guide adaptation pages and am correcting the wicks to match.


* ''Franchise/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy'' has been in ''every'' major media type in the world. It started on [[Radio/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy the radio]], then it was [[Literature/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy a series of novels]], then [[Series/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy a TV show]], [[VideoGame/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy a text-based adventure game]], [[Film/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy a movie]], a stage play, a comic book, a towel, it's been released on LP, CD, and cassette. About the only thing there isn't is a ''Hitchhiker'''s ballet. But every single re-release is different from ''all'' the others. Invariably, of course, people start to complain about the things that were added and the things that were left out, with nobody being able to say which is the definitive version or which version is pandering to whom.

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* ''Franchise/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy'' has been in ''every'' major media type in the world. It started on [[Radio/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy [[Radio/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy1978 the radio]], then it was [[Literature/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy [[Literature/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxyTrilogy a series of novels]], then [[Series/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy [[Series/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy1981 a TV show]], [[VideoGame/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy [[VideoGame/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy1984 a text-based adventure game]], [[Film/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy [[Film/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy2005 a movie]], a stage play, a comic book, a towel, it's been released on LP, CD, and cassette. About the only thing there isn't is a ''Hitchhiker'''s ballet. But every single re-release is different from ''all'' the others. Invariably, of course, people start to complain about the things that were added and the things that were left out, with nobody being able to say which is the definitive version or which version is pandering to whom.
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* ''Film/DungeonsAndDragons'' the movie suffers severely from conflicting idea; they wanted to attract the ''Dungeons and Dragons'' fanbase, and at the same time alienate themselves from them for fear of being associated with "losers." As a result, the movie was written by somebody who had never played the game, and the movie has lip service to the game and nothing else: a token 5'4" dwarf, clerical magic being only accessible to elves, and beholders that don't take advantage of the fact that they can look in all directions at once are just a few of the conflicts.

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* ''Film/DungeonsAndDragons'' ''Film/DungeonsAndDragons2000'' the movie suffers severely from conflicting idea; they wanted to attract the ''Dungeons and Dragons'' fanbase, and at the same time alienate themselves from them for fear of being associated with "losers." As a result, the movie was written by somebody who had never played the game, and the movie has lip service to the game and nothing else: a token 5'4" dwarf, clerical magic being only accessible to elves, and beholders that don't take advantage of the fact that they can look in all directions at once are just a few of the conflicts.
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* The ''Franchise/MortalKombat'' [[Film/MortalKombat movie]] is enjoyed by fans for being a faithful adaptation, and moviegoers and critics enjoyed it for being a coherent action movie.

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* The ''Franchise/MortalKombat'' [[Film/MortalKombat [[Film/MortalKombatTheMovie movie]] is enjoyed by fans for being a faithful adaptation, and moviegoers and critics enjoyed it for being a coherent action movie.
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* ''VideoGame/FireEmblemWarriors'' draws the majority of its characters and gameplay elements from ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' and ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'', the two most recent games in the series at the time of its release, and the two that caused a massive NewbieBoom.

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* ''VideoGame/FireEmblemWarriors'' draws the majority of its characters and gameplay elements from ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' and ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'', the two most recent games in the series at the time of its release, production, and the two that caused a massive NewbieBoom.



* ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' was intentionally made to bridge the gap between the ''Fallout'' old guard and new blood, starting by bringing in [[Creator/ObsidianEntertainment one of the successor studios of the series' creator Black Isle]] to do the game back on the West Coast, but doing it with the updated engine and SPECIAL system from ''3'' and continuing to innovate in storytelling and setting lore. The result is a game that both old-school ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 2}}'' purists and ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' fans agree is an excellent entry in the series.

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* ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' was intentionally made to bridge the gap between the ''Fallout'' old guard and new blood, starting by bringing in [[Creator/ObsidianEntertainment one of the successor studios of the series' creator Black Isle]] to do the game back on the West Coast, but doing it with the updated engine and SPECIAL system from ''3'' and continuing to innovate in storytelling and setting lore. The result is a game that both old-school ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 2}}'' ''VideoGame/Fallout2'' purists and ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' ''VideoGame/Fallout3'' fans agree is an excellent entry in the series.



* ''StarWars'' [[Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse novels]], having mostly created the old guard in the first place, catered to them extensively. Some of the later books however were written with the mindset of drawing more people in, and avoided making too much reference to the older books.

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* ''StarWars'' The ''Franchise/StarWars'' [[Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse novels]], having mostly created the old guard in the first place, catered to them extensively. Some of the later books however were written with the mindset of drawing more people in, and avoided making too much reference to the older books.
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* With ''Film/{{The Batman|2022}}'' starring Creator/RobertPattinson, it seemed like Creator/WarnerBros and Creator/DCFilms wanted to completely reboot the [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Dark Knight]] on film yet again, and a bit too freshly at that to some after Creator/BenAffleck seemingly left the role in 2019. Then ''Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague'' happened, Affleck was allowed to appear in new scenes for this version of ''Justice League'' and he was later confirmed to appear in Creator/AndresMuschietti's ''The Flash'', which means that this incarnation of Batman hasn't been completely forgotten/shelved by WB and DC Films (provided that ''The Flash'' isn't a WrapitUp for him).

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* With ''Film/{{The Batman|2022}}'' starring Creator/RobertPattinson, it seemed like Creator/WarnerBros and Creator/DCFilms wanted to completely reboot the [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Dark Knight]] on film yet again, and a bit too freshly at that to some after Creator/BenAffleck seemingly left the role in 2019. Then ''Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague'' happened, Affleck was allowed to appear in new scenes for this version of ''Justice League'' and he was later confirmed to appear in Creator/AndresMuschietti's ''The Flash'', which means that this incarnation of Batman hasn't been completely forgotten/shelved by WB and DC Films (provided that ''The Flash'' isn't a WrapitUp WrapItUp for him).
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* With ''Film/{{The Batman|2022}}'' starring Creator/RobertPattinson, it seemed like Creator/WarnerBros and Creator/DCFilms wanting to completely reboot the [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Dark Knight]] on film yet again, and a bit too freshly at that to some after Creator/BenAffleck seemingly left the role in 2019. Then ''Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague'' happened, Affleck was allowed to appear in new scenes for this version of ''Justice League'' and he was later confirmed to appear in Creator/AndresMuschietti's ''The Flash'', which means that this incarnation of Batman hasn't been completely forgotten/shelved by WB and DC Films (provided that ''The Flash'' isn't a WrapitUp for him).

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* With ''Film/{{The Batman|2022}}'' starring Creator/RobertPattinson, it seemed like Creator/WarnerBros and Creator/DCFilms wanting wanted to completely reboot the [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Dark Knight]] on film yet again, and a bit too freshly at that to some after Creator/BenAffleck seemingly left the role in 2019. Then ''Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague'' happened, Affleck was allowed to appear in new scenes for this version of ''Justice League'' and he was later confirmed to appear in Creator/AndresMuschietti's ''The Flash'', which means that this incarnation of Batman hasn't been completely forgotten/shelved by WB and DC Films (provided that ''The Flash'' isn't a WrapitUp for him).
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* With ''Film/{{The Batman|2022}}'' starring Creator/RobertPattinson, it seemed like Creator/WarnerBros and Creator/DCFilms wanting to completely reboot the [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Dark Knight]] on film yet again, and a bit too freshly at that to some after Creator/BenAffleck seemingly left the role in 2019. Then ''Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague'' happened, Affleck was allowed to appear in new scenes for this version of ''Justice League'' and he was later confirmed to appear in Creator/AndresMuschietti's ''The Flash'', which means that this incarnation of Batman hasn't been completely forgotten/shelved by WB and DC Films (provided that ''The Flash'' isn't a WrapitUp for him).
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** The ''Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse'' films suffered from this majorly as they tried to take characters like Superman in a completely different direction than had been done on film, depicting the character in a heavily deconstructed narrative that played the character as a depressed, troubled, ClassicalAntiHero. Subsequently, Batman was played as an unstable FallenHero who has lost his way, inspired by ''ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns'', while everything/everyone else took after the aforementioned ''New 52''. The results have been heavily mixed, as while it brought on new fans and appealed to people who disliked the MCU, it has gradually alienated much of the comic fandom.

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** The early ''Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse'' films under the lead of Creator/ZackSnyder suffered from this majorly as they tried to take characters like Superman in a completely different direction than had been done on film, depicting the character in a heavily deconstructed narrative that played the character as a depressed, troubled, ClassicalAntiHero. Subsequently, Batman was played as an unstable FallenHero who has lost his way, inspired by ''ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns'', while everything/everyone else took after the aforementioned ''New 52''. The results have been heavily mixed, as while it brought on new fans and appealed to people who disliked dislike the MCU, MCU's approach to the genre, it has gradually alienated much a good part of the comic fandom.fandom (though ''Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague'' later corrected that to great effect, only this time Creator/WarnerBros and Creator/DCFilms are not willing to continue from there).
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** Unfortunately, ''Rebirth'' was plagued by the fact the people behind the New 52 were still in charge, and in some cases, weren't happy with how the New 52 was received. As a result, when Creator/GeoffJohns (who had kickstarted the ''Rebirth'' initiative after being promoted and [[TheAtoner regretted the New 52]]) stepped down from being Chief Creative Officer of DC Entertainment to focus on writing, it was scrapped and the problems of the New 52 resurfaced immediately, with Darker and Edgier storylines once again taking over, and the [[ComicBook/WallyWest Legacy Character at the heart of the Rebirth initiative]] being put in a storyline designed to make them untouchable. Sales took a nosedive and got so bad that it likely played a major part behind the major layoffs that came during 2020. Unsurprisingly, the relaunch for 2021, ''DCInfiniteFrontier'' is aimed at restoring faith in the line and doing better by the characters.

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** Unfortunately, ''Rebirth'' was plagued by the fact the people behind the New 52 were still in charge, and in some cases, weren't happy with how the New 52 was received. As a result, when Creator/GeoffJohns (who had kickstarted the ''Rebirth'' initiative after being promoted and [[TheAtoner regretted the New 52]]) stepped down from being Chief Creative Officer of DC Entertainment to focus on writing, it was scrapped and the problems of the New 52 resurfaced immediately, with Darker and Edgier storylines once again taking over, and the [[ComicBook/WallyWest Legacy Character at the heart of the Rebirth initiative]] being put in a storyline designed to make them untouchable. Sales took a nosedive and got so bad that it likely played a major part behind the major layoffs that came during 2020. Unsurprisingly, the relaunch for 2021, ''DCInfiniteFrontier'' ''ComicBook/DCInfiniteFrontier'' is aimed at restoring faith in the line and doing better by the characters.

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* ''Franchise/DCComics'': The 2010-2020 period has seen a bit of a roller coaster for this.
** ''ComicBook/New52'': A ContinuityReboot of the DC Universe that was aimed almost ''exclusively'' at getting new readership. It dialled back on concepts like LegacyCharacter heroes and focused almost exclusively on heroes who were introduced in the Silver Age ''or'' in the last few years by the then-current editing and writing staff. It also erased most of their history and continuity to reset everyone to an approachable status quo (with a 'rule' in place that no continuity went back further than ''five years''), with exceptions being made to writers who were given ProtectionFromEditors and franchises AdoredByTheNetwork. It failed spectacularly; though it caused enough of a NewbieBoom to endear a sizeable fanbase who liked the Ultimate-style universe, it alienated the existing fanbase thanks to the DarkerAndEdgier writing style enforced by the editors, as well as a feeling of RunningTheAsylum, so much that readership quickly dropped and never recovered.
** Subsequently, ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' did the ''opposite'' of that, attempting to bring back the fans they lost. It restored several Legacy Characters, retconned in many abandoned aspects of the old continuity, and had a MythArc about what happened to the universe to make it so different in the first place. Sales massively improved and fan approval with it, though resulted in a BrokenBase thanks to fans of the New 52 feeling that they were being sidelined to appeal to older fans.
** Unfortunately, ''Rebirth'' was plagued by the fact the people behind the New 52 were still in charge, and in some cases, weren't happy with how the New 52 was received. As a result, when Creator/GeoffJohns (who had kickstarted the ''Rebirth'' initiative after being promoted and [[TheAtoner regretted the New 52]]) stepped down from being Chief Creative Officer of DC Entertainment to focus on writing, it was scrapped and the problems of the New 52 resurfaced immediately, with Darker and Edgier storylines once again taking over, and the [[ComicBook/WallyWest Legacy Character at the heart of the Rebirth initiative]] being put in a storyline designed to make them untouchable. Sales took a nosedive and got so bad that it likely played a major part behind the major layoffs that came during 2020. Unsurprisingly, the relaunch for 2021, ''DCInfiniteFrontier'' is aimed at restoring faith in the line and doing better by the characters.
** Outside of comics, this has been a major issue with DC's attempts at live action properties.
** The ''Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse'' films suffered from this majorly as they tried to take characters like Superman in a completely different direction than had been done on film, depicting the character in a heavily deconstructed narrative that played the character as a depressed, troubled, ClassicalAntiHero. Subsequently, Batman was played as an unstable FallenHero who has lost his way, inspired by ''ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns'', while everything/everyone else took after the aforementioned ''New 52''. The results have been heavily mixed, as while it brought on new fans and appealed to people who disliked the MCU, it has gradually alienated much of the comic fandom.
** Similarly, CW's ''Series/{{Arrowverse}}'' line of shows have been largely aimed at adapting the New 52-era incarnations of the characters, albeit written with the CW's demographics as the intended audience. This saw characters being YoungerAndHipper and HotterAndSexier (except for characters who were introduced as young teens, being made college-aged and re-written as younger brother figures rather than surrogate children), written with a lot of angst and romantic drama, and given a Seasonal BigBad arc every year, not unlike how many of the CW's other famous long-lasting shows worked. While it worked to introduce newer fans to these characters, it was quickly ''very'' alienating to the comic audience, and caused a massive FandomRivalry between the two groups.
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** And then there's ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'', which brought a new art style to the cartoon and placeed more emphasis on human supervillains to keep the Decepticons from looking ineffective, but won over a lot of converts in short order via strong writing and good use of the MythologyGag.

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** And then there's ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'', which brought a new art style to the cartoon and placeed placed more emphasis on human supervillains to keep the Decepticons from looking ineffective, but won over a lot of converts in short order via strong writing and good use of the MythologyGag.

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* ''Film/DungeonsAndDragons'' the movie: Suffered severely from conflicting ideas that they wanted to attract the ''Dungeons and Dragons'' fanbase and at the same time alienate themselves from them for fear of being associated with "losers." As a result the movie was written by somebody who had never played the game, and the movie has lip service to the game and nothing else. A token, 5'4" dwarf, clerical magic being only accessible to elves, and Beholders that don't take advantage of the fact that they can look in all directions at once are just a few of the conflicts.
* ''Film/{{Underdog}}:'' Instead of being about a shoe-shine boy in a city of anthropomorphs, it's about a pet talking dog with Green Rocks.
* The ''Film/SuperMarioBros'' movie: It had plumbers, mushrooms (sorta), and a dinosaur, but other than that had [[InNameOnly nothing to do]] with [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros the games]]. The bob-omb was its selling point.
* ''VideoGame/DoubleDragon:'' Both the [[WesternAnimation/DoubleDragon cartoon]] and the [[Film/DoubleDragon movie]] took the Double Dragon legends in different directions. The movie made it a post-apocalyptic gang-war for a mystical medallion, whereas the cartoon turned Billy and Jimmy into ninja super heroes. Both were entertaining, but had little to do with the video games.
** The comic mini-series (released by Marvel) split the difference; making Billy and Jimmy twin super-hero ninjas powered by a mystical statue. It also featured a SoBadItsGood extended cameo by [[spoiler:Creator/StanLee as Billy and Jimmy's biological father.]]
* ''Night of Dark Shadows'' came out in 1971 and, while ''Series/DarkShadows'', the television series it was based on, had only recently gone off the air, the plot and characters bore little or no resemblance to anything on the show.

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* ''Film/DungeonsAndDragons'' the movie: Suffered movie suffers severely from conflicting ideas that idea; they wanted to attract the ''Dungeons and Dragons'' fanbase fanbase, and at the same time alienate themselves from them for fear of being associated with "losers." As a result result, the movie was written by somebody who had never played the game, and the movie has lip service to the game and nothing else. A token, else: a token 5'4" dwarf, clerical magic being only accessible to elves, and Beholders beholders that don't take advantage of the fact that they can look in all directions at once are just a few of the conflicts.
* ''Film/{{Underdog}}:'' Instead of being about a shoe-shine boy in a city of anthropomorphs, it's about a pet talking dog with Green Rocks.
GreenRocks.
* The ''Film/SuperMarioBros'' movie: It had movie has plumbers, mushrooms (sorta), and a dinosaur, but other than that had has [[InNameOnly nothing to do]] with [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros the games]]. The bob-omb Bob-omb was its selling point.
* ''VideoGame/DoubleDragon:'' Both the [[WesternAnimation/DoubleDragon cartoon]] and the [[Film/DoubleDragon movie]] took take the Double Dragon legends in different directions. The movie made makes it a post-apocalyptic gang-war for a mystical medallion, whereas the cartoon turned turns Billy and Jimmy into ninja super heroes. Both were are entertaining, but had have little to do with the video games.
** The comic mini-series (released by Marvel) split splits the difference; making Billy and Jimmy twin super-hero ninjas powered by a mystical statue. It also featured a SoBadItsGood features an extended cameo by [[spoiler:Creator/StanLee as Billy and Jimmy's biological father.]]
* ''Night of Dark Shadows'' came out in 1971 and, while ''Series/DarkShadows'', the television series it was based on, had only recently gone off the air, the plot and characters bore bear little or to no resemblance to anything on the show.



** The TVMovie, which had been intended to start a ContinuityReboot, but flopped, altered the formula to resemble then-trendy series ''Series/TheXFiles'', gave a drastic SameCharacterButDifferent retool to the Master, altered the Doctor's backstory and (if it had been made) would have focused on remaking popular Classic stories like "Pyramids of Mars" and "The Robots of Death". The BBC had even wanted to toss out the current incumbent Doctor, Creator/SylvesterMcCoy, in favour of having the more popular and recogniseable Creator/TomBaker regenerating into Creator/PaulMcGann, before FOX persuaded them not to. And yet the main criticism of the movie (apart from anger about all the kissing) is still ContinuityLockOut.
** When Creator/RussellTDavies soft-rebooted the series he realised he could only do so if he did not cater to FanWank and aimed the show at the mainstream, as ''Doctor Who'' had been a mainstream show in its heyday in the UK and was only regarded as a cult show in the US and during its DorkAge. Doing this required him to reboot it in the form of a GenreBusting drama, incorporating elements of SoapOpera, [[ThrowAwayCountry killing off the Time Lords]] [[ThePlotReaper to simplify things]] and provide opportunity for {{Mangst}}, and deliberately avoiding bringing up most of the show's continuity in the first season in favour of spending five episodes dripfeeding information about basic concepts like "who and what is the Doctor?" and "are those big metal pepperpots with plungers on them bad news?". There wasn't an unambiguous suggestion the revival even happened in the same continuity as the Classic series until the return of Sarah Jane and K-9 in Series 2, and the show avoids the issue of the Doctor's [[TheNthDoctor former selves]] until some drawings in a journal in Series 3, only giving it a [[IntroDump significant scene]] in Series 4 when the show was leading up to the Doctor's regeneration and needed to remind audiences that Tennant had not always been the Doctor. The monsters are largely new, with only the iconic Daleks, Cybermen and the Master, and the popular Sontarans, Silurians and Macra returning. While many elements of the UnpleasableFanbase felt this occasionally turned the series into ''Doctor Who'' InNameOnly, the series was successfully brought back on television in a popular and highly regarded form, despite being remembered as a cheesy {{Camp}}y relic from TheSeventies with lots of SpecialEffectsFailure up until that point. After RTD left, Creator/StevenMoffat's tenure as showrunner shifted the show back towards the Old Guard side of the spectrum by dropping a lot of the soap elements, adding plot-important references to the Classic Doctors and reviving old-school story formats like GothicHorror and [[TheSiege Base Under Siege]] - but also remained focused on grabbing new fans by [[SoLastSeason discarding all of the Russell T Davies-era continuity that didn't directly affect the Doctor]], and only revived three Classic monsters that hadn't already been reintroduced to the series (Zygons, the Ice Warriors and the Great Intelligence).
* ''Franchise/PowerRangers'' has a surprisingly large PeripheryDemographic of older fans who started watching the show when in began in 1993 and still do for the nostalgia it gives them. The powers that be have acknowledged this and started slipping in older references that the under-12 set simply won't get (the pilot episode of ''Series/PowerRangersMegaforce'' was almost [[Series/MightyMorphinPowerRangers "Day of the Dumpster"]] all over again). However, they also have said that, while they appreciate the older fans, they have to realize that the target demographic (and biggest [[MerchandiseDriven toy-buying market]]) are still young children, and that's something they simply have to deal with. For the most part, older fans are fine with this (as it's [[NarmCharm the show's campiness]] that they enjoy); they only really get upset if the Powers That Be use the fact that the show is 1) MerchandiseDriven and 2) For Kids as an excuse to be lazy and do the show badly.
* ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' was deliberately set far away from anything related to the first two installments to allow a new team the freedom to operate without necessarily being bound by canon. This, combined with the jump to real-time and a first-person/over the shoulder view like ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'', completely alienated much of the existing fanbase. Bethesda realized that they weren't going to get that set of the fans on board and didn't worry about it too much, playing to their strengths and going with the basic theme of a somewhat-farcical post-nuclear setting based on an exaggeration of TheFifties, while taking a few set-pieces like the Brotherhood of Steel, ghouls and super-mutants and using them as they chose. The game is immensely divisive in the ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' fandom, but made exactly the profits you'd expect from a AAA title by Bethesda.
* ''VideoGame/FireEmblemWarriors'' draws the majority of its characters and gameplay elements from ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' and ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'', the two most recent games in the series at the time, and the two that caused a massive NewbieBoom.

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** The TVMovie, which had been intended to start a ContinuityReboot, but flopped, altered alters the formula to resemble then-trendy series ''Series/TheXFiles'', gave gives a drastic SameCharacterButDifferent retool to the Master, altered alters the Doctor's backstory and (if it the reboot had been made) would have focused on remaking popular Classic stories like "Pyramids of Mars" and "The Robots of Death". The BBC had even wanted to toss out the current incumbent Doctor, Creator/SylvesterMcCoy, in favour of having the more popular and recogniseable Creator/TomBaker regenerating into Creator/PaulMcGann, before FOX persuaded them not to. And yet the main criticism of the movie (apart from anger about all the kissing) is still ContinuityLockOut.
** When Creator/RussellTDavies soft-rebooted the series series, he realised he could only do so if he did not cater to FanWank and aimed the show at the mainstream, as ''Doctor Who'' had been a mainstream show in its heyday in the UK and UK, but was only regarded as a cult show in the US and during its DorkAge. Doing this required him to reboot it in the form of a GenreBusting drama, incorporating elements of SoapOpera, [[ThrowAwayCountry killing off the Time Lords]] [[ThePlotReaper to simplify things]] and provide opportunity for {{Mangst}}, and deliberately avoiding bringing up most of the show's continuity in the first season in favour of spending five episodes dripfeeding information about basic concepts like "who and what is the Doctor?" and "are those big metal pepperpots with plungers on them bad news?". There wasn't an unambiguous suggestion the revival even happened in the same continuity as the Classic series until the return of Sarah Jane and K-9 in Series 2, and the show avoids the issue of the Doctor's [[TheNthDoctor former selves]] until some drawings in a journal in Series 3, only giving it a [[IntroDump significant scene]] in Series 4 when the show was leading up to the Doctor's regeneration and needed to remind audiences that Tennant had not always been the Doctor. The monsters are largely new, with only the iconic Daleks, Cybermen and the Master, and the popular Sontarans, Silurians and Macra returning. While many elements members of the UnpleasableFanbase felt feel this occasionally turned turns the series into ''Doctor Who'' InNameOnly, the series was successfully brought back on television in a popular and highly regarded form, despite being remembered as a cheesy {{Camp}}y relic from TheSeventies with lots of SpecialEffectsFailure up until that point. After RTD left, Creator/StevenMoffat's tenure as showrunner shifted the show back towards the Old Guard side of the spectrum by dropping a lot of the soap elements, adding plot-important references to the Classic Doctors and reviving old-school story formats like GothicHorror and [[TheSiege Base Under Siege]] - but also remained focused on grabbing new fans by [[SoLastSeason discarding all of the Russell T Davies-era continuity that didn't directly affect the Doctor]], and only revived three Classic monsters that hadn't already been reintroduced to the series (Zygons, the Ice Warriors and the Great Intelligence).
* ''Franchise/PowerRangers'' has a surprisingly large PeripheryDemographic of older fans who started watching the show when in began in 1993 and still do for the nostalgia it gives them. The powers that be have acknowledged this and started slipping in older references that the under-12 set simply won't get (the pilot episode of ''Series/PowerRangersMegaforce'' was is almost [[Series/MightyMorphinPowerRangers "Day of the Dumpster"]] all over again). However, they also have said that, while they appreciate the older fans, they have to realize that the target demographic (and biggest [[MerchandiseDriven toy-buying market]]) are is still young children, and that's something they simply have to deal with. For the most part, older fans are fine with this (as it's [[NarmCharm the show's campiness]] that they enjoy); they only really get upset if the Powers That Be use the fact that the show is 1) MerchandiseDriven and 2) For Kids as an excuse to be lazy and do the show badly.
* ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' was is deliberately set far away from anything related to the first two installments to allow a new team the freedom to operate without necessarily being bound by canon. This, combined with the jump to real-time and a first-person/over the shoulder view like ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'', completely alienated much of the existing fanbase. Bethesda realized that they weren't going to get that set of the fans on board and didn't worry about it too much, playing to their strengths and going with the basic theme of a somewhat-farcical post-nuclear setting based on an exaggeration of TheFifties, while taking a few set-pieces setpieces like the Brotherhood of Steel, ghouls and super-mutants and using them as they chose. The game is immensely divisive in the ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' fandom, but made exactly the profits you'd expect from a AAA title by Bethesda.
* ''VideoGame/FireEmblemWarriors'' draws the majority of its characters and gameplay elements from ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' and ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'', the two most recent games in the series at the time, time of its release, and the two that caused a massive NewbieBoom.



* 2007's ''Film/{{Transformers}}'' LiveActionAdaptation: Majorly re-wrote the storyline, bringing the US military in and making it easier to follow, while giving enough in-jokes and old quotes to keep the old fans happy. And Peter Cullen to pack them in the aisles in the first place.

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* 2007's ''Film/{{Transformers}}'' LiveActionAdaptation: Majorly re-wrote LiveActionAdaptation majorly rewrites the storyline, bringing in the US military in and making it easier to follow, while giving enough in-jokes and old quotes to keep the old fans happy. And Peter Cullen to pack them in the aisles in the first place.



* ''ComicBook/VForVendetta'' probably stands about in the middle here. It updated the political context and generally made it a bit more [[Film/VForVendetta film-y]] (stronger female protagonist, more action scenes, less moral ambiguity), while keeping a lot of dialogue, visuals and themes from the comic. On the other hand, the changes to the politics and moral ambiguity made it essentially a completely different story, leading to the creator disowning it.
* Later Music/{{Radiohead}} albums have been trying to strike this sort of balance; ''In Rainbows'' successfully, ''Hail to the Thief'' perhaps less so.
* ''WesternAnimation/XMenEvolution'' brought in a new art style and a completely new set of storylines while keeping as many old characters as they could. Their main new character, Spyke, failed testing and [[PutOnABus was written out]] (and a version of him was even executed by Wolverine in the unrelated ''X3'' in a cool, but one-sided fight). ComicBook/{{X 23}}, on the other side, became popular enough with only two episodes worth of screening to be ported into the comics.
** The original animated series also balanced quite well, even keeping some of the original storylines and adapting them to the format of the show.
* Similarly, Marvel's [[ComicBook/UltimateMarvel Ultimate series]] is an attempt to bring casual and new fans into the fold by recreating their most popular works (Comicbook/SpiderMan, Comicbook/XMen, ComicBook/FantasticFour, and ''Comicbook/TheAvengers'') from the ground up. Although almost all villains and heroes are extremely familiar, they've all received major make-overs and have had their [[BackStory backstories]] {{retool}}ed and modernized. In one of their most controversial points, they've removed Peter Parker's job as a photojournalist and made him a webjockey instead.
* The writers of the new ''Series/DoctorWho'' are walking this tightrope very well, especially when you consider that they have a damn near UnpleasableFanbase sometimes.
* ''Film/{{Serenity}}'' tried to present a self-contained story, and enough back history on the ''Series/{{Firefly}}'' [[TheVerse verse]] to be accessible to newbies, with enough nods to the series to please the hardcores. Ultimately, though, the amount of people that even knew what Firefly was, much less get interested enough to go see it, [[SmallReferencePools was just a little bit low]].

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* ''ComicBook/VForVendetta'' probably ''Film/VForVendetta'’ stands about in the middle here. It updated updates the political context and generally made makes it a bit more [[Film/VForVendetta film-y]] Hollywood-esque (stronger female protagonist, more action scenes, less moral ambiguity), while keeping a lot of dialogue, visuals and themes from the comic. On the other hand, the changes to the politics and moral ambiguity made make it essentially a completely different story, leading to the creator disowning it.
* Later Music/{{Radiohead}} albums have been trying try to strike this sort of balance; ''In Rainbows'' successfully, ''Hail to the Thief'' perhaps less so.
* ''WesternAnimation/XMenEvolution'' brought in a new overhauled the art style and featured a completely new set of storylines while keeping as many old characters as they could. Their main new character, Spyke, failed testing and [[PutOnABus was written out]] (and a version of him was is even executed by Wolverine in the unrelated ''X3'' in a cool, but one-sided fight). ComicBook/{{X 23}}, on the other side, became popular enough with only two episodes worth of screening to be ported into the comics.
** The original animated series also balanced balances quite well, even keeping some of the original storylines and adapting them to the format of the show.
* Similarly, Marvel's [[ComicBook/UltimateMarvel Ultimate series]] is was an attempt to bring casual and new fans into the fold by recreating their most popular works (Comicbook/SpiderMan, Comicbook/XMen, ComicBook/FantasticFour, (‘’Comicbook/SpiderMan’’, Comicbook/XMen’’, ‘’ComicBook/FantasticFour‘’, and ''Comicbook/TheAvengers'') from the ground up. Although almost all villains and heroes are extremely familiar, they've they all received major make-overs and have had their [[BackStory backstories]] {{retool}}ed and modernized. In one of their most controversial points, they've they removed Peter Parker's job as a photojournalist and made him a webjockey instead.
* The writers of the new ''Series/DoctorWho'' are walking this tightrope very well, especially when you consider that they have a damn near UnpleasableFanbase sometimes.
*
''Film/{{Serenity}}'' tried tries to present a self-contained story, and enough back history on the ''Series/{{Firefly}}'' [[TheVerse verse]] to be accessible to newbies, with enough nods to the series to please the hardcores. hardcore fans. Ultimately, though, the amount of people that who even knew what Firefly was, was at the time, much less get interested enough to go see it, [[SmallReferencePools was just a little bit low]].



* Fanboys and regular moviegoers alike sure seem to enjoy ''Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy''. Note that regular folks reacted to ''Film/BatmanBegins'' being made with "Batman? With the rubber nipples and terrible, campy villains? Why are you going back to that again?" and fanboys reacted to Creator/HeathLedger being cast as ComicBook/TheJoker in ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' with "That Film/{{Brokeback|Mountain}} prettyboy as the Joker? This is gonna SUCK!". Note further that both sides have since been forced to eat their own words in dramatic fashion.
* The ''Franchise/MortalKombat'' [[Film/MortalKombat movie]] was enjoyed by the fans for being a faithful adaptation and moviegoers and critics enjoyed it for being a coherent action movie.

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* Fanboys and regular moviegoers alike sure seem to enjoy love ''Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy''. Note that regular folks reacted to ''Film/BatmanBegins'' being made with "Batman? With the rubber nipples and terrible, campy villains? Why are you going back to that again?" and fanboys reacted to Creator/HeathLedger being cast as ComicBook/TheJoker in ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' with "That Film/{{Brokeback|Mountain}} prettyboy as the Joker? This is gonna SUCK!". Note further that both sides have since been forced to eat their own words in dramatic fashion.
* The ''Franchise/MortalKombat'' [[Film/MortalKombat movie]] was is enjoyed by the fans for being a faithful adaptation adaptation, and moviegoers and critics enjoyed it for being a coherent action movie.



* ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'', as of late. The power-creep has been pretty damn noticeable lately, which makes older players cringe, and the newer ''Franchise/YuGiOh''-influenced generation squeal; however, the bar-none best cards are still those from well over 10 years ago, and the costs of these cards, whether the originals or in special reprint sets & decks, can easily run 40 bucks for a playset (4), making "veteran" formats like Legacy a nightmare for newer players to compete in. Let's just say that Magic is "balanced" in that [[UnpleasableFanbase it manages to delight and piss off both sides equally]].

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* ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'', as of late. The ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering''’s power-creep has been is pretty damn noticeable lately, noticeable, which makes older players cringe, and the newer younger ''Franchise/YuGiOh''-influenced generation squeal; however, the bar-none best cards are still those from well over 10 years ago, and the costs of these cards, whether the originals or in special reprint sets & decks, can easily run 40 bucks for a playset (4), making "veteran" formats like Legacy a nightmare for newer players to compete in. Let's just say that Magic is "balanced" in that [[UnpleasableFanbase it manages to delight and piss off both sides equally]].



* ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' was intentionally made to bridge the gap between the ''Fallout'' old guard and new blood, starting by bringing in [[Creator/ObsidianEntertainment one of the successor studios of the series' creator Black Isle]] to do the game back on the West Coast, but doing it with the updated engine and SPECIAL system from ''3'' and continuing to innovate in storytelling and setting lore. The result was a game that both old-school ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 2}}'' purists and ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' fans agree is an excellent entry in the series.

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* ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' was intentionally made to bridge the gap between the ''Fallout'' old guard and new blood, starting by bringing in [[Creator/ObsidianEntertainment one of the successor studios of the series' creator Black Isle]] to do the game back on the West Coast, but doing it with the updated engine and SPECIAL system from ''3'' and continuing to innovate in storytelling and setting lore. The result was is a game that both old-school ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 2}}'' purists and ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' fans agree is an excellent entry in the series.



* ''[[Film/TheFlintstones Flintstones]]'' the movie: Almost the entire movie is focusing on the comedy of turning the old visual gags into live action, while following a stretched-out ''Flintstones'' plot. And the [[CanonDiscontinuity less said]] about the ''second'' movie, the better. What makes it especially old guard are the adult subplots and ParentalBonus material, such as Fred being seduced by a woman who knew he was married. This kind of thing was common with cynical 90's updates of movies and series from more "innocent" decades. As if people were unaware of the missing themes just because those themes weren't present in movies and television.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsonsMovie:'' Granted, the Simpsons' fan base is so large that they could get away with this entirely. Still it was packed with so many in-jokes that even long term fans were forgetting a lot of them. Of course, the first thing the movie did was draw attention to the fact that it is virtually a giant Simpsons episode, so they probably knew that.
** It is the same case for ''VideoGame/TheSimpsonsGame''.
* ''Film/SinCity:'' Whether it works for it or against it is up to debate, but the movie religiously follows the comics (except when it comes to displaying nudity), to the point where the comics are literally used as storyboards.
* ''StarWars'' [[Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse novels]] are technically this; having mostly created the old guard in the first place, they continue to cater to them. Some of the later books however are being written with the concept of drawing more people in, and are avoiding making too much reference to the older books.
* ''Film/SupermanReturns'', a film that by all rights, ''should'' have been a reboot of the franchise that ended up becoming a sequel to a movie that came out [[Film/SupermanII close to 30 years previously.]] Bryan Singer turned the movie into his own personal love letter to the Christopher Reeve movies. Critics and audiences who grew up with the original films showered it with praise while [[CriticalDissonance new audiences were completely frozen out.]] The movie ultimately ended up disappointing at the box office.

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* ''[[Film/TheFlintstones Flintstones]]'' the movie: Almost the entire entirety of ''Film/TheFlintstones'' movie is focusing focuses on the comedy of turning the old visual gags into live action, while following a stretched-out ''Flintstones'' plot.plot from the cartoon series. And the [[CanonDiscontinuity less said]] about the ''second'' movie, the better. What makes it especially old guard old-guard are the adult subplots and ParentalBonus material, such as Fred being seduced by a woman who knew he was knows he’s married. This kind of thing was common with cynical 90's ‘90's updates of movies and series from more "innocent" decades. As decades, as if people were unaware of the missing themes just because those themes weren't present in movies and television.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsonsMovie:'' Granted, the Simpsons' fan base ‘’Simpsons’’ fanbase is so large that they could get away with this entirely. Still it was Still, it’s packed with so many in-jokes that even long term long-term fans were forgetting had forgetten a lot of them. Of course, the first thing the movie did was does is draw attention to the fact that it is virtually a giant Simpsons episode, so they probably knew that.
** It ''VideoGame/TheSimpsonsGame'' is the same case for ''VideoGame/TheSimpsonsGame''.
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* ''Film/SinCity:'' Whether it works for it or against it is up to debate, but the movie religiously follows the comics (except when it comes to displaying nudity), to the point where the comics are were literally used as storyboards.
* ''StarWars'' [[Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse novels]] are technically this; novels]], having mostly created the old guard in the first place, they continue catered to cater to them. them extensively. Some of the later books however are being were written with the concept mindset of drawing more people in, and are avoiding avoided making too much reference to the older books.
* ''Film/SupermanReturns'', a film that that, by all rights, ''should'' have been a reboot of the franchise that franchise, and yet ended up becoming a sequel to a movie that came out [[Film/SupermanII close to 30 years previously.]] Bryan Singer turned the movie into his own personal love letter to the Christopher Reeve movies. Critics and audiences who grew up with the original films showered it with praise praise, while [[CriticalDissonance new audiences were completely frozen out.]] The movie ultimately ended up disappointing at the box office.
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** The TVMovie, which had been intended to start a ReBoot series but flopped, altered the formula to resemble then-trendy series ''Series/TheXFiles'', gave a drastic SameCharacterButDifferent retool to the Master, altered the Doctor's backstory and (if it had been made) would have focused on remaking popular Classic stories like "Pyramids of Mars" and "The Robots of Death". The BBC had even wanted to toss out the current incumbent Doctor, Creator/SylvesterMcCoy, in favour of having the more popular and recogniseable Creator/TomBaker regenerating into Creator/PaulMcGann, before FOX persuaded them not to. And yet the main criticism of the movie (apart from anger about all the kissing) is still ContinuityLockOut.

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** The TVMovie, which had been intended to start a ReBoot series ContinuityReboot, but flopped, altered the formula to resemble then-trendy series ''Series/TheXFiles'', gave a drastic SameCharacterButDifferent retool to the Master, altered the Doctor's backstory and (if it had been made) would have focused on remaking popular Classic stories like "Pyramids of Mars" and "The Robots of Death". The BBC had even wanted to toss out the current incumbent Doctor, Creator/SylvesterMcCoy, in favour of having the more popular and recogniseable Creator/TomBaker regenerating into Creator/PaulMcGann, before FOX persuaded them not to. And yet the main criticism of the movie (apart from anger about all the kissing) is still ContinuityLockOut.
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* Fanboys and regular moviegoers alike sure seem to enjoy ''Film/TheDarkKnightSaga''. Note that regular folks reacted to ''Film/BatmanBegins'' being made with "Batman? With the rubber nipples and terrible, campy villains? Why are you going back to that again?" and fanboys reacted to Creator/HeathLedger being cast as ComicBook/TheJoker in ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' with "That Film/{{Brokeback|Mountain}} prettyboy as the Joker? This is gonna SUCK!". Note further that both sides have since been forced to eat their own words in dramatic fashion.

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* Fanboys and regular moviegoers alike sure seem to enjoy ''Film/TheDarkKnightSaga''.''Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy''. Note that regular folks reacted to ''Film/BatmanBegins'' being made with "Batman? With the rubber nipples and terrible, campy villains? Why are you going back to that again?" and fanboys reacted to Creator/HeathLedger being cast as ComicBook/TheJoker in ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' with "That Film/{{Brokeback|Mountain}} prettyboy as the Joker? This is gonna SUCK!". Note further that both sides have since been forced to eat their own words in dramatic fashion.
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* The Creator/JJAbrams ''Film/StarTrek2009'' films seem, to a neutral outside observer, to be pretty balanced - perfectly comprehensible to a newbie, with enough {{Shout Out}}s to the Prime 'verse to satisfy even the most die-hard Trekkie. Indeed, the films were praised by critics and loved by fans new and old alike. Within the fandom itself, it is [[BrokenBase either]] a wonderful and necessary revitalization of the franchise or a travesty that has ruined Trek forever and brought a legion of godawful [[FanDumb newbies]] down upon the heads of "real fans." [[InternetBackdraft Bad things happen when the opinions mix]].

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* The Creator/JJAbrams ''Film/StarTrek2009'' films seem, to a neutral outside observer, to be pretty balanced - perfectly comprehensible to a newbie, with enough {{Shout Out}}s to the Prime 'verse to satisfy even the most die-hard Trekkie. Indeed, the films were praised by critics and loved by fans new and old alike. Within the fandom itself, it is [[BrokenBase either]] a wonderful and necessary revitalization of the franchise or a travesty that has ruined Trek forever and brought a legion of godawful [[FanDumb newbies]] newbies down upon the heads of "real fans." [[InternetBackdraft Bad things happen when the opinions mix]]."
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* The Creator/JJAbrams ''Film/StarTrek'' films seem, to a neutral outside observer, to be pretty balanced - perfectly comprehensible to a newbie, with enough {{Shout Out}}s to the Prime 'verse to satisfy even the most die-hard Trekkie. Indeed, the films were praised by critics and loved by fans new and old alike. Within the fandom itself, it is [[BrokenBase either]] a wonderful and necessary revitalization of the franchise or a travesty that has ruined Trek forever and brought a legion of godawful [[FanDumb newbies]] down upon the heads of "real fans." [[InternetBackdraft Bad things happen when the opinions mix]].

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* The Creator/JJAbrams ''Film/StarTrek'' ''Film/StarTrek2009'' films seem, to a neutral outside observer, to be pretty balanced - perfectly comprehensible to a newbie, with enough {{Shout Out}}s to the Prime 'verse to satisfy even the most die-hard Trekkie. Indeed, the films were praised by critics and loved by fans new and old alike. Within the fandom itself, it is [[BrokenBase either]] a wonderful and necessary revitalization of the franchise or a travesty that has ruined Trek forever and brought a legion of godawful [[FanDumb newbies]] down upon the heads of "real fans." [[InternetBackdraft Bad things happen when the opinions mix]].
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* ''VideoGame/FireEmblemWarriors'' draws the majority of its characters and gameplay elements from ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' and ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'', the two most recent games in the series at the time, and the two that caused a massive NewbieBoom.
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* Fanboys and regular moviegoers alike sure seem to enjoy ''Film/TheDarkKnightSaga''. Note that regular folks reacted to ''Film/BatmanBegins'' being made with "Batman? With the rubber nipples and terrible, campy villains? Why are you going back to that again?" and fanboys reacted to Creator/HeathLedger being cast as SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker in ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' with "That Film/{{Brokeback|Mountain}} prettyboy as the Joker? This is gonna SUCK!". Note further that both sides have since been forced to eat their own words in dramatic fashion.

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* Fanboys and regular moviegoers alike sure seem to enjoy ''Film/TheDarkKnightSaga''. Note that regular folks reacted to ''Film/BatmanBegins'' being made with "Batman? With the rubber nipples and terrible, campy villains? Why are you going back to that again?" and fanboys reacted to Creator/HeathLedger being cast as SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker in ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' with "That Film/{{Brokeback|Mountain}} prettyboy as the Joker? This is gonna SUCK!". Note further that both sides have since been forced to eat their own words in dramatic fashion.

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* The Creator/JJAbrams ''Film/StarTrek'' films seem, to a neutral outside observer, to be pretty balanced - perfectly comprehensible to a newbie, with enough {{Shout Out}}s to the Prime 'verse to satisfy even the most die-hard Trekkie. Indeed, the films were praised by critics and loved by fans new and old alike. Within the fandom itself, it is [[BrokenBase either]] a wonderful and necessary revitalization of the franchise or a travesty that has ruined Trek forever and brought a legion of godawful [[FanDumb newbies]] down upon the heads of "real fans."
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* The Creator/JJAbrams ''Film/StarTrek'' films seem, to a neutral outside observer, to be pretty balanced - perfectly comprehensible to a newbie, with enough {{Shout Out}}s to the Prime 'verse to satisfy even the most die-hard Trekkie. Indeed, the films were praised by critics and loved by fans new and old alike. Within the fandom itself, it is [[BrokenBase either]] a wonderful and necessary revitalization of the franchise or a travesty that has ruined Trek forever and brought a legion of godawful [[FanDumb newbies]] down upon the heads of "real fans."
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* The new ''Film/StarTrek'' movie seems, to a neutral outside observer, to be pretty balanced - perfectly comprehensible to a newbie, with enough {{Shout Out}}s to the Prime 'verse to satisfy even the most die-hard Trekkie. Within the fandom itself, it is [[BrokenBase either]] a wonderful and necessary revitalization of the franchise or a travesty that has ruined Trek forever and brought a legion of godawful [[FanDumb newbies]] down upon the heads of "real fans." [[InternetBackdraft Bad things happen when the opinions mix]].

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* The new Creator/JJAbrams ''Film/StarTrek'' movie seems, films seem, to a neutral outside observer, to be pretty balanced - perfectly comprehensible to a newbie, with enough {{Shout Out}}s to the Prime 'verse to satisfy even the most die-hard Trekkie. Indeed, the films were praised by critics and loved by fans new and old alike. Within the fandom itself, it is [[BrokenBase either]] a wonderful and necessary revitalization of the franchise or a travesty that has ruined Trek forever and brought a legion of godawful [[FanDumb newbies]] down upon the heads of "real fans." "
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* Creator/JJAbrams' two [[Film/StarTrek Star Trek]] [[Film/StarTrekIntoDarkness films]] were praised by critics and loved by fans new and old alike. There is a VocalMinority of Old Guard fans that insist that both films (especially the second) are not "true" Star Trek movies.
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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTheMovie2017'' requires no prior knowledge of the [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic cartoon it's based on]], nor does it require being a Brony to fully appreciate; however, it still has plenty of bonuses for the former two.
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* ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' was deliberately set far away from anything related to the first two installments to allow a new team the freedom to operate without necessarily being bound by canon. This, combined with the jump to real-time and a first-person/over the shoulder view like ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'', completely alienated much of the existing fanbase. Bethesda realized that they weren't going to get that set of the fans on board and didn't worry about it too much, playing to their strengths and going with the basic theme of a somewhat-farcical post-nuclear setting based on an exaggeration of TheFifties, while taking a few set-pieces like the Brotherhood of Steel, ghouls and super-mutants and using them as they chose. The game is immensely LoveItOrHateIt in the ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' fandom, but made exactly the profits you'd expect from a AAA title by Bethesda.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' was deliberately set far away from anything related to the first two installments to allow a new team the freedom to operate without necessarily being bound by canon. This, combined with the jump to real-time and a first-person/over the shoulder view like ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'', completely alienated much of the existing fanbase. Bethesda realized that they weren't going to get that set of the fans on board and didn't worry about it too much, playing to their strengths and going with the basic theme of a somewhat-farcical post-nuclear setting based on an exaggeration of TheFifties, while taking a few set-pieces like the Brotherhood of Steel, ghouls and super-mutants and using them as they chose. The game is immensely LoveItOrHateIt divisive in the ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' fandom, but made exactly the profits you'd expect from a AAA title by Bethesda.
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* ''Film/SupermanReturns'', a film that by all rights, ''should'' have been a reboot of the franchise that ended up becoming a sequel to a movie that came out [[Film/SupermanII close to 30 years previously.]] Bryan Singer turned the movie into his own personal love letter to the Christopher Reeves movies. Critics and audiences who grew up with the original films showered it with praise while [[CriticalDissonance new audiences were completely frozen out.]] The movie ultimately ended up disappointing at the box office.

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* ''Film/SupermanReturns'', a film that by all rights, ''should'' have been a reboot of the franchise that ended up becoming a sequel to a movie that came out [[Film/SupermanII close to 30 years previously.]] Bryan Singer turned the movie into his own personal love letter to the Christopher Reeves Reeve movies. Critics and audiences who grew up with the original films showered it with praise while [[CriticalDissonance new audiences were completely frozen out.]] The movie ultimately ended up disappointing at the box office.
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* The ''Film/SuperMarioBros'' movie: It had plumbers, mushrooms (sorta), and a dinosaur, but other than that had [[InNameOnly nothing to do with the]] [[SuperMarioBros games]]. The bob-omb was its selling point.

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* The ''Film/SuperMarioBros'' movie: It had plumbers, mushrooms (sorta), and a dinosaur, but other than that had [[InNameOnly nothing to do do]] with the]] [[SuperMarioBros [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros the games]]. The bob-omb was its selling point.
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* Similarly, Marvel's [[ComicBook/UltimateMarvel Ultimate series]] is an attempt to bring casual and new fans into the fold by recreating their most popular works (Comicbook/{{Spider-Man}}, Comicbook/XMen, ComicBook/FantasticFour, and ''Comicbook/TheAvengers'') from the ground up. Although almost all villains and heroes are extremely familiar, they've all received major make-overs and have had their [[BackStory backstories]] {{retool}}ed and modernized. In one of their most controversial points, they've removed Peter Parker's job as a photojournalist and made him a webjockey instead.

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* Similarly, Marvel's [[ComicBook/UltimateMarvel Ultimate series]] is an attempt to bring casual and new fans into the fold by recreating their most popular works (Comicbook/{{Spider-Man}}, (Comicbook/SpiderMan, Comicbook/XMen, ComicBook/FantasticFour, and ''Comicbook/TheAvengers'') from the ground up. Although almost all villains and heroes are extremely familiar, they've all received major make-overs and have had their [[BackStory backstories]] {{retool}}ed and modernized. In one of their most controversial points, they've removed Peter Parker's job as a photojournalist and made him a webjockey instead.
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* Fanboys and regular moviegoers alike sure seem to enjoy ''Film/TheDarkKnightSaga''. Note that regular folks reacted to ''Film/BatmanBegins'' being made with "Batman? With the rubber nipples and terrible, campy villains? Why are you going back to that again?" and fanboys reacted to CreatorHeathLedger being cast as SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker in ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' with "That Film/{{Brokeback|Mountain}} prettyboy as the Joker? This is gonna SUCK!". Note further that both sides have since been forced to eat their own words in dramatic fashion.

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* Fanboys and regular moviegoers alike sure seem to enjoy ''Film/TheDarkKnightSaga''. Note that regular folks reacted to ''Film/BatmanBegins'' being made with "Batman? With the rubber nipples and terrible, campy villains? Why are you going back to that again?" and fanboys reacted to CreatorHeathLedger Creator/HeathLedger being cast as SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker in ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' with "That Film/{{Brokeback|Mountain}} prettyboy as the Joker? This is gonna SUCK!". Note further that both sides have since been forced to eat their own words in dramatic fashion.
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* ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' was deliberately set far away from anything related to the first two installments to allow a new team the freedom to operate without necessarily being bound by canon. This, combined with the jump to real-time and a first-person/over the shoulder view like ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'', completely alienated much of the existing fanbase. Bethesda realized that they weren't going to get that set of the fans on board and didn't worry about it too much, playing to their strengths and going with the basic theme of a somewhat-farcical post-nuclear setting based on an exaggeration of TheFifties, while taking a few set-pieces like the Brotherhood of Steel, ghouls and super-mutants and using them as they chose. The game is immensely LoveItOrHateIt in the ''VideoGame//{{Fallout}}'' fandom, but made exactly the profits you'd expect from a AAA title by Bethesda.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' was deliberately set far away from anything related to the first two installments to allow a new team the freedom to operate without necessarily being bound by canon. This, combined with the jump to real-time and a first-person/over the shoulder view like ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'', completely alienated much of the existing fanbase. Bethesda realized that they weren't going to get that set of the fans on board and didn't worry about it too much, playing to their strengths and going with the basic theme of a somewhat-farcical post-nuclear setting based on an exaggeration of TheFifties, while taking a few set-pieces like the Brotherhood of Steel, ghouls and super-mutants and using them as they chose. The game is immensely LoveItOrHateIt in the ''VideoGame//{{Fallout}}'' ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' fandom, but made exactly the profits you'd expect from a AAA title by Bethesda.
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* ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' was deliberately set far away from anything related to the first two installments to allow a new team the freedom to operate without necessarily being bound by canon. This, combined with the jump to real-time and a first-person/over the shoulder view like the Elder Scrolls, completely alienated much of the existing fanbase. Bethesda realized that they weren't going to get that set of the fans on board and didn't worry about it too much, playing to their strengths and going with the basic theme of a somewhat-farcical post-nuclear setting based on an exaggeration of TheFifties, while taking a few set-pieces like the Brotherhood of Steel, ghouls and super-mutants and using them as they chose. The game is immensely LoveItOrHateIt in the ''Franchise/{{Fallout}}'' fandom, but made exactly the profits you'd expect from a AAA title by Bethesda.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' was deliberately set far away from anything related to the first two installments to allow a new team the freedom to operate without necessarily being bound by canon. This, combined with the jump to real-time and a first-person/over the shoulder view like the Elder Scrolls, ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'', completely alienated much of the existing fanbase. Bethesda realized that they weren't going to get that set of the fans on board and didn't worry about it too much, playing to their strengths and going with the basic theme of a somewhat-farcical post-nuclear setting based on an exaggeration of TheFifties, while taking a few set-pieces like the Brotherhood of Steel, ghouls and super-mutants and using them as they chose. The game is immensely LoveItOrHateIt in the ''Franchise/{{Fallout}}'' ''VideoGame//{{Fallout}}'' fandom, but made exactly the profits you'd expect from a AAA title by Bethesda.



* The ''IronMan'' [[Film/IronMan movie]] is another strong example of this process done successfully.
* Fanboys and regular moviegoers alike sure seem to be enjoying Film/TheDarkKnightSaga. Note that regular folks reacted to ''Film/BatmanBegins'' being made with "Batman? With the rubber nipples and terrible, campy villains? Why are you going back to that again?" and fanboys reacted to Heath Ledger being cast as SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker in ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' with "That [[BrokebackMountain Brokeback]] prettyboy as the Joker? This is gonna SUCK!". Note further that both sides have since been forced to eat their own words in dramatic fashion.
* The ''MortalKombat'' [[Film/MortalKombat movie]] was enjoyed by the fans for being a faithful adaptation and moviegoers and critics enjoyed it for being a coherent action movie.

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* The ''IronMan'' ''ComicBook/IronMan'' [[Film/IronMan movie]] is another strong example of this process done successfully.
* Fanboys and regular moviegoers alike sure seem to be enjoying Film/TheDarkKnightSaga. enjoy ''Film/TheDarkKnightSaga''. Note that regular folks reacted to ''Film/BatmanBegins'' being made with "Batman? With the rubber nipples and terrible, campy villains? Why are you going back to that again?" and fanboys reacted to Heath Ledger CreatorHeathLedger being cast as SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker in ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' with "That [[BrokebackMountain Brokeback]] Film/{{Brokeback|Mountain}} prettyboy as the Joker? This is gonna SUCK!". Note further that both sides have since been forced to eat their own words in dramatic fashion.
* The ''MortalKombat'' ''Franchise/MortalKombat'' [[Film/MortalKombat movie]] was enjoyed by the fans for being a faithful adaptation and moviegoers and critics enjoyed it for being a coherent action movie.



* ''MagicTheGathering'', as of late. The power-creep has been pretty damn noticeable lately, which makes older players cringe, and the newer ''Franchise/YuGiOh''-influenced generation squeal; however, the bar-none best cards are still those from well over 10 years ago, and the costs of these cards, whether the originals or in special reprint sets & decks, can easily run 40 bucks for a playset (4), making "veteran" formats like Legacy a nightmare for newer players to compete in. Let's just say that Magic is "balanced" in that [[UnpleasableFanbase it manages to delight and piss off both sides equally]].

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* ''MagicTheGathering'', ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'', as of late. The power-creep has been pretty damn noticeable lately, which makes older players cringe, and the newer ''Franchise/YuGiOh''-influenced generation squeal; however, the bar-none best cards are still those from well over 10 years ago, and the costs of these cards, whether the originals or in special reprint sets & decks, can easily run 40 bucks for a playset (4), making "veteran" formats like Legacy a nightmare for newer players to compete in. Let's just say that Magic is "balanced" in that [[UnpleasableFanbase it manages to delight and piss off both sides equally]].



* ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' was intentionally made to bridge the gap between the Fallout old guard and new blood, starting by bringing in [[Creator/ObsidianEntertainment one of the successor studios of Black Isle]] to do the game back on the West Coast, but doing it with the updated engine and SPECIAL system from ''3'' and continuing to innovate in storytelling and setting lore. The result was a game that both old-school ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 2}}'' purists and ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' fans agree is an excellent entry in the series.

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* ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' was intentionally made to bridge the gap between the Fallout ''Fallout'' old guard and new blood, starting by bringing in [[Creator/ObsidianEntertainment one of the successor studios of the series' creator Black Isle]] to do the game back on the West Coast, but doing it with the updated engine and SPECIAL system from ''3'' and continuing to innovate in storytelling and setting lore. The result was a game that both old-school ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 2}}'' purists and ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' fans agree is an excellent entry in the series.
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** And then there's ''TransformersAnimated'', which brought a new art style to the cartoon and placeed more emphasis on human supervillains to keep the Decepticons from looking ineffective, but won over a lot of converts in short order via strong writing and good use of the MythologyGag.

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** And then there's ''TransformersAnimated'', ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'', which brought a new art style to the cartoon and placeed more emphasis on human supervillains to keep the Decepticons from looking ineffective, but won over a lot of converts in short order via strong writing and good use of the MythologyGag.

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