Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Removed Unfortunate Implications
Changed line(s) 35 (click to see context) from:
* AuthorAppeal: The author has repeatedly expressed their dislike for totally evil characters (or, worse, [[UnfortunateImplications totally evil races]]) in fantasy fiction, which is why the Bastardverse doesn't have any.
to:
* AuthorAppeal: The author has repeatedly expressed their dislike for totally evil characters (or, worse, [[UnfortunateImplications [[EvilCounterpartRace totally evil races]]) in fantasy fiction, which is why the Bastardverse doesn't have any.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Loads And Loads Of Characters is no longer a trope
Changed line(s) 6,7 (click to see context) from:
The story begins focused on a group of eight freshmen (a dryad, two paladins, a half-demon, a possessed human, a drow, a pixie, and a pirate princess) attending a [[ExtranormalInstitute school for adventurers]]. The scope expands rapidly from there, quickly introducing a number of secondary plots involving demons, religion, politics and an [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters increasingly large cast]] of individuals and organizations vying over the fate of an empire.
to:
The story begins focused on a group of eight freshmen (a dryad, two paladins, a half-demon, a possessed human, a drow, a pixie, and a pirate princess) attending a [[ExtranormalInstitute school for adventurers]]. The scope expands rapidly from there, quickly introducing a number of secondary plots involving demons, religion, politics and an [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters increasingly large cast]] cast of individuals and organizations vying over the fate of an empire.
Changed line(s) 55 (click to see context) from:
** Book 15 offers a bigger one in Ninkabi, 10 chapters worth with most of [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters the "central" cast]] participating. [[spoiler:Effectively the Fourth Hellwar, albeit abbreviated.]]
to:
** Book 15 offers a bigger one in Ninkabi, 10 chapters worth with most of [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters the "central" cast]] cast participating. [[spoiler:Effectively the Fourth Hellwar, albeit abbreviated.]]
Deleted line(s) 144 (click to see context) :
* LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters: At least twenty-five plot-relevant, distinctly motivated characters as of Book 7, and easily twice as many less relevant ones who still have names and personalities.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Deleted line(s) 129 (click to see context) :
* HarsherInHindsight: Gabriel being a virgin is treated as a joke, and a reflection on his ButtMonkey status. Then we find out that [[spoiler:his first real girlfriend, whom he trusted without reserve, drugged him with an infernal poison and was intending to have sex with him while he was berserking]]. Suddenly that scene is a lot harder to laugh at...
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Disambiguating; deleting and renaming wicks as appropriate
Changed line(s) 141 (click to see context) from:
* JustifiedTrope, of all things: [[spoiler: The Elder Gods were massive nerds drawing from a quite [[SmallReferencePools limited reference pools]]. [[TakeThatAudience This is not a good thing.]] As [[TheJester Vesk]] explains, they were very shallow and quite ignorant about the broader culture surrounding the works in question, and their tendency to reenact their most beloved works before [[KillEmAll brutally slaughtering everyone involved]] made them little more than all-powerful manchildren, ranging from [[MadGod "merely" insane]] to [[GodIsEvil straight up malevolent]]. Vesk, for whom little matters more than a good story, detests them for not bringing more stories with them -- he wanted to read them all, and mourns their loss.]]
to:
* JustifiedTrope, of all things: [[spoiler: The Elder Gods were massive nerds drawing from a quite [[SmallReferencePools limited reference pools]]. [[TakeThatAudience This is not a good thing.]] As [[TheJester Vesk]] Vesk explains, they were very shallow and quite ignorant about the broader culture surrounding the works in question, and their tendency to reenact their most beloved works before [[KillEmAll brutally slaughtering everyone involved]] made them little more than all-powerful manchildren, ranging from [[MadGod "merely" insane]] to [[GodIsEvil straight up malevolent]]. Vesk, for whom little matters more than a good story, detests them for not bringing more stories with them -- he wanted to read them all, and mourns their loss.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Deleted line(s) 123 (click to see context) :
* FiveRaces: {{Averted}}. While the story does include versions of all the standard EpicFantasy races (humans, elves, dwarves, gnomes, lizardfolk, and so on), they've all been changed around enough that none of them really fit the standard categories.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 90,94 (click to see context) from:
* CrapsackWorld: It's heavily disguised, mostly by the main characters all being fairly privileged, but this is a setting in which the legions of Hell are waging war on heaven using the mortal plane as a battlefield, the primary mortal authority is a ruthlessly expansionist empire, and there exists a classification system for individuals capable of ending the world.
** Amply demonstrated by one quote
-->'''T’bouti Nijaund:''' Hellgates are something people understand. The more uncertain the world becomes, the more one wants to cling to the familiar.
** However the world is very normal in everyday life for the masses, so despite the above the trope is [[AvertedTrope Averted]]. The tone of the story is lighter than that, as seen when General Panissar refused to let three soldiers be silenced for national security. The empire is surprisingly benevolent and the rise of mass produced enchantments and factories is resulting in a sharp rise in living standards, with dragons and disasters no longer as threatening.
*** The author has said that the text is a rebellion against the grittier trend of fantasy nowadays.
** Amply demonstrated by one quote
-->'''T’bouti Nijaund:''' Hellgates are something people understand. The more uncertain the world becomes, the more one wants to cling to the familiar.
** However the world is very normal in everyday life for the masses, so despite the above the trope is [[AvertedTrope Averted]]. The tone of the story is lighter than that, as seen when General Panissar refused to let three soldiers be silenced for national security. The empire is surprisingly benevolent and the rise of mass produced enchantments and factories is resulting in a sharp rise in living standards, with dragons and disasters no longer as threatening.
*** The author has said that the text is a rebellion against the grittier trend of fantasy nowadays.
to:
* CrapsackWorld: It's heavily disguised, mostly by the main characters all being fairly privileged, but this is a setting in which the legions of Hell are waging war on heaven Heaven using the mortal plane as a battlefield, the primary mortal authority is a ruthlessly expansionist empire, and there exists a classification system for individuals capable of ending the world.
** Amply demonstrated by one quote
-->'''T’bouti Nijaund:''' Hellgates are something people understand. The more uncertain the world becomes, the more one wants to cling to the familiar.
** Howeverworld. However, the world is very normal in everyday life for the masses, so despite the above the trope is [[AvertedTrope Averted]]. The tone of the story is lighter than that, as seen when General Panissar refused to let three soldiers be silenced for national security. The empire is surprisingly benevolent and the rise of mass produced enchantments and factories is resulting in a sharp rise in living standards, with dragons and disasters no longer as threatening.
***threatening. The author has said that the text is a rebellion against the grittier trend of fantasy nowadays.
** Amply demonstrated by one quote
-->'''T’bouti Nijaund:''' Hellgates are something people understand. The more uncertain the world becomes, the more one wants to cling to the familiar.
** However
***
Changed line(s) 106,107 (click to see context) from:
* DungeonCrawling: [[PlayingWithATrope Played with]], [[AffectionateParody sent-up]], [[DefiedTrope defied]] '''and''' [[JustifiedTrope justified]], in various ways.
** The most obvious example is actually called ''The Crawl'' (see Eldritch Location below), and part of it has been deliberately shaped into a completely troperific videogame-esque example, complete with (completely lampshaded) GoddamnBats and [[DireBeast Dire]] GoddamnBats.
** The most obvious example is actually called ''The Crawl'' (see Eldritch Location below), and part of it has been deliberately shaped into a completely troperific videogame-esque example, complete with (completely lampshaded) GoddamnBats and [[DireBeast Dire]] GoddamnBats.
to:
* DungeonCrawling: [[PlayingWithATrope Played with]], [[AffectionateParody sent-up]], [[DefiedTrope defied]] '''and''' [[JustifiedTrope justified]], in various ways.
**ways. The most obvious example is actually called ''The Crawl'' (see Eldritch Location below), and part of it has been deliberately shaped into a completely troperific videogame-esque example, complete with (completely lampshaded) GoddamnBats and [[DireBeast Dire]] GoddamnBats.
**
Changed line(s) 123 (click to see context) from:
* TheFairFolk: The fey, creations of Naiya the Elder Goddess. There are several varieties, but they're generally highly magical and [[BlueAndOrangeMorality entirely unfamiliar with ordinary morality and social norms]]. Two of the eight original protagonists, Fross the pixie and Juniper the dryad, are specimens. See also OurFairiesAreDifferent, below.
to:
* TheFairFolk: The fey, creations of Naiya the Elder Goddess. There are several varieties, but they're generally highly magical and [[BlueAndOrangeMorality entirely unfamiliar with ordinary morality and social norms]]. Two of the eight original protagonists, Fross the pixie and Juniper the dryad, are specimens. See also OurFairiesAreDifferent, below.
Changed line(s) 127 (click to see context) from:
** [[spoiler: Gabe, after being made a paladin of the God of Death and Acting.]]
to:
Changed line(s) 130 (click to see context) from:
* GeniusLoci: At least three of them; see EldritchLocation, above.
to:
* GodOfTheDead: Vidius, the god of death, is also strongly associated with theatre and masks, and is willing to let people into the divine plane even if they didn't worship any gods, so long as they made an effort to be decent people in life.
Changed line(s) 139,143 (click to see context) from:
* IncompatibleOrientation: Trissiny (straight) toward Toby (gay).
** She gets the other end a lot, too:
--->"Only women ever seem to approach me, and I have never been even slightly attracted to my own sex.”
--->Yasmeen stopped, her eyes widening in open surprise. “…really? But you’re the actual Hand of Avei! Didn’t you grow up in Viridill?”
--->“Ooh, darling, yes,” Trissiny said, utterly deadpan. “Stereotype me. Harder, please.”
** She gets the other end a lot, too:
--->"Only women ever seem to approach me, and I have never been even slightly attracted to my own sex.”
--->Yasmeen stopped, her eyes widening in open surprise. “…really? But you’re the actual Hand of Avei! Didn’t you grow up in Viridill?”
--->“Ooh, darling, yes,” Trissiny said, utterly deadpan. “Stereotype me. Harder, please.”
to:
* IncompatibleOrientation: Trissiny (straight) toward Toby (gay).
**(gay). She gets the other end a lot, too:
--->"Only -->"Only women ever seem to approach me, and I have never been even slightly attracted to my own sex.”
--->Yasmeen"\\
>Yasmeen stopped, her eyes widening in open surprise.“…really? "...really? But you’re you're the actual Hand of Avei! Didn’t Didn't you grow up in Viridill?”
--->“Ooh,Viridill?"\\
"Ooh, darling,yes,” yes," Trissiny said, utterly deadpan. “Stereotype "Stereotype me. Harder, please.”"
**
--->Yasmeen
>Yasmeen stopped, her eyes widening in open surprise.
--->“Ooh,
"Ooh, darling,
Changed line(s) 146,148 (click to see context) from:
* JerkassGods: Hinted at by the title, although so far the gods seem to be mostly doing their best.
** Some of them never wanted to be gods in the first place... and it shows.
* JustifiedTrope, of all things: [[spoiler: The Elder Gods were massive nerds drawing from a quite [[SmallReferencePools limited reference pools]]. [[TakeThatAudience This is not a good thing.]] As [[TheJester Vesk]] explains, they were very shallow and quite ignorant about the broader culture surrounding the works in question, and their tendency to reenact their most beloved works before [[KillEmAll brutally slaughtering everyone involved]] made them little more than all-powerful manchildren, ranging from [[MadGod ‘merely’ insane]] to [[GodIsEvil straight up malevolent]]. Vesk, for whom little matters more than a good story, detests them for not bringing more stories with them - he wanted to read them all, and mourns their loss.]]
** Some of them never wanted to be gods in the first place... and it shows.
* JustifiedTrope, of all things: [[spoiler: The Elder Gods were massive nerds drawing from a quite [[SmallReferencePools limited reference pools]]. [[TakeThatAudience This is not a good thing.]] As [[TheJester Vesk]] explains, they were very shallow and quite ignorant about the broader culture surrounding the works in question, and their tendency to reenact their most beloved works before [[KillEmAll brutally slaughtering everyone involved]] made them little more than all-powerful manchildren, ranging from [[MadGod ‘merely’ insane]] to [[GodIsEvil straight up malevolent]]. Vesk, for whom little matters more than a good story, detests them for not bringing more stories with them - he wanted to read them all, and mourns their loss.]]
to:
* JerkassGods: Hinted at by the title, although so far the gods seem to be mostly doing their best.
**best. Some of them never wanted to be gods in the first place... and it shows.
* JustifiedTrope, of all things: [[spoiler: The Elder Gods were massive nerds drawing from a quite [[SmallReferencePools limited reference pools]]. [[TakeThatAudience This is not a good thing.]] As [[TheJester Vesk]] explains, they were very shallow and quite ignorant about the broader culture surrounding the works in question, and their tendency to reenact their most beloved works before [[KillEmAll brutally slaughtering everyone involved]] made them little more than all-powerful manchildren, ranging from [[MadGod‘merely’ "merely" insane]] to [[GodIsEvil straight up malevolent]]. Vesk, for whom little matters more than a good story, detests them for not bringing more stories with them - -- he wanted to read them all, and mourns their loss.]]
**
* JustifiedTrope, of all things: [[spoiler: The Elder Gods were massive nerds drawing from a quite [[SmallReferencePools limited reference pools]]. [[TakeThatAudience This is not a good thing.]] As [[TheJester Vesk]] explains, they were very shallow and quite ignorant about the broader culture surrounding the works in question, and their tendency to reenact their most beloved works before [[KillEmAll brutally slaughtering everyone involved]] made them little more than all-powerful manchildren, ranging from [[MadGod
Changed line(s) 156,158 (click to see context) from:
* MamaBear:
** Tellwyrn to her students.
** Naiya, while generally neglectful towards her children, will still ''wreck'' every living thing for miles around if one is killed.
** Tellwyrn to her students.
** Naiya, while generally neglectful towards her children, will still ''wreck'' every living thing for miles around if one is killed.
to:
* MamaBear:
** Tellwyrn to her students.
**MamaBear: Naiya, while generally neglectful towards her children, will still ''wreck'' wreck every living thing for miles around if one is killed.killed.
%%** Tellwyrn to her students.
** Tellwyrn to her students.
**
%%** Tellwyrn to her students.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
expanded on "central cast"
Changed line(s) 55 (click to see context) from:
** Book 15 offers a bigger one in Ninkabi, 10 chapters worth with most of the central cast participating. [[spoiler:Effectively the Fourth Hellwar, albeit abbreviated.]]
to:
** Book 15 offers a bigger one in Ninkabi, 10 chapters worth with most of [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters the central cast "central" cast]] participating. [[spoiler:Effectively the Fourth Hellwar, albeit abbreviated.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Another Big Badass Battle Sequence
Changed line(s) 53 (click to see context) from:
* BigBadassBattleSequence: the affair with the hellgate opening over the school most certainly counts.
to:
* BigBadassBattleSequence: the BigBadassBattleSequence:
** The affair with the hellgate opening over the school most certainlycounts.counts.
** Book 15 offers a bigger one in Ninkabi, 10 chapters worth with most of the central cast participating. [[spoiler:Effectively the Fourth Hellwar, albeit abbreviated.]]
** The affair with the hellgate opening over the school most certainly
** Book 15 offers a bigger one in Ninkabi, 10 chapters worth with most of the central cast participating. [[spoiler:Effectively the Fourth Hellwar, albeit abbreviated.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Ascended mem
Deleted line(s) 14 (click to see context) :
* AerithAndBob: {{Lampshaded}} at one point with a drow-human couple whose names actually ''are'' Avrith and Bob.
Added DiffLines:
* AerithAndBob: {{Lampshaded}} at one point with a drow-human couple whose names actually ''are'' Avrith and Bob.
Added DiffLines:
* AscendedMeme: “Natchua, ''no''.” (From the comments.)
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
quote for Alpha Bitch
Added DiffLines:
** Later lampshaded: "Two is the optimal number of hench-wenches for the appearance-minded alpha bitch..."
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
fantastic racism
Changed line(s) 97 (click to see context) from:
* DemonicPossession: [[PlayingWithATrope Played with]]. One of the main characters is possessed by a demon, but the demon is just as upset about it as she is and they're good friends by the beginning of the story. Similarly, some demons can interbreed with humans, and the resulting half-demons may look odd, but are no more malevolent than any other social pariah....
to:
* DemonicPossession: [[PlayingWithATrope Played with]]. One of the main characters is possessed by a demon, but the demon is just as upset about it as she is and they're good friends by the beginning of the story. Similarly, some demons can interbreed with humans, and the resulting half-demons may look odd, but are no more malevolent than any other [[FantasticRacism social pariah....pariah]]....
* FantasticRacism: While most nonhuman species are powerful enough to defend themselves against bullies, they do tend to get side-eyed within human communities. Half-demons and half-elves face significant prejudice, and lizardfolk seem to consist mostly of isolated communities.
Changed line(s) 172 (click to see context) from:
* OurDragonsAreDifferent: They come in [[ColorCodedForYourConvenience four colors]], each one corresponding to a particular kind of magic and a particular philosophy. The colors are chosen by dragons at some point in their lives; newborns apparently start out white (that is, colorless). And new''born'' is correct - dragons are [[OneGenderRace always male]] and reproduce by mating with humanoid females (presumably using their humanoid alternate form).
to:
* OurDragonsAreDifferent: They come in [[ColorCodedForYourConvenience four colors]], each one corresponding to a particular kind of magic and a particular philosophy. The colors are chosen by dragons at some point in their lives; newborns apparently start out white (that is, colorless). And new''born'' is correct - dragons are [[OneGenderRace always male]] and reproduce by mating with humanoid females (presumably using (using their humanoid alternate form).
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Trope's being cut
Deleted line(s) 118 (click to see context) :
* EverythingIsBetterWithPrincesses: Zaruda may technically qualify, but she's no PrincessClassic. As the daughter of a pirate king she is constantly drinking, brawling and has a crude sense of humor. She's also one of the most perceptive and sociable of the main cast.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
tweaks
Changed line(s) 61 (click to see context) from:
* BodyHorror: Juniper's hallucination in the Appairitorium is of a monster she could become, and it's deeply disturbing.
to:
* BodyHorror: BodyHorror:
** Juniper's hallucination in the Appairitorium is of a monster she could become, and it's deeplydisturbing.disturbing.
** Infernal magic tends to inflict this on its users.
** Juniper's hallucination in the Appairitorium is of a monster she could become, and it's deeply
** Infernal magic tends to inflict this on its users.
Changed line(s) 94 (click to see context) from:
* DeityOfHumanOrigin: The Pantheon were once mortals and got their current position by [[KlingonPromotion killing most of the previous generation of gods]]. It's later revealed that the Elder Gods were ''also'' once humanoids. Whether there ever existed any god ''not'' of human origin remains an open question.
to:
* DeityOfHumanOrigin: The Pantheon were once mortals and got their current position by [[KlingonPromotion killing most of the previous generation of gods]]. It's later revealed that the Elder Gods were ''also'' once humanoids. humans, [[spoiler:from Earth]]. Whether there ever existed any god ''not'' of human origin remains an open question.
Changed line(s) 111 (click to see context) from:
* ElementalRockPaperScissors: Each type of magic is countered by another: Divine destroys Fae, which destroys Infernal, which destroys Arcane, which destroys Divine.
to:
* ElementalRockPaperScissors: Each type of magic is countered by another: Divine destroys Fae, which destroys Infernal, which destroys Arcane, which destroys Divine. (See diagram above.)
Changed line(s) 134 (click to see context) from:
--->Only women ever seem to approach me, and I have never been even slightly attracted to my own sex.”
to:
Changed line(s) 169,170 (click to see context) from:
* Partially averted. Captain Rovaud and Commander Ravoud have very similar names, which is commented upon when several characters get them mixed up.
* Two taverns in distant cities are named The Fallen Arms (unintentional per the author, but kept as a plausible coincidence).
* Two taverns in distant cities are named The Fallen Arms (unintentional per the author, but kept as a plausible coincidence).
to:
Changed line(s) 194 (click to see context) from:
** One of the characters uses the phrase "[[Literature/TheHungerGames mockingjay]] hunt" in much the same way as we would use "snipe hunt".
to:
** One of the characters uses the The phrase "[[Literature/TheHungerGames mockingjay]] hunt" in is used much the same way as we would use "snipe hunt".
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Breaking the fourth wall, etc
* BreakingTheFourthWall: Vesk does it at length at the very end of Book 14. The nearby pastry vendor thinks he's a street crazy....
Changed line(s) 91 (click to see context) from:
* DeadpanSnarker Pretty much all of the main student cast. Even Trissiny eventually gets in on the act.
to:
* DeadpanSnarker DeadpanSnarker: Pretty much all of the main student cast. Even Trissiny eventually gets in on the act.
Changed line(s) 94 (click to see context) from:
* DemonicPossession: [[PlayingWithATrope Played with]]. One of the main characters is possessed by a demon, but the demon is just as upset about it as she is and they're good friends by the beginning of the story.
to:
* DemonicPossession: [[PlayingWithATrope Played with]]. One of the main characters is possessed by a demon, but the demon is just as upset about it as she is and they're good friends by the beginning of the story. Similarly, some demons can interbreed with humans, and the resulting half-demons may look odd, but are no more malevolent than any other social pariah....
Changed line(s) 140 (click to see context) from:
* JustifiedTrope, of all things. [[spoiler: The Elder Gods were massive nerds drawing from a quite [[SmallReferencePools limited reference pools]]. [[TakeThatAudience This is not a good thing.]] As [[TheJester Vesk]] explains, they were very shallow and quite ignorant about the broader culture surrounding the works in question, and their tendency to reenact their most beloved works before [[KillEmAll brutally slaughtering everyone involved]] made them little more than all-powerful manchildren, ranging from [[MadGod ‘merely’ insane]] to [[GodIsEvil straight up malevolent]]. Vesk, for whom little matters more than a good story, detests them for not bringing more stories with them - he wanted to read them all, and mourns their loss.]]
to:
* JustifiedTrope, of all things. things: [[spoiler: The Elder Gods were massive nerds drawing from a quite [[SmallReferencePools limited reference pools]]. [[TakeThatAudience This is not a good thing.]] As [[TheJester Vesk]] explains, they were very shallow and quite ignorant about the broader culture surrounding the works in question, and their tendency to reenact their most beloved works before [[KillEmAll brutally slaughtering everyone involved]] made them little more than all-powerful manchildren, ranging from [[MadGod ‘merely’ insane]] to [[GodIsEvil straight up malevolent]]. Vesk, for whom little matters more than a good story, detests them for not bringing more stories with them - he wanted to read them all, and mourns their loss.]]
Changed line(s) 151 (click to see context) from:
* ManipulativeBastard: Bishop Darling, technically. But he's mostly a good guy.
to:
* ManipulativeBastard: ManipulativeBastard:
** Bishop Darling, technically. But he's mostly a good guy.
** Bishop Darling, technically. But he's mostly a good guy.
** Bishop Syrinx, explicitly noted as a sociopath.
Changed line(s) 167 (click to see context) from:
* Two taverns in distant cities are named The Fallen Arms (unintentional per the author, but kept as plausible).
to:
* Two taverns in distant cities are named The Fallen Arms (unintentional per the author, but kept as plausible).a plausible coincidence).
Changed line(s) 186 (click to see context) from:
* ShoutOut:
to:
* ShoutOut:ShoutOut: Lots and lots.
Changed line(s) 209 (click to see context) from:
* TimePolice The Scions of Vemnesthis, who deal with those who tamper with Time. Anyone who tries to directly view the future (or deep past), travel through time, or change the past will get a warning. Those who defy the warning get drafted into the Scions themselves. (Their dispatcher is [[spoiler:Arachne Tellwyrn]], but even she doesn't get to keep knowledge of other times when off-the-job.)
to:
* TimePolice TimePolice: The Scions of Vemnesthis, who deal with those who tamper with Time. Anyone who tries to directly view the future (or deep past), travel through time, or change the past will get a warning. Those who defy the warning get drafted into the Scions themselves. (Their dispatcher is [[spoiler:Arachne Tellwyrn]], but even she doesn't get to keep knowledge of other times when off-the-job.)
Changed line(s) 214 (click to see context) from:
* VagueAge: Elves after achieving maturity can be anywhere eighteen and eight thousand. This is exploited by Tellwyrn to have alumni re-enroll to monitor the student body. The truly ancient ones tend to develop an air of absolute serenity, but this can be faked.
to:
* VagueAge: Elves after achieving maturity can An adult elf may be anywhere from eighteen and to eight thousand. This is exploited by Tellwyrn to have alumni re-enroll to monitor the student body. The truly ancient ones tend to develop an air of absolute serenity, but this can be faked.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Shoutouts from book 14, a couple of other tweaks.
* JustifiedTrope, of all things. [[spoiler: The Elder Gods were massive nerds drawing from a quite [[SmallReferencePools limited reference pools]]. [[TakeThatAudience This is not a good thing.]] As [[TheJester Vesk]] explains, they were very shallow and quite ignorant about the broader culture surrounding the works in question, and their tendency to reenact their most beloved works before [[KillEmAll brutally slaughtering everyone involved]] made them little more than all-powerful manchildren, ranging from [[MadGod ‘merely’ insane]] to [[GodIsEvil straight up malevolent]]. Vesk, for whom little matters more than a good story, detests them for not bringing more stories with them - he wanted to read them all, and mourns their loss.]]
Changed line(s) 164 (click to see context) from:
* OneSteveLimit: Partially averted. Captain Rovaud and Commander Ravoud have very similar names, which is commented upon when several characters get them mixed up.
to:
* OneSteveLimit: OneSteveLimit:
* Partially averted. Captain Rovaud and Commander Ravoud have very similar names, which is commented upon when several characters get them mixedup.up.
* Two taverns in distant cities are named The Fallen Arms (unintentional per the author, but kept as plausible).
* Partially averted. Captain Rovaud and Commander Ravoud have very similar names, which is commented upon when several characters get them mixed
* Two taverns in distant cities are named The Fallen Arms (unintentional per the author, but kept as plausible).
Changed line(s) 196 (click to see context) from:
** [[JustifiedTrope Justified]], of all things. [[spoiler: The Elder Gods were massive nerds drawing from a quite [[SmallReferencePools limited reference pools]]. [[TakeThatAudience This is not a good thing.]] As [[TheJester Vesk]] explains, they were very shallow and quite ignorant about the broader culture surrounding the works in question, and their tendency to reenact their most beloved works before [[KillEmAll brutally slaughtering everyone involved]] made them little more than all-powerful manchildren, ranging from [[MadGod ‘merely’ insane]] to [[GodIsEvil straight up malevolent]]. Vesk, for whom little matters more than a good story, detests them for not bringing more stories with them - he wanted to read them all, and mourns their loss.]]
to:
** [[JustifiedTrope Justified]], of all things. [[spoiler: The Elder Gods were massive nerds drawing from a quite [[SmallReferencePools limited reference pools]]. [[TakeThatAudience This is not a good thing.]] As [[TheJester Vesk]] explains, they were very shallow In the anticlimax to Book 14, Vesk tosses out several at once: Series/TheXFiles, [[Creator/WilliamShakespeare Shakespeare]], the [[Literature/TheBible New Testament]], Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack... and quite ignorant about the broader culture surrounding the works in question, and their tendency to reenact their most beloved works before [[KillEmAll brutally slaughtering everyone involved]] made them little more than all-powerful manchildren, ranging from [[MadGod ‘merely’ insane]] to [[GodIsEvil straight up malevolent]]. Vesk, for whom little matters more than a good story, detests them for not bringing more stories with them - he wanted to read them all, and mourns their loss.]]Literature/APracticalGuideToEvil.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Tower of Salyrene
Added DiffLines:
** The Tower of Salyrene: A series of tests customized to the questors. While it nominally tests magical ability, knowledge, and strength, some tests clearly are focused on character, and ''attitude'' toward problem-solving.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Stereotype me harder...
Added DiffLines:
** She gets the other end a lot, too:
--->Only women ever seem to approach me, and I have never been even slightly attracted to my own sex.”
--->Yasmeen stopped, her eyes widening in open surprise. “…really? But you’re the actual Hand of Avei! Didn’t you grow up in Viridill?”
--->“Ooh, darling, yes,” Trissiny said, utterly deadpan. “Stereotype me. Harder, please.”
--->Only women ever seem to approach me, and I have never been even slightly attracted to my own sex.”
--->Yasmeen stopped, her eyes widening in open surprise. “…really? But you’re the actual Hand of Avei! Didn’t you grow up in Viridill?”
--->“Ooh, darling, yes,” Trissiny said, utterly deadpan. “Stereotype me. Harder, please.”
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
indenting examples
Changed line(s) 194 (click to see context) from:
* Check out the opening to Book 5 and see if you can guess where the characters will be spending the rest of the book.
to:
Changed line(s) 196 (click to see context) from:
* Later in Book 13-33, the bards know the rules:
to:
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 193 (click to see context) from:
* TemptingFate: Check out the opening to Book 5 and see if you can guess where the characters will be spending the rest of the book.
to:
* TemptingFate: TemptingFate:
* Check out the opening to Book 5 and see if you can guess where the characters will be spending the rest of the book.
* Check out the opening to Book 5 and see if you can guess where the characters will be spending the rest of the book.
* Later in Book 13-33, the bards know the rules:
--->“Yeah, but you were down here for years, both of you,” Fedora said dismissively. “That guy’s got hours, at most. What could he possibly do?”
--->Half a dozen people scattered about the room simultaneously let out loud groans.
--->“And those,” Sekandar helpfully informed the Inspector, “are the bardic studies majors.”
--->“Yeah, but you were down here for years, both of you,” Fedora said dismissively. “That guy’s got hours, at most. What could he possibly do?”
--->Half a dozen people scattered about the room simultaneously let out loud groans.
--->“And those,” Sekandar helpfully informed the Inspector, “are the bardic studies majors.”
Changed line(s) 197 (click to see context) from:
* TitleDrop: The title of the book is also the very first line of the story.
to:
* TitleDrop: The title of the book is also the very first line of the story. (Reversed: WordOfGod is that the author was stuck for a title, until they chose the first sentence of the story they'd started.)
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Time Police
Changed line(s) 116 (click to see context) from:
* FantasyAmericana: Understated, but with the Western references, and the endless prairie of the Golden Sea that are actually called "amber waves" in a book title, the influences are strong.
to:
* FantasyAmericana: Understated, but with the Western references, and the (literally) endless prairie of the Golden Sea that are actually called "amber waves" in a book title, the influences are strong.
Added DiffLines:
* TimePolice The Scions of Vemnesthis, who deal with those who tamper with Time. Anyone who tries to directly view the future (or deep past), travel through time, or change the past will get a warning. Those who defy the warning get drafted into the Scions themselves. (Their dispatcher is [[spoiler:Arachne Tellwyrn]], but even she doesn't get to keep knowledge of other times when off-the-job.)
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Born Unlucky...
Changed line(s) 62 (click to see context) from:
* BornUnlucky: The author. The author's notes at least through book 10 tell an epic tale of vehicular, medical, technological, and other trials, all aggravated by poverty.
to:
* BornUnlucky: The author. The author's notes comments at least through book 10 11 tell an epic tale of vehicular, medical, technological, and other trials, all aggravated by poverty.poverty.
--->(Chapter 11-17) '''D.D. Webb''': Usually I’m awakened by my cats wanting breakfast. Not today, though. No, this morning, the frame of my bedside window somehow became detached, causing the glass pane to be toppled inward by a gust of wind, where it landed on me and shattered. That was my wake-up call today.
--->''How does that even happen?''
--->(Chapter 11-17) '''D.D. Webb''': Usually I’m awakened by my cats wanting breakfast. Not today, though. No, this morning, the frame of my bedside window somehow became detached, causing the glass pane to be toppled inward by a gust of wind, where it landed on me and shattered. That was my wake-up call today.
--->''How does that even happen?''
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
various tweaks
Changed line(s) 98 (click to see context) from:
** The most obvious example is actually called ''The Crawl'', and part of it has been deliberately shaped into a completely troperific videogame-esque example, complete with (completely lampshaded) GoddamnBats and [[DireBeast Dire]] GoddamnBats.
to:
** The most obvious example is actually called ''The Crawl'', Crawl'' (see Eldritch Location below), and part of it has been deliberately shaped into a completely troperific videogame-esque example, complete with (completely lampshaded) GoddamnBats and [[DireBeast Dire]] GoddamnBats.
Changed line(s) 103 (click to see context) from:
*** Features a PsychologicalTormentZone: TheAppairitorium.
to:
*** Features a PsychologicalTormentZone: TheAppairitorium.{{Roguelike}} section (the Descent), and a PsychologicalTormentZone (the Appairitorium).
Changed line(s) 140 (click to see context) from:
* MamaBear: Tellwyrn to her students. Naiya, while generally neglectful towards her children, will still ''wreck'' every living thing for miles around if one is killed.
to:
* MamaBear: MamaBear:
** Tellwyrn to herstudents. students.
** Naiya, while generally neglectful towards her children, will still ''wreck'' every living thing for miles around if one is killed.
** Tellwyrn to her
** Naiya, while generally neglectful towards her children, will still ''wreck'' every living thing for miles around if one is killed.
Changed line(s) 156 (click to see context) from:
* OurDragonsAreDifferent: They come in [[ColorCodedForYourConvenience four colors]], each one corresponding to a particular kind of magic and a particular philosophy. The colors are chosen by dragons at some point in their lives, so it's not clear what newborn dragons look like. And new''born'' is correct - dragons are [[OneGenderRace always male]] and reproduce by mating with humanoid females (for which they presumably use their humanoid alternate form).
to:
* OurDragonsAreDifferent: They come in [[ColorCodedForYourConvenience four colors]], each one corresponding to a particular kind of magic and a particular philosophy. The colors are chosen by dragons at some point in their lives, so it's not clear what newborn dragons look like. lives; newborns apparently start out white (that is, colorless). And new''born'' is correct - dragons are [[OneGenderRace always male]] and reproduce by mating with humanoid females (for which they presumably use (presumably using their humanoid alternate form).
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
added Psychological torment zone, arcane source, typos
Changed line(s) 38,41 (click to see context) from:
** [[WhiteMagic Divine magic]] from the principle pantheon of gods
** [[BlackMagic Infernal Magic]] from the goddess of beauty, light and cruelty
** Faery magic being maintained by the [[NatureSpirit goddess of nature]]
** Arcane magic comes from an unknown source.
** [[BlackMagic Infernal Magic]] from the goddess of beauty, light and cruelty
** Faery magic being maintained by the [[NatureSpirit goddess of nature]]
** Arcane magic comes from an unknown source.
to:
** [[WhiteMagic Divine magic]] from the principle pantheon current Pantheon of gods
** [[BlackMagic Infernal Magic]] from thegoddess Scyllith, Elder Goddess of beauty, light and cruelty
** Faery magic being maintained by Naiya, the [[NatureSpiritgoddess Elder Goddess of nature]]
** Arcane magic comes from an unknown source. Later (Book 10) revealed to the readers as [[spoiler:the sorta-corpse of the Elder Goddess Araneid]].
** [[BlackMagic Infernal Magic]] from the
** Faery magic being maintained by Naiya, the [[NatureSpirit
** Arcane magic comes from an unknown source. Later (Book 10) revealed to the readers as [[spoiler:the sorta-corpse of the Elder Goddess Araneid]].
*** Features a PsychologicalTormentZone: TheAppairitorium.
** Some of them never wanted to be gods in the first place... and it shows.
Changed line(s) 193 (click to see context) from:
* UnfortunateName: Horsebutt, a long-dead barbarian king who might be an {{Expy}} of Genghis Khan. Unsurprisingly, it turns out the name is a bastardization. That said, the protagonist who shortly ends up fighting centaurs quickly learns which end is more dangerous in melee.
to:
* UnfortunateName: Horsebutt, a long-dead barbarian king who might be an {{Expy}} of Genghis Khan. Unsurprisingly, it turns out the name is a bastardization. That said, the one protagonist who shortly ends up fighting centaurs centaurs, and she quickly learns which end is more dangerous in melee.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
tweaks
Changed line(s) 28,29 (click to see context) from:
** Fortunately, she's been taught not to [[spoiler:[[ImAHumanitarian eat them afterwards]]]].
to:
** Fortunately, she's been taught not to [[spoiler:[[ImAHumanitarian [[spoiler:[[LiteralManEater eat them afterwards]]]].
afterwards]]]].
Changed line(s) 35 (click to see context) from:
* AwesomeMcCoolName: Gravestone Weaver, Longshot McGraw, Billie the Tinker, etc.
to:
* AwesomeMcCoolName: Gravestone Weaver, Longshot McGraw, [=McGraw=], Billie the Tinker, etc.
Changed line(s) 59,60 (click to see context) from:
** “This demon, she has a name?” "It’s hard to say,” Toby replied. “What, you didn’t ask?” The Colonel raised an eyebrow. “No, I mean it’s ''hard to say''...”
* BlueAndOrangeMorality: {{Subverted}} with [[spoiler:dryads]]. They have trouble understanding human morality and initially appear to be following their own ethical system based on "natural" principles, but the characters slowly grow to realize that they're basically just powerful humans who were never taught that other people had feelings too.
* BlueAndOrangeMorality: {{Subverted}} with [[spoiler:dryads]]. They have trouble understanding human morality and initially appear to be following their own ethical system based on "natural" principles, but the characters slowly grow to realize that they're basically just powerful humans who were never taught that other people had feelings too.
to:
---> '''Colonel:''' “What, you didn’t
* BlueAndOrangeMorality: {{Subverted}} with [[spoiler:dryads]]. They have trouble understanding human morality and initially appear to be following their own ethical system based on "natural" principles, but the characters slowly grow to realize that they're basically just powerful
Changed line(s) 62 (click to see context) from:
* BornUnlucky: The author. The author's notes at least through book 7 are an epic of vehicular, medical, technological, and other trials, all aggravated by poverty.
to:
* BornUnlucky: The author. The author's notes at least through book 7 are 10 tell an epic tale of vehicular, medical, technological, and other trials, all aggravated by poverty.
Changed line(s) 91 (click to see context) from:
* DeityOfHumanOrigin: The Pantheon were once mortals and got their current position by [[KlingonPromotion killing the previous generation of gods]]. It's later revealed that the Elder Gods were ''also'' once humanoids. Whether there ever existed any god ''not'' of human origin remains an open question.
to:
* DeityOfHumanOrigin: The Pantheon were once mortals and got their current position by [[KlingonPromotion killing most of the previous generation of gods]]. It's later revealed that the Elder Gods were ''also'' once humanoids. Whether there ever existed any god ''not'' of human origin remains an open question.
Changed line(s) 147 (click to see context) from:
* NoodleIncident: Numerous characters comment on "that class with the vampire and the priest." We meet the vampire, and she provides one about "That time she got sent to hell, met a demon lord, and got sent home with a strongly-worded letter for Arachne Tellwyrn."
to:
* NoodleIncident: Numerous characters comment on "that class with the vampire and the priest." We meet the vampire, and she provides one about "That time she got sent to hell, met a demon lord, and got sent home with a strongly-worded letter for Arachne Tellwyrn."" The protagonist class is also accumulating such tales with respect to other characters.
Changed line(s) 166 (click to see context) from:
* ReallySevenHundredYearsOld: All of the elves, who tend to look like they're in their twenties. Some are thousands of years old. Explained in universe by way they're maintained by magic.
to:
* ReallySevenHundredYearsOld: All of the elves, who tend to look like they're in their twenties. Some are thousands of years old. Explained in universe by way they're maintained by magic.of their magical characteristics.
Deleted line(s) 186 (click to see context) :
* PoorlyClosetedGay: Toby. She prefers male garb, which is not per local culture, and publicly dances with her (drow) girlfriend.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
various tweaks
Changed line(s) 62 (click to see context) from:
* BornUnlucky: The author. The author's notes at least through book 7 are an epic of vehicular, dental, technological, and other trials, aggravated by poverty.
to:
* BornUnlucky: The author. The author's notes at least through book 7 are an epic of vehicular, dental, medical, technological, and other trials, all aggravated by poverty.
** Toby is learning to deal with conflict.
** Fross is not just learning, but actually getting smarter as she gains magical power.
** Fross is not just learning, but actually getting smarter as she gains magical power.
Changed line(s) 106 (click to see context) from:
* EmpireWithADarkSecret: The reason why Elilial left the Pantheon. Supposedly anyone who learns the secret will ''instantly be killed'' by the Pantheon gods... unless they have Elilial's technique for hiding their intentions from the gods.
to:
* EmpireWithADarkSecret: The reason why Elilial left the Pantheon. Supposedly anyone who learns the secret will ''instantly be killed'' by the Pantheon gods... unless ''unless'' they have Elilial's technique for hiding their intentions thoughts from the gods.
Changed line(s) 121 (click to see context) from:
* HeroWithBadPublicity: Arachne Tellwyrn. Adventurers in general are considered troublemakers with a naive longing for the past.
to:
* HeroWithBadPublicity: Arachne Tellwyrn. Adventurers in general are considered troublemakers with a naive longing for the past. The elven word describing Arachne in particular, is initially translated as "pot-stirrer". Then the speaker points out that the pot in question is a chamber-pot.
Changed line(s) 147,148 (click to see context) from:
* ObfuscatingInsanity[=/=]ObfuscatingStupidity: {{Downplayed}}, but Zaruda still qualifies, especially in Volume 1. To specify, she goes out of her way to act as cliché as possible, diverting attention from the fact that she's actually the ''smartest'' of the group.
** Professor Rafe has possibly BecomeTheMask in this regard, but it's very heavily implied that he started acting like an absolute madman to deal with the prejudice he gets as a half-elf.
** Professor Rafe has possibly BecomeTheMask in this regard, but it's very heavily implied that he started acting like an absolute madman to deal with the prejudice he gets as a half-elf.
to:
* ObfuscatingInsanity[=/=]ObfuscatingStupidity: ObfuscatingInsanity[=/=]ObfuscatingStupidity:
** {{Downplayed}}, but Zaruda still qualifies, especially in Volume 1. To specify, she goes out of her way to act as cliché as possible, diverting attention from the fact that she's actually the ''smartest'' of the group.
** Professor Rafe has possiblyBecomeTheMask [[BecomingTheMask Become The Mask]] in this regard, but it's very heavily implied that he started acting like an absolute madman to deal with the prejudice he gets as a half-elf.
** {{Downplayed}}, but Zaruda still qualifies, especially in Volume 1. To specify, she goes out of her way to act as cliché as possible, diverting attention from the fact that she's actually the ''smartest'' of the group.
** Professor Rafe has possibly
Changed line(s) 164 (click to see context) from:
* RedMage: Elven headhunters can use any of the four kinds of magic at will, utterly wrecking the system of [[TacticalRockPaperScissors relative advantages and disadvantages]] and rendering them nigh-unstoppable.
to:
* RedMage: Elven headhunters "headhunters" can use any of the four kinds of magic at will, utterly wrecking the system of [[TacticalRockPaperScissors relative advantages and disadvantages]] and rendering them nigh-unstoppable.nigh-unstoppable. Fortunately they usually don't last very long, being destroyed by their source of power. ''Usually''.
** The author insists that the name of "Unseen University" was unintentional; in any case, Pratchett [[OlderThanSteam didn't originate the idea]].
Changed line(s) 182 (click to see context) from:
* StraightGay: Toby. She does prefer male garb, which is not per local culture.
to:
* StraightGay: PoorlyClosetedGay: Toby. She does prefer prefers male garb, which is not per local culture.culture, and publicly dances with her (drow) girlfriend.
Changed line(s) 193 (click to see context) from:
* WhamLine: When the Archpope Justinian's ultimate plan is revealed.
to:
* WhamLine: When the Archpope Justinian's ultimate plan "ultimate plan" is revealed.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Our Vampires are different.
Added DiffLines:
* OurVampiresAreDifferent: Malivette works the tropes just fine... and she also gets along ''really'' well with Rafe. She's also a graduate of Tellwyrn's university.
---> "I consider myself as patriotic as the next accursed social pariah in a position of unmerited political power …"
---> "I consider myself as patriotic as the next accursed social pariah in a position of unmerited political power …"
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
It's hard to say...
Added DiffLines:
* BlackSpeech: The language of demons was constructed by Scyllith, goddess of cruelty. It shows.
** “This demon, she has a name?” "It’s hard to say,” Toby replied. “What, you didn’t ask?” The Colonel raised an eyebrow. “No, I mean it’s ''hard to say''...”
** “This demon, she has a name?” "It’s hard to say,” Toby replied. “What, you didn’t ask?” The Colonel raised an eyebrow. “No, I mean it’s ''hard to say''...”
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Dark Secret-> Empire With a Dark Secret
Deleted line(s) 85 (click to see context) :
* DarkSecret: The reason why Elilial lest the Pantheon. Supposedly anyone who learns the secret will ''instantly be killed'' by the Pantheon gods... unless they have Elilial's technique for hiding their intentions from the gods.
Added DiffLines:
* EmpireWithADarkSecret: The reason why Elilial left the Pantheon. Supposedly anyone who learns the secret will ''instantly be killed'' by the Pantheon gods... unless they have Elilial's technique for hiding their intentions from the gods.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Dark Secret, reordered one trope
* BornUnlucky: The author. The author's notes at least through book 7 are an epic of vehicular, dental, technological, and other trials, aggravated by poverty.
Deleted line(s) 61 (click to see context) :
* BornUnlucky: The author. The author's notes at least through book 7 are an epic of vehicular, dental, technological, and other trials, aggravated by poverty.
Added DiffLines:
* DarkSecret: The reason why Elilial lest the Pantheon. Supposedly anyone who learns the secret will ''instantly be killed'' by the Pantheon gods... unless they have Elilial's technique for hiding their intentions from the gods.