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* Do dinosaurs exist in the Avatar world? And if they do, what would they look like? Would they be regular dinosaurs or just more hybrids?
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* What I don't understand is why the war went on for a hundred years JUST BECAUSE the Avatar was gone for that long.
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** Exactly and he doesn't care or give two whits anything about Ozai, much less that branch of the family at that point. All Azulon cared about was the poetic justice, the eye for eye. Azulon doesn't care about whether or not Ozai liked Zuko at all, that's not the point. He just wanted Ozai to lose his first born just as Iroh did. Whether Ozai mourned or not wouldn't mean shit to him. Though...now I do wonder if Ozai didn't mourn at all would lead to Azulon ordering the Death of Azula as well, but then that would leave Azulon with no grandchildren.
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* Another thing about said punishment, How does Azulon not know that Ozai hates Zuko and thus, would NOT feel pain in killing him (In contrast to Iroh who DOES care about and mourn Lu Ten). Even though Ozai doesn't love Azula either and would be willing to kill her if ordered (and again, not wanting her dead would be due to pragmatism only.) There's no indication that Azulon knew that.
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*** But then he tries killing Zuko in the Day of the Black Sun without any thought on the deal he made with Ursa. You think that a man like Ozai would keep his word?
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* In The ember Island Players, one scene makes fun of the Fire Nation defeat at the North Pole. Now, we know that a lot of Fire Nation soldiers must have died offscreen (if they weren't killed by the Water Tribe warriors, then they were killed by Koizilla.) and the seige as a whole was a pretty huge defeat for the Fire Nation. The Seige of the North only happened a few months prior to the play's performance. Wouldn't this have fallen under TooSoon and a lot of people complained to the theater company? (While the Fire Nation would have believed they had pretty much won by that point, surely at least one of the families who lost a son or daughter would have been upset.)

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* In The ember Island Players, one scene makes fun of the Fire Nation defeat at the North Pole. Now, we know that a lot of Fire Nation soldiers must have died offscreen (if they weren't killed by the Water Tribe warriors, then they were killed by Koizilla.) and the seige as a whole was a pretty huge defeat for the Fire Nation. The Seige of the North only happened a few months prior to the play's performance. Wouldn't this have fallen under TooSoon been too soon and a lot of people complained to the theater company? (While the Fire Nation would have believed they had pretty much won by that point, surely at least one of the families who lost a son or daughter would have been upset.)
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** Maybe him being conscious served to remind the prison guards that he's still the one in charge. If he'd been knocked out, then they could consider him incapacitated as their leader and pass the authority down to his second-in-command.
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** The Order of the White Lotus is all over the place, all it would take would eb one operative somewhere in the prison to get a message out.

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** The Order of the White Lotus is all over the place, all it would take would eb be one operative somewhere in the prison to get a message out.
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** Perhaps the OP isn't familiar with a little place called UsefulNotes/SaudiArabia. As of 2012, it's still an ''absolute monarchy'' without even the pretensions of civilian oversight, where women are forced by law to cover from head to toe in black (making {{Iran}}'s dress code positively liberal in comparison) and people can be executed for ''''sorcery'''' just because a citizen feels ill in their presence. Try going over there and changing the rules of ''that'' tribe, and you'll either be deported, if you're lucky, or beaten to death on the streets by the fanatical religious militia for challenging their 'traditional values'. If anything, the Northern Water Tribe's sexism was far too easily put aside.

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** Perhaps the OP isn't familiar with a little place called UsefulNotes/SaudiArabia. As of 2012, it's still an ''absolute monarchy'' without even the pretensions of civilian oversight, where women are forced by law to cover from head to toe in black (making {{Iran}}'s UsefulNotes/{{Iran}}'s dress code positively liberal in comparison) and people can be executed for ''''sorcery'''' just because a citizen feels ill in their presence. Try going over there and changing the rules of ''that'' tribe, and you'll either be deported, if you're lucky, or beaten to death on the streets by the fanatical religious militia for challenging their 'traditional values'. If anything, the Northern Water Tribe's sexism was far too easily put aside.



*** Lets not forget that Azula can fly, not very well, but she can rocket herself forward with her flames. That should have given her plenty of distance in short time.

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*** Lets not forget that Azula can fly, not very well, but she can rocket herself forward with her flames. That should have given her plenty of distance in a short time.
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** Fire Lord word is law. He can't turn it down. Azulon wanted the first born dead as poetic justice as Iroh lost his first and only born. And don't think for a second, not even one, if you think that he loves Azula more than Zuko. Azula's just a more loyal attack dog and a better weapon to him. He'd kill Azula if that was the order from Azulon.
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* Why was Ozai’s punishment from Azulon to kill his firstborn son specifically? I get the most obvious logic — Iroh lost his firstborn, so Ozai has to do the same — but if Azulon arranged this so that Ozai would understand his brother’s pain, why not have him kill the child he actually cares about to some degree? I don’t see Ozai being too broken up if Zuni has been killed on the battlefield, for example.

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* Why was Ozai’s punishment from Azulon to kill his firstborn son specifically? I get the most obvious logic — Iroh lost his firstborn, so Ozai has to do the same — but if Azulon arranged this so that Ozai would understand his brother’s pain, why not have him kill the child he actually cares about to some degree? I don’t see It could be argued that Ozai being too doesn’t really “love” either of his children as much as Iroh did Lu-ten, but if Azula had died, he would still be more broken up about it than if Zuni has been killed on the battlefield, for example.it were Zuko.
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* Why was Ozai’s punishment from Azulon to kill his firstborn son specifically? I get the most obvious logic — Iroh lost his firstborn, so Ozai has to do the same — but if Azulon arranged this so that Ozai would understand his brother’s pain, why not have him kill the child he actually cares about to some degree? I don’t see Ozai being too broken up if Zuni has been killed on the battlefield, for example.
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** No one philosophy or set of morals is all applicable. Personally, I study various philosophies and viewpoints and apply whichever works at a point in time. Sometimes, honesty is the best policy, other times a little lie will defuse a situation before the truth makes things worse. As Iroh said in Tales of Ba Sing Se. "It is always important to admit wrong and apologize, then seek to restore honor...unless the guy you wronged is going to physically harm you, then get the hell out of there."
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** It's not that nobody ''cares'', it's that it's something they're not specifically watching for. Sokka and Zuko still had to sneak around, after all. But as far as the Fire Nation knows, they control the only ways in and out. Going in through hot air balloon, as shown in the episode, makes the balloon fall into the water. They can see all around, so boating in and out isn't really an option. And they control the gondola.
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** But why wouldn't they care about people breaking in? Even if they think the prison is so inescapable, anyone who manages to sneak in could be smuggling in weapons to fight the guards, explosives that could aid in an escape, or even a water or earthbender who could create a path leading off of the island.
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** Once Aang learns how to do it he wouldn't need help.


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** The plan would have been to use their enhanced powers to overwhelm the most secured Earth Kingdom targets. They most likely would have used the comet to blast their way into Ba Sing Se and massacre the people there to effectively end the war, it's just Azula managed to take it on her own so they turned their attention to lesser targets.


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** Because nobody is watching for people breaking IN to the prison, nobody cares if you break in. The only way into the prison is to fly (something only the fire nation has the ability to do and even then only recently, or by the gondola. They control the gondola so nobody was worried that someone unexpected would get in, and even if they did they've just trapped themselves. We even get to see that there aren't that many guards in the place because they aren't needed since there's nowhere for prisoners to go and any rebellion is easily contained.


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** Different people have different values and people, especially children, tend to be inconsistent about what's important to them.
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* I am slightly bothered by this show's habit of sending extremely mixed messages throughout its run: for example, in "Return to Omashu", the team convinces the rebels to evacuate the city and go for the chance to strike back in the future instead of launching an immediate attack when the odds are stocked against them. But then in "The Boiling Rock", Zuko straight-up tells Sokka that you shouldn't quit at something just because you ''might fail'' and that you ''have to'' try ''every time''. And then in the finale, we have half the cast forgoing honor and valor and going for pragmatic solutions while the other half act as though the most honorable solution is the one to be strived for, regardless of whether there's a more practical solution.

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* I am slightly bothered by this show's habit of sending extremely mixed messages throughout its run: for example, in "Return to Omashu", the team convinces the rebels to evacuate the city and go for the chance to strike back in the future instead of launching an immediate attack when the odds are stocked against them. But then in "The Boiling Rock", Zuko straight-up tells Sokka that you shouldn't quit at something just because you ''might fail'' and that you ''have to'' try ''every time''. And then in the finale, we have half the cast forgoing honor and valor and going for pragmatic solutions while the other half act as though the most honorable solution is the one to be strived for, regardless of whether there's a more practical solution.one at hand.
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* I am slightly bothered by this show's habit of sending extremely mixed messages throughout its run: for example, in "Return to Omashu", the team convinces the rebels to evacuate the city and go for the chance to strike back in the future instead of launching an immediate attack when the odds are stocked against them. But then in "The Boiling Rock", Zuko straight-up tells Sokka that you shouldn't quit at something just because you ''might fail'' and that you ''have to'' try ''every time''. And then in the finale, we have half the cast forgoing honor and valor and going for pragmatic solutions while the other half act as though the most honorable solution is the one to be strived for, regardless of whether there's a more practical solution.
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* All right, I know that Aang technically has GrayEyes. But there are just as many shots of him with gray eyes as there are of him with brown, or green, or even blue eyes. What's up with that? Is that what gray eyes look like in RealLife, or does Aang have KaleidoscopeEyes?

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* All right, I know that Aang technically has GrayEyes.gray eyes. But there are just as many shots of him with gray eyes as there are of him with brown, or green, or even blue eyes. What's up with that? Is that what gray eyes look like in RealLife, or does Aang have KaleidoscopeEyes?
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*** Earthbenders can't bend wood. It's the same reason why they kept Ghazan in a wooden prison in Korra's time. They weren't worried or knew about her metal bending, they were worried about the earth bending.
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** No he couldn't bring himself to do it, no he didn't want to do it, and no he wasn't going to do it. That was the entire point of him finding the lion turtle in the first place. He desired a different means of defeating Ozai without killing him; and thus found one through the lion turtle.
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**...Also, it makes for a really weird call back to season 2: If they cut the gondola line, he'll fall and die. If they don't and the prisoners escape, he's got to answer to Azula. Hence, ''CUT THE LINE!''


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** Odds are good that the siege would've been done across the land to do as much damage as possible. Scorched Earth is a viable strategy. The birth of aerial combat via blimps and what not gave them an accelerated means of accomplishing the task; but had they not have air support, there would've been other means Ozai was bound to take.
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* I wasn't quite sure where to put this because it bugs me on so many levels, so here goes: what the hell was going on at the end of "The Chase"? So Azula "surrenders" (and no one sees through it), then she hits Iroh with lightning, who so far was the only person in the series to stand up to her and redirect her lightning, a technique only he knew. When he falls, Aang, Zuko Katara and Toph bend their elements at her(which for Toph really doesn't make much sense). So Azula shields herself with... fire? How does that work? Then the whole WesternAnimation/{{Captain Planet|and the Planeteers}} nightmare explodes(?!?), Azula disappears, [[YouFailPhysicsForever and the whole town is on fire]]. So, uh, what part of this makes sense?

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* I wasn't quite sure where to put this because it bugs me on so many levels, so here goes: what the hell was going on at the end of "The Chase"? So Azula "surrenders" (and no one sees through it), then she hits Iroh with lightning, who so far was the only person in the series to stand up to her and redirect her lightning, a technique only he knew. When he falls, Aang, Zuko Katara and Toph bend their elements at her(which for Toph really doesn't make much sense). So Azula shields herself with... fire? How does that work? Then the whole WesternAnimation/{{Captain Planet|and the Planeteers}} nightmare explodes(?!?), Azula disappears, [[YouFailPhysicsForever [[ArtisticLicensePhysics and the whole town is on fire]]. So, uh, what part of this makes sense?
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* How did Sokka and Zuko make it into the Boiling Rock and find the room with the guard uniforms without drawing any attention to themselves? For all that the episode builds the prison up as being inescapable, it just brushes past all the details of how they got inside to begin with.
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** ''no one in the entire Fire Nation colonies or even most of the Fire Nation proper knows how Zuko got his scar'' That is an unsupported assumption. The show never states that ''no one'' knows it. As for why they'd know the story but not recognize him? Stories spread more easily than pictures in a society with a tech level like the Avatar world. You're also comparing the early season -- when Zuko is an exile, but still part of the Fire Nation and the royal family -- to the latter season, when he's a wanted fugitive. In the first instance, the details might not be spread to avoid embarrassment; in the latter, the story will be spread to make it more likely someone can catch him.

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** ''no one in the entire Fire Nation colonies or even most of the Fire Nation proper knows how Zuko got his scar'' That is an unsupported assumption. The show never states that ''no one'' knows it. As for why they'd know the story but not recognize him? Stories spread more easily than pictures in a society with a tech level like the Avatar world. You're also comparing the early season -- when Zuko is an exile, but still part of the Fire Nation and the royal family -- to the latter season, when he's a wanted fugitive. In the first instance, the details might not be spread to avoid embarrassment; in the latter, the story will be spread to make it more likely someone can catch him.him.
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*** That doesn't sound likely. If the generals had known how loyal the Dai Li were to Long Feng, they probably would've warned the Earth King about it once the conspiracy was exposed, which would've prevented Azula's coup from happening in the first place. It's more likely that they were as much in the dark as the king was with regard to how much he knew.
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*** And remember, at this point, Zuko's still stuck trying to decide whose side he's on. While he was exiled from the Fire Nation, he couldn't honestly say that he'd forsaken their conquering ways just yet. Especially when his identity was revealed to them by him proudly announcing himself as the crown prince moments before.
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** As for "Was his father in that much danger?", Sokka didn't set out to save only his father originally. He asked Zuko where the war prisoners as a whole would be taken, and Zuko told him the likeliest answer was to the Boiling Rock. They went there in order to save whoever they could find. Neither knew that only the two leaders were being held there.
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** Specifically, one of the fire blasts comes from Aang's mouth, two from his hands, and the final two through his feet. Ozai manages a few different combinations of these himself, but he's never shown pulling off all five at once.
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* In "Zuko Alone," Zuko reveals his identity in a tiny, backwater, landlocked village in the Earth Kingdom, and the townspeople immediately recognize him AND know his backstory. Yet no one in the entire Fire Nation colonies or even most of the Fire Nation proper knows how Zuko got his scar, or recognizes him at all. How in the heck did a little village on the other side of the world end up with that knowledge?

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* In "Zuko Alone," Zuko reveals his identity in a tiny, backwater, landlocked village in the Earth Kingdom, and the townspeople immediately recognize him AND know his backstory. Yet no one in the entire Fire Nation colonies or even most of the Fire Nation proper knows how Zuko got his scar, or recognizes him at all. How in the heck did a little village on the other side of the world end up with that knowledge?knowledge?
** ''no one in the entire Fire Nation colonies or even most of the Fire Nation proper knows how Zuko got his scar'' That is an unsupported assumption. The show never states that ''no one'' knows it. As for why they'd know the story but not recognize him? Stories spread more easily than pictures in a society with a tech level like the Avatar world. You're also comparing the early season -- when Zuko is an exile, but still part of the Fire Nation and the royal family -- to the latter season, when he's a wanted fugitive. In the first instance, the details might not be spread to avoid embarrassment; in the latter, the story will be spread to make it more likely someone can catch him.
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* The reason Aang has to defeat Ozai before the comet arrives is given as: Ozai will use it to end the war with a blow so devastating that even Aang wouldn't be able to restore balance to the world. But what sort of final blow did Ozai have in mind? Burning down the Earth Kingdom was only possible because the Fire Nation had developed airships, which were only created after they found a discarded one after the battle at the Northern Air Temple. What was his plan for before they discovered that?

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* The reason Aang has to defeat Ozai before the comet arrives is given as: Ozai will use it to end the war with a blow so devastating that even Aang wouldn't be able to restore balance to the world. But what sort of final blow did Ozai have in mind? Burning down the Earth Kingdom was only possible because the Fire Nation had developed airships, which were only created after they found a discarded one after the battle at the Northern Air Temple. What was his plan for before they discovered that?that?
* In "Zuko Alone," Zuko reveals his identity in a tiny, backwater, landlocked village in the Earth Kingdom, and the townspeople immediately recognize him AND know his backstory. Yet no one in the entire Fire Nation colonies or even most of the Fire Nation proper knows how Zuko got his scar, or recognizes him at all. How in the heck did a little village on the other side of the world end up with that knowledge?

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