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*** Possibly with good reason. A hardware failsafe would probably be a lot easier for an enemy to take advantage of if they found out there was one, whereas using the software failsafe would require hacking skill, something not a lot of governments were considered to have back then.
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*** They built six prototypes, the sixth is on display in the hall during the seen before Johnny becomes alive. Number six might not be functional though. Plus they might have felt 55 million rather then 44 was a good idea.

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*** They built six prototypes, the sixth is on display in the hall during the seen before Johnny becomes alive. Number six might not be functional though. Plus they might have felt 55 44 million rather then 44 55 was a good idea.
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*** They built six prototypes, the sixth is on display in the hall during the seen before Johnny becomes alive. Number six might not be functional though. Plus they might have felt 55 million rather then 44 was a good idea.
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** The robots were designed to be thrown in behind enemy lines and have the ability to carry a nuke right into the heart of enemy territory. This does of course mean you would loose the robot in the process but it's easy enough to sacrifice a few hunks of medal that can deliver a crippling blow to an enemy even if they are 11 grand a pop.

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** The robots were designed to be thrown in behind enemy lines and have the ability to carry a nuke right into the heart of enemy territory. This does of course mean you would loose lose the robot in the process but it's easy enough to sacrifice a few hunks of medal that can deliver a crippling blow to an enemy even if they are 11 grand a pop.
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** The "eyebrows" are actually more like "eyelids." Johnny uses them for expressive purposes, but they're pretty clearly armored to protect the eyes. Note, in the first film, that a bullet just deflects off one when the NOVA troops are shooting at Johnny. And the other prototypes keep them mostly closed, probably because they were programmed to in order to protect their optics.
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*** The Sci-Fin genre in general gets a lot of mileage out of that very sticky moral question, whether it is right to use another living being to prolong your own life (TheIsland, for one.)

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*** The Sci-Fin Sci-Fi genre in general gets a lot of mileage out of that very sticky moral question, whether it is right to use another living being to prolong your own life (TheIsland, (Film/TheIsland, for one.)
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*** The Sci-Fin genre in general gets a lot of mileage out of that very sticky moral question, whether it is right to use another living being to prolong your own life (TheIsland, for one.)
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** For this and the next entry, remember that a) the original designer was against the military application, and b) they weren't actually purchased.
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** Embezzlement is actually easier to trace. And they may have had a buyer already lined up who wanted the gems for their private collection and didn't care they were stolen (or was even encouraging their theft).


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** Also remember that they're basically just spinjobbing potential applications for the robots, since it's in prototype phase. The original [=SAINT=] robots were probably largely proof-of-concept, "Well, here's some various applications you could use them for." If the government was interested, it meant that lots of different versions could likely be put forth. The advanced [=AI=] is almost as much the major draw as anything else. "Robot, guard the unit while we take a rest." "Robot, check the road ahead." "Robot, toss me a reload!" Even as they were, they'd make amazing support units, armor one up and it's like mobile cover that can warn you of incoming and provide its own cover fire.
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*** Because "four" doesn't rhyme with "alive."
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*** No, you have a point there; SAINT stands for "Strategic Artificially-Intelligent ''Nuclear'' Transport", and I believe the second movie stated Johnny 5 replaced his unsafe nuclear battery for a more eco-friendly lithium-ion rechargeable battery, so it's possible that the nuclear battery was not just to power the robot, but its laser weapon.

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*** No, you have a point there; SAINT stands for "Strategic Artificially-Intelligent ''Nuclear'' Transport", and I believe the second movie stated Johnny 5 replaced his unsafe nuclear battery for a more eco-friendly lithium-ion lithium-argon rechargeable battery, so it's possible that the nuclear battery was not just to power the robot, but its laser weapon.
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** His battery ran flat? I dunno, there could be any number of reasons why it's not out in the field. The obvious one is, of course, that you can't really turn the Three Stooges gag into a Four Stooges one for the sake of displaying another robot...
**The real question is, if they had the Three Stooges gag planned from the start, why not make the whole SAINT series consist of just four prototypes?
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*** Absolutely this. They have exposed wiring and gears, for Pete's sake - a production model would at **least** have those tucked away somewhere or shielded in a metal conduit, if nothing else to avoid mud and dust getting into them. The SAINT prototypes were never even meant to leave the Nova-owned areas.
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** No. I'm sure no writer ever thought of that story and then "chickened out"; they added those scenes to build up affection and closeness between the two, not to suggest any sort of actual sexual interest. This is a family movie, not a scifi porn flick.
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*** Would you do such a thing if it were possible to back up your mind? If you died there'd be another you around with most of your memories, behaving just like yourself and looking to everyone else as you - but with another mind entirely; you would still be dead.
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** This same argument is brought up in ''StarTrek: The Next Generation'' about Data. Data prefers to be called an "artificial life form".

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** This same argument is brought up in ''StarTrek: The Next Generation'' ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' about Data. Data prefers to be called an "artificial life form".
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* So...what happened to Number Four? Numbers One through Three were stoogified, Number Five is running around free, but Four just vanishes from the movie after the first sequence. Presumably he was scrapped along with the other SAINT prototypes at the end of the first movie, but still...
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** I was thinking that every time Johnny eagerly demanded [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean "Input"]].

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** I was thinking that every time Johnny eagerly demanded [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean "Input"]]."Input".
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*** Probably because if he managed to create a robot fully capable of replacing him, than it would be sentient robot just like him; I kinda doubt that Johnny would be capable of condemning one of his own kind to being locked in a closet it's whole life, being endlessly fed someone's else's memories, just for an pseudo-immortality scheme.

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** As brought up in the movie proper (and in an episode of Star Trek: TNG, as noted above) humans an robots are ''both'' machines, simply of different contructions, therefore sentience ''is'' "life."



** As brought up in the movie proper (and in an episode of Star Trek: TNG, as noted above) humans an robots are ''both'' machines, simply of different contructions, therefore sentience ''is'' "life."


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** I would have the same thought if it wasn't obvious from the beginning that Newton and Stephanie were going to end up together. I think the {{robosexual}} stuff was just for laughs.

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* ''The year: 2011. Twenty-three years ago, SAINT No. "Johnny" 5 was legally declared alive and granted US citizenship. Three years ago, Ben Jahrvi's company -- formerly a manufacturer of children's toys, more recently a manufacturer of domestic and industrial robots -- closed in disgrace after accusations of robot slavery, and millions of sentient machines have entered society. However, anti-robot discrimination and violence are running rampant, and robots speak in hushed whispers of a savior named Saint John who will come and lead them to equality. Meanwhile, Jahrvi's factories have mysteriously begun operating again under the supervision of a heavily modified SAINT-model robot whose plans ''don't'' involve human-robot equality. ''Short Circuit 3.'' Revolution is not a malfunction.'' And they're doing a remake instead? Man, [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot They Wasted A Perfectly Good]] CyberPunk [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot Plot.]]
** So, let's see what science-fiction says about the future. Either [[{{Terminator}} robots have taken over]], [[CaptainPowerAndTheSoldiersOfTheFuture robots have taken over]], [[TheMatrix robots have taken over]], [[Film/IRobot robots have taken over]] or [[PowerRangersRPM robots have taken over]]. What was your plot about, again?
*** I'm proposing transforming a family-friendly (well, apart from the racism, that is...) romantic comedy series about a gentle, pop-culture-quoting robot into an ultra-gritty cyberpunk thriller, and your main objection is that ''it's been done before?'' Well, if it helps, maybe Newton Crosby could show up in the third act with a suit of powered armor...
** Dude, it's a comedy, not a cyber punk movie.
*** [[spoiler:DontExplainTheJoke!]]
** Oh look, it's someone turning something loveable from their childhood all grimdark. [[AustinPowers There's nothing worse than an aging hipster...]]
** Shouldn't this be in WildMassGuessing?

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* ''The year: 2011. Twenty-three years ago, SAINT No. "Johnny" 5 was legally declared alive and granted US citizenship. Three years ago, Ben Jahrvi's company -- formerly a manufacturer of children's toys, more recently a manufacturer of domestic and industrial robots -- closed in disgrace after accusations of robot slavery, and millions of sentient machines have entered society. However, anti-robot discrimination and violence are running rampant, and robots speak in hushed whispers of a savior named Saint John who will come and lead them to equality. Meanwhile, Jahrvi's factories have mysteriously begun operating again under the supervision of a heavily modified SAINT-model robot whose plans ''don't'' involve human-robot equality. ''Short Circuit 3.'' Revolution is not a malfunction.'' And they're doing a remake instead? Man, [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot They Wasted A Perfectly Good]] CyberPunk [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot Plot.]]
** So, let's see what science-fiction says about the future. Either [[{{Terminator}} robots have taken over]], [[CaptainPowerAndTheSoldiersOfTheFuture robots have taken over]], [[TheMatrix robots have taken over]], [[Film/IRobot robots have taken over]] or [[PowerRangersRPM robots have taken over]]. What was your plot about, again?
*** I'm proposing transforming a family-friendly (well, apart from the racism, that is...) romantic comedy series about a gentle, pop-culture-quoting robot into an ultra-gritty cyberpunk thriller, and your main objection is that ''it's been done before?'' Well, if it helps, maybe Newton Crosby could show up in the third act with a suit of powered armor...
** Dude, it's a comedy, not a cyber punk movie.
*** [[spoiler:DontExplainTheJoke!]]
** Oh look, it's someone turning something loveable from their childhood all grimdark. [[AustinPowers There's nothing worse than an aging hipster...]]
** Shouldn't this be in WildMassGuessing?
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** Crosby is very clear about the fact that he didn't design them for military purposes originally, and Marner is very quick to insist to the Senator at the beginning of the first movie that NOVA has plenty of peacetime roles envisaged for the SAINT project (whether they did or not is never stated outright). My wild-assed guess says that Crosby stuck with his original design, but bolted on various bits to make the robots appear more militaristic (lip-light guards etc) - being something of a pacifist himself I'm sure he'd have had no problem spending more of the Pentagon's money than strictly necessary. Of course, Number Five spends the first fifteen minutes of the movie bumping into and falling off things, which remove the additions and reveal Crosby's original design.
** As for "eyebrows", in the original movie you see the other robots (plus a pre-lightning Number Five) perform a demonstration in which they destroy military vehicles with their lasers. Before firing they half-close the "eyebrows" either to aid target acquisition or in preparation to close them in case of blast damage.
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* The [=SAINT=] robots are supposed to be autonomous means of transport for nuclear warheads. You'd expect them to be heavily armored turrets on treads, with enough storage room to keep at least a nuke. Why were they so thin? What did they need ''eyebrows'' for? And where were they supposed to keep the nukes they would deliver?

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** So, let's see what science-fiction says about the future. Either [[{{Terminator}} robots have taken over]], [[CaptainPowerAndTheSoldiersOfTheFuture robots have taken over]], [[TheMatrix robots have taken over]], [[IRobot robots have taken over]] or [[PowerRangersRPM robots have taken over]]. What was your plot about, again?

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** So, let's see what science-fiction says about the future. Either [[{{Terminator}} robots have taken over]], [[CaptainPowerAndTheSoldiersOfTheFuture robots have taken over]], [[TheMatrix robots have taken over]], [[IRobot [[Film/IRobot robots have taken over]] or [[PowerRangersRPM robots have taken over]]. What was your plot about, again?



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*** Also, the $11 million price tag was for a prototype. The SAINT series would probably be a good deal cheaper to build come the production model and possible mass production.

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**** Actually, the S.A.I.N.T. robots were designed to transport nuclear weapons, hence "''Nuclear'' Transport." It doesn't necessarily mean they're nuclear powered. It's possible that the laser weapons are either a) far too heavy for humans to carry around or b) too dangerous due to heat or contamination of some sort. Also in the second movie, Johnny 5 tells Ben that his new battery is an "improvement on your design. Cut the bugs out." meaning that his original battery was inefficient.

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**** Actually, the S.A.I.N.T. robots were designed to transport nuclear weapons, hence "''Nuclear'' Transport."Nuclear ''Transport''." It doesn't necessarily mean they're nuclear powered. It's possible that the laser weapons are either a) far too heavy for humans to carry around or b) too dangerous due to heat or contamination of some sort. Also in the second movie, Johnny 5 tells Ben that his new battery is an "improvement on your design. Cut the bugs out." meaning that his original battery was inefficient.



** The military in movies, from the 60s on down, is almost ''proud'' of their nuclear deterrent force's lack of any such measure - which the Russkies might use to somehow thwart "Operation Gotcha Last" - right up to the moment that The Unthinkable Happens and There's Nothing We Can Do To Stop It. The only difference between this and all the other times is that (they believe) the robot's off to laser some Americans rather than bomb Moscow and start WW3.

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** The military in movies, from the 60s on down, is almost ''proud'' of their nuclear deterrent force's lack of any such measure - which the Russkies might use to somehow thwart "Operation "Operation: Gotcha Last" - right up to the moment that The Unthinkable Happens and There's Nothing We Can Do To Stop It. The only difference between this and all the other times is that (they believe) the robot's off to laser some Americans rather than bomb Moscow and start WW3.


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*** Well, off 'top of my head.. they never said they were supposed to be dropped on cities, only behind enemy lines. So you could drop them in the boonies, then have them trundle in ''under'' air defences that would stop a normal nuclear strike. This is further supported by their pointing out that they have much better resistance to the rigors of survival than soldiers. Another use suggested was they could be dropped behind lines and then left alone for extended periods, then stealthily deploy nukes in the event of the US being invaded or losing a war. IE: 'Gotcha Last'.
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** I was thinking that every time Johnny eagerly demanded [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean "Input"]].
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** Which then leads to the question of: If you can airdrop a robot, why not cut out the middleman and airdrop a bomb? Or deliver it via missile like we already could? What were the gaps in our nuclear delivery capability that the SAINT robots would fill?
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**The robots were designed to be thrown in behind enemy lines and have the ability to carry a nuke right into the heart of enemy territory. This does of course mean you would loose the robot in the process but it's easy enough to sacrifice a few hunks of medal that can deliver a crippling blow to an enemy even if they are 11 grand a pop.

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