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* FaceDeathWithDignity: [[spoiler: When Kingpin begins to attack R'as for not having an antidote to her illness, Vanessa stops him, and says to let it go, and let her die with dignity.]] [[spoiler: Thankfully, she doesn't have to as Talia manages to procure her the antidote needed.]]
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* FaceDeathWithDignity: [[spoiler: When Kingpin begins to attack R'as Ra's for not lying about having an antidote to her illness, Vanessa stops him, and says to let it go, and let her die with dignity.]] [[spoiler: Thankfully, she doesn't have to as Talia manages to procure her the antidote needed.]]
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* ManipulativeBastard: Ra's Al Ghul, as usual. Turns out ''he'' was the one who infected Vanessa with a man-made virus that imitates cancer, all so he would could essentially BlackMail Kingpin into working for him and destroy New York City.
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* ManipulativeBastard: Ra's Al Ghul, as usual. Turns out ''he'' was the one who infected Vanessa with a man-made virus that imitates cancer, all so he would could essentially BlackMail {{Blackmail}} Kingpin into working for him and destroy New York City.
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-->'''Ra's Al Ghul''': I will '''never''' allow you to take her from me! Talia is my heart... my soul... my future! I'd rather she were dead-- than at '''your side'''!
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* NotSoDifferentRemark: When Kingpin learns that Ra’s Al Ghul was the one who poisoned his wife with an incurable illness to serve his own purposes, he’s [[EvenEvilHasStandards outright disgusted]], only for Ra’s Al Ghul to point out that he would probably do the same.
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* NotSoDifferentRemark: NotSoDifferentRemark:
** When Kingpin learns that Ra’s Al Ghul was the one who poisoned his wife with an incurable illness to serve his own purposes, he’s [[EvenEvilHasStandards outright disgusted]], only for Ra’s Al Ghul to point out that he would probably do the same.
** When Kingpin learns that Ra’s Al Ghul was the one who poisoned his wife with an incurable illness to serve his own purposes, he’s [[EvenEvilHasStandards outright disgusted]], only for Ra’s Al Ghul to point out that he would probably do the same.
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** Talia and Vanessa discuss what it's like being family to two profoundly evil men and trying to see their better nature.
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--> '''Spider-Man''': [[YouJustHadToSayIt Me and my BIG MOUTH!]]
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** When Kingpin learns that Ra’s Al Ghul was the one who poisoned his wife with an incurable illness to serve his own purposes, he’s [[EvenEvilHasStandards outright disgusted]], only for Ra’s Al Ghul to point out that he would probably do the same.
** When Kingpin learns that Ra’s Al Ghul was the one who poisoned his wife with an incurable illness to serve his own purposes, he’s [[EvenEvilHasStandards outright disgusted]], only for Ra’s Al Ghul to point out that he would probably do the same.
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* NotSoDifferent:
**NotSoDifferentRemark: When Kingpin learns that Ra’s Al Ghul was the one who poisoned his wife with an incurable illness to serve his own purposes, he’s [[EvenEvilHasStandards outright disgusted]], only for Ra’s Al Ghul to point out that he would probably do the same.
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** Batman and Spider-Man also turn out to have a few things in common, such as a fondness for old movies like ''Film/RoadToMorocco''.
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* TwoScenesOneDialogue: Occurs when Batman and Talia are telling Spidey and the Kingpin respectively about Ra's. Of course, Talia's dialogue paints the Demon's Head up as a visionary, while Batman's makes him out to be the madman he truly is.
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'''Ra's Al Ghul''': [[WhamLine You]]...?
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'''Ra's Al Ghul''': [[WhamLine [[ArmorPiercingResponse You]]...?
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* DisproportionateRetribution: Kingpin kills a doctor who's unable to cure his wife. He probably would have many other doctors if couldn't save Vanessa if Talia hadn't arrived to convince him on the deal.
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* DisproportionateRetribution: Kingpin kills a doctor who's unable to cure his wife. He probably would have killed many other doctors if couldn't save Vanessa others if Talia hadn't arrived to convince him on the deal.
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* DisproportionateRetribution: Kingpin kills a doctor who's unable to cure his wife. He probably could have continued to do so if Talia hadn't arrived to convince him on the deal.
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* DisproportionateRetribution: Kingpin kills a doctor who's unable to cure his wife. He probably could would have continued to do so many other doctors if couldn't save Vanessa if Talia hadn't arrived to convince him on the deal.
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* DeathWithDignity: When Kingpin begins to attack R'as for not having an antidote to her illness, Vanessa stops him, and says to let it go, and let her die with dignity.
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* FaceDeathWithDignity: [[spoiler: Vanessa eventually chooses this and pleads with her husband to accept her wishes.]] [[spoiler: Thankfully, she doesn't have to as Talia manages to procure her the antidote needed.]]
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* FaceDeathWithDignity: [[spoiler: When Kingpin begins to attack R'as for not having an antidote to her illness, Vanessa eventually chooses this stops him, and pleads says to let it go, and let her die with her husband to accept her wishes.dignity.]] [[spoiler: Thankfully, she doesn't have to as Talia manages to procure her the antidote needed.]]
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* DeathWithDignity: When Kingpin begins to attack R'as for not having an antidote to her illness, Vanessa stops him, and says to let it go, and let her die with dignity.
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''Batman & Spider-Man: New Age Dawning'' is a 1997 one-shot crossover by J. M Matthews and a sequel to ''ComicBook/SpiderManAndBatmanDisorderedMinds''.
When Wilson Fisk's beloved wife Vanessa becomes terminally ill with an untreatable form of cancer, he turns to Ra's Al Ghul for help. Ra's offers him a cure, but on the condition of New York City going under the ocean. Ultimately, it's up to Batman and Spider-Man teaming up to put a stop to it.
When Wilson Fisk's beloved wife Vanessa becomes terminally ill with an untreatable form of cancer, he turns to Ra's Al Ghul for help. Ra's offers him a cure, but on the condition of New York City going under the ocean. Ultimately, it's up to Batman and Spider-Man teaming up to put a stop to it.
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When [[ComicBook/TheKingpin Wilson
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* DatingCatwoman: As usual, Batman and Talia’s relationship is complicated. On the one hand, her feelings for him are genuine, but so is her devotion to her father.
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* DatingCatwoman: As usual, Batman and Talia’s ComicBook/TaliaAlGhul's relationship is complicated. On the one hand, her feelings for him are genuine, but so is her devotion to her father.
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* VillainTeamUp: Between the Kingpin and Ra's Al Ghul, [[{{Blackmail}} but not exactly out of mutual benefit]]. [[spoiler:Plus, Fisk was never really on Ra's Al Ghul's side to begin with.]]
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* VillainTeamUp: Between the Kingpin and Ra's Al Ghul, [[{{Blackmail}} but not exactly out of mutual benefit]]. [[spoiler:Plus, Fisk was never really on Ra's Al Ghul's side to begin with.]]]]
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According to what I've read, it was 1997.
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''Batman & Spider-Man: New Age Dawning'' is a 1998 one-shot crossover by J. M Matthews and a sequel to ''ComicBook/SpiderManAndBatmanDisorderedMinds''.
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''Batman & Spider-Man: New Age Dawning'' is a 1998 1997 one-shot crossover by J. M Matthews and a sequel to ''ComicBook/SpiderManAndBatmanDisorderedMinds''.
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* IfIWantedYouDead: Batman tells Spider-Man to accept Ra's' GraceLoser offer to leave, because they're in ''Ra's'' domain, and if he wanted, he, Spider-Man and Fisk would find themselves dead very quickly.
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* IfIWantedYouDead: Batman tells Spider-Man to accept Ra's' GraceLoser GracefulLoser offer to leave, because they're in ''Ra's'' domain, and if he wanted, he, Spider-Man and Fisk would find themselves dead very quickly.
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* IfIWantedYouDead: Batman tells Spider-Man to accept Ra's' GraceLoser offer to leave, because they're in ''Ra's'' domain, and if he wanted, he, Spider-Man and Fisk would find themselves dead very quickly.
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* TheMole: [[spoiler:The Kingpin himself. He ''contacted'' Spider-Man and helped smuggle Spidey and Bats to Ra's hideout.]]
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* TheChessmaster: [[spoiler: Fisk was this the whole time, tricking Ra's into thinking he had agreed with his plans, only to sabotage everything from within so Ra's would be forced to honor their agreement.]]
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* TheChessmaster: [[spoiler: Fisk [[spoiler:Fisk was this the whole time, tricking Ra's into thinking he had agreed with his plans, only to sabotage everything from within so Ra's would be forced to honor their agreement.]]
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* EnemyMine: [[spoiler: Despite being Spider-Man's enemy, Fisk turned to him and Batman for help in taking Ra's Al Ghul down and getting a cure for Vanessa's illness.]]
* EvenEvilHasStandards: Spider-Man thought Fisk has them, seeing how his allegiance with Ra's Al Ghul would result in the deaths of millions of people.
** [[spoiler: Turns out, he was right, as Fisk decided to sabotage the satellite from the beginning and invited Batman and Spider-Man to come with him to Ra's Al Ghul's hideout.]]
* EvenEvilHasStandards: Spider-Man thought Fisk has them, seeing how his allegiance with Ra's Al Ghul would result in the deaths of millions of people.
** [[spoiler: Turns out, he was right, as Fisk decided to sabotage the satellite from the beginning and invited Batman and Spider-Man to come with him to Ra's Al Ghul's hideout.]]
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* EnemyMine: [[spoiler: Despite [[spoiler:Despite being Spider-Man's enemy, Fisk turned to him and Batman for help in taking Ra's Al Ghul down and getting a cure for Vanessa's illness.]]
* EvenEvilHasStandards: Spider-Man thought Fisk has them, seeing how his allegiance with Ra's Al Ghul would result in the deaths of millions ofpeople.
**people. [[spoiler: Turns out, he was right, as Fisk decided to sabotage the satellite from the beginning and invited Batman and Spider-Man to come with him to Ra's Al Ghul's hideout.]]
* EvenEvilHasStandards: Spider-Man thought Fisk has them, seeing how his allegiance with Ra's Al Ghul would result in the deaths of millions of
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* GoodAllAlong: Well... sort of. [[spoiler: Turns out, Fisk never had any real intention of drowning New York City and had actually rigged Ra’s weather altering satellite to detonate. The truth was, he wanted Batman and Spider-Man to follow him to help stop Ra’s Al Ghul.]]
* GracefulLoser: Instead of being outraged of having his plans foiled, Ra’s Al Ghul actually gets a big laugh out of it, commending [[spoiler: Fisk]] for outsmarting him and lets him, Batman and Spider-Man go without a fight. [[spoiler: [[KickTheDog Although he reveals that there was never really an antidote for Vanessa's illness -- which turns out to be another lie, as Talia sends Batman the antidote to give to Spidey who in turns gives it to Wilson]].]]
* GracefulLoser: Instead of being outraged of having his plans foiled, Ra’s Al Ghul actually gets a big laugh out of it, commending [[spoiler: Fisk]] for outsmarting him and lets him, Batman and Spider-Man go without a fight. [[spoiler: [[KickTheDog Although he reveals that there was never really an antidote for Vanessa's illness -- which turns out to be another lie, as Talia sends Batman the antidote to give to Spidey who in turns gives it to Wilson]].]]
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* GoodAllAlong: Well... sort of. [[spoiler: Turns [[spoiler:Turns out, Fisk never had any real intention of drowning New York City and had actually rigged Ra’s Ra’s's weather altering satellite to detonate. The truth was, he wanted Batman and Spider-Man to follow him to help stop Ra’s Al Ghul.]]
* GracefulLoser: Instead of being outraged of having his plans foiled, Ra’s Al Ghul actually gets a big laugh out of it, commending[[spoiler: Fisk]] [[spoiler:Fisk]] for outsmarting him and lets him, Batman and Spider-Man go without a fight. [[spoiler: [[KickTheDog [[spoiler:[[KickTheDog Although he reveals that there was never really an antidote for Vanessa's illness -- which turns out to be another lie, as Talia sends Batman the antidote to give to Spidey who in turns gives it to Wilson]].]]
* GracefulLoser: Instead of being outraged of having his plans foiled, Ra’s Al Ghul actually gets a big laugh out of it, commending
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--> '''Talia''': I am here at my father's side for the same reason that I love you: Not because I'm ''compelled'' to- but because I ''choose'' to.
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--> '''Talia''': I am here at my father's side for the same reason that I love you: Not because I'm ''compelled'' to- to -- but because I ''choose'' to.
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* VillainTeamUp: Between the Kingpin and Ra's Al Ghul, [[{{Blackmail}} but not exactly out of mutual benefit]]. [[spoiler: Plus, Fisk was never really on Ra's Al Ghul's side to begin with.]]
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* VillainTeamUp: Between the Kingpin and Ra's Al Ghul, [[{{Blackmail}} but not exactly out of mutual benefit]]. [[spoiler: Plus, [[spoiler:Plus, Fisk was never really on Ra's Al Ghul's side to begin with.]]
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* DisproportionateRetribution: Kingpin kills a doctor who's unable to cure his wife. He probably could have continued to do so if Talia hadn't arrived to convince him on the deal.
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* GracefulLoser: Instead of being outraged of having his plans foiled, Ra’s Al Ghul actually gets a big laugh out of it, commending [[spoiler: Fisk]] for outsmarting him and lets him, Batman and Spider-Man go without a fight. [[spoiler: [[KickTheDog Although he reveals that there was never really an antidote for Vanessa’s illness -- which turns out to be another lie, as Talia sends Batman the antidote to give to Spidey who in turns gives it to Wilson]].]]
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* GracefulLoser: Instead of being outraged of having his plans foiled, Ra’s Al Ghul actually gets a big laugh out of it, commending [[spoiler: Fisk]] for outsmarting him and lets him, Batman and Spider-Man go without a fight. [[spoiler: [[KickTheDog Although he reveals that there was never really an antidote for Vanessa’s Vanessa's illness -- which turns out to be another lie, as Talia sends Batman the antidote to give to Spidey who in turns gives it to Wilson]].]]
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** When King Pin learns that Ra’s Al Ghul was the one who poisoned his wife with an incurable illness to serve his own purposes, he’s [[EvenEvilHasStandards outright disgusted]], only for Ra’s Al Ghul to point out that he would probably do the same.
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** When King Pin Kingpin learns that Ra’s Al Ghul was the one who poisoned his wife with an incurable illness to serve his own purposes, he’s [[EvenEvilHasStandards outright disgusted]], only for Ra’s Al Ghul to point out that he would probably do the same.
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* PetTheDog: While Talia remains by her father's side this time, she does manage to produce an antidote for Vanessa’s illness and has Batman and Spider-Man deliver it to her.
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* PetTheDog: While Talia remains by her father's side this time, she does manage to produce an antidote for Vanessa’s Vanessa's illness and has Batman and Spider-Man deliver it to her.
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* VillainTeamUp: Between the Kingpin and Ra's Al Ghul, [[BlackMail but not exactly out of mutual benefit]]. [[spoiler: Plus, Fisk was never really on Ra's Al Ghul's side to begin with.]]
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* VillainTeamUp: Between the Kingpin and Ra's Al Ghul, [[BlackMail [[{{Blackmail}} but not exactly out of mutual benefit]]. [[spoiler: Plus, Fisk was never really on Ra's Al Ghul's side to begin with.]]
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* MythologyGag: Near the end, Talia uses Bruce's own words to the Riddler from the end of ''Film/BatmanForever'' to explain her conflicting loyalty towards both her father and Batman:
--> '''Talia''': I am here at my father's side for the same reason that I love you: Not because I'm ''compelled'' to- but because I ''choose'' to.
--> '''Talia''': I am here at my father's side for the same reason that I love you: Not because I'm ''compelled'' to- but because I ''choose'' to.
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* EnemyMine: [[spoiler: Despite being Spider-Man's enemy, Fisk turned to him and Batman for help in taking Fisk down and getting a cure for Vanessa's illness.]]
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* EnemyMine: [[spoiler: Despite being Spider-Man's enemy, Fisk turned to him and Batman for help in taking Fisk Ra's Al Ghul down and getting a cure for Vanessa's illness.]]
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** [[spoiler: Turns out, he was right, as Fisk decided to sabotage the satellite from the beginning and invited Batman and Spider-Man to come with him and help sabotage Ra's Al Ghul's plans.]]
* EvenEvilHasLovedOnes: As usual, Fisk's unconditional love for Vanessa is presented as one of his most redeeming qualities. Everything he does is to cure his illness.
* EvenEvilHasLovedOnes: As usual, Fisk's unconditional love for Vanessa is presented as one of his most redeeming qualities. Everything he does is to cure his illness.
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** [[spoiler: Turns out, he was right, as Fisk decided to sabotage the satellite from the beginning and invited Batman and Spider-Man to come with him and help sabotage to Ra's Al Ghul's plans.hideout.]]
*EvenEvilHasLovedOnes: EvenEvilHasLovedOnes:
** As usual, Fisk's unconditional love for Vanessa is presented as one of his most redeeming qualities. Everything he does is to curehis her illness.
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** As usual, Fisk's unconditional love for Vanessa is presented as one of his most redeeming qualities. Everything he does is to cure
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* FaceDeathWithDignity: [[spoiler: Vanessa eventually chooses this and pleads with her husband to do the same. [[spoiler: Thankfully, she doesn't have to as Talia manages to procure her the antidote needed.]]
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* FaceDeathWithDignity: [[spoiler: Vanessa eventually chooses this and pleads with her husband to do the same. accept her wishes.]] [[spoiler: Thankfully, she doesn't have to as Talia manages to procure her the antidote needed.]]
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* GracefulLoser: Instead of being outraged of having his plans foiled, Ra’s Al Ghul actually get's a big laugh out of it, commending [[spoiler: Fisk]] for outsmarting him and lets him, Batman and Spider-Man go without a fight. [[spoiler: [[KickTheDog Although he reveals that there was never really an antidote for Vanessa’s illness -- which turns out to be another lie, as Talia sends Batman the antidote to give to Spidey who in turns gives it to Wilson]].]]
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* GracefulLoser: Instead of being outraged of having his plans foiled, Ra’s Al Ghul actually get's gets a big laugh out of it, commending [[spoiler: Fisk]] for outsmarting him and lets him, Batman and Spider-Man go without a fight. [[spoiler: [[KickTheDog Although he reveals that there was never really an antidote for Vanessa’s illness -- which turns out to be another lie, as Talia sends Batman the antidote to give to Spidey who in turns gives it to Wilson]].]]
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* ManipulativeBastard: Ra's Al Ghul, as usual. Turns out ''he'' was the one who infected Vanessa with a manmade virus that imitates cancer, all so he would could essentially BlackMail Kingpin into working for him and destroy New York City.
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* ManipulativeBastard: Ra's Al Ghul, as usual. Turns out ''he'' was the one who infected Vanessa with a manmade man-made virus that imitates cancer, all so he would could essentially BlackMail Kingpin into working for him and destroy New York City.
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* NotSoDifferent: When King Pin learns that Ra’s Al Ghul was the one who poisoned his wife with an incurable illness to serve his own purposes, he’s outright disgusted, only for Ra’s Al Ghul to point out that he would probably do the same.
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* NotSoDifferent: NotSoDifferent:
** When King Pin learns that Ra’s Al Ghul was the one who poisoned his wife with an incurable illness to serve his own purposes, he’s [[EvenEvilHasStandards outrightdisgusted, disgusted]], only for Ra’s Al Ghul to point out that he would probably do the same.
** When King Pin learns that Ra’s Al Ghul was the one who poisoned his wife with an incurable illness to serve his own purposes, he’s [[EvenEvilHasStandards outright
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'''Ra's Al Ghul''': You...?[[WhamLine You]]...?
** Batman and Spider-Man also turn out to have a few things in common, such as a fondness for old movies like ''Film/RoadToMorocco''.
** Batman and Spider-Man also turn out to have a few things in common, such as a fondness for old movies like ''Film/RoadToMorocco''.
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* VillainTeamUp: Between the Kingpin and Ra's Al Ghul, but not exactly out of mutual benefit. [[spoiler: Plus, Fisk was never really on Ra's Al Ghul's side to begin with.]]
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* VillainTeamUp: Between the Kingpin and Ra's Al Ghul, [[BlackMail but not exactly out of mutual benefit.benefit]]. [[spoiler: Plus, Fisk was never really on Ra's Al Ghul's side to begin with.]]
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''Batman & Spider-Man: New Age Dawning'' is a 1998 one-shot crossover by J. M Matthews and a sequel to ComicBook/SpiderManAndBatmanDisorderedMinds.
''ComicBook/SpiderManAndBatmanDisorderedMinds''.
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* EnemyMine: [[spoiler: Despite being Spider-Man’s enemy, Fisk turned to him and Batman for help in taking Fisk down and getting a cure for Vanessa's illness.]]
* EvenEvilHasStandards: Spider-Man thought Fisk has them, seeing how his allegiance with Ra’s Al Ghul would result in the deaths of millions of people.
* EvenEvilHasStandards: Spider-Man thought Fisk has them, seeing how his allegiance with Ra’s Al Ghul would result in the deaths of millions of people.
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* EnemyMine: [[spoiler: Despite being Spider-Man’s Spider-Man's enemy, Fisk turned to him and Batman for help in taking Fisk down and getting a cure for Vanessa's illness.]]
* EvenEvilHasStandards: Spider-Man thought Fisk has them, seeing how his allegiance withRa’s Ra's Al Ghul would result in the deaths of millions of people.
* EvenEvilHasStandards: Spider-Man thought Fisk has them, seeing how his allegiance with
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* EvenEvilHasLovedOnes: As usual, Fisk’s unconditional love for Vanessa is presented as one of his most redeeming qualities. Everything he does is to cure his illness.
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--> '''Kingpin''': What kind of man could do such a thing? What kind of man is capable of such depravity…? Such cruelty?\\
'''Ra’s Al Ghul''': You…?
'''Ra’s Al Ghul''': You…?
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--> '''Kingpin''': What kind of man could do such a thing? What kind of man is capable of such depravity…? depravity...? Such cruelty?\\
'''Ra’s '''Ra's Al Ghul''': You…?You...?
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* PetTheDog: While Talia remains by her father’s side this time, she does manage to produce an antidote for Vanessa’s illness and has Batman and Spider-Man deliver it to her.
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Batman & Spider-Man: New Age Dawning is a 1998 one-shot crossover by J. M Matthews and a sequel to ComicBook/SpiderManAndBatmanDisorderedMinds.
When Wilson Fisk’s beloved wife Vanessa becomes terminally ill with an untreatable form of cancer, he turns to Ra’s Al Ghul for help. Ra’s offers him a cure, but on the condition of New York City going under the ocean. Ultimately, it’s up to Batman and Spider-Man teaming up to put a stop to it.
When Wilson Fisk’s beloved wife Vanessa becomes terminally ill with an untreatable form of cancer, he turns to Ra’s Al Ghul for help. Ra’s offers him a cure, but on the condition of New York City going under the ocean. Ultimately, it’s up to Batman and Spider-Man teaming up to put a stop to it.
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When Wilson
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* GoodAllAlong: Well… Well... sort of. [[spoiler: Turns out, Fisk never had any real intention of drowning New York City and had actually rigged Ra’s weather altering satellite to detonate. The truth was, he wanted Batman and Spider-Man to follow him to help stop Ra’s Al Ghul.]]
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* GracefulLoser: Instead of being outraged of having his plans foiled, Ra’s Al Ghul actually get's a big laugh out of it, commending [[spoiler: Fisk]] for outsmarting him and lets him, Batman and Spider-Man go without a fight. [[spoiler: [[KickTheDog Although he reveals that there was never really an antidote for Vanessa’s illness]].]]
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* GracefulLoser: Instead of being outraged of having his plans foiled, Ra’s Al Ghul actually get's a big laugh out of it, commending [[spoiler: Fisk]] for outsmarting him and lets him, Batman and Spider-Man go without a fight. [[spoiler: [[KickTheDog Although he reveals that there was never really an antidote for Vanessa’s illness]].illness -- which turns out to be another lie, as Talia sends Batman the antidote to give to Spidey who in turns gives it to Wilson]].]]
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* ActuallyPrettyFunny: Ra's Al Ghul goes into hysterics when he realizes that he had been beaten from the start.
* ActuallyPrettyFunny: Ra's Al Ghul goes into hysterics when he realizes that he had been beaten from the start.
* DeadpanSnarker: As usual, Spider-Man's witty remarks are ''golden''.
-->'''Spider-Man''': Kill, kill, kill-- that's all you supervillains ever think about! Just once I'd like one of you jerks to offer me a warm bath and a pair of flannel pajamas!
-->'''Spider-Man''': Kill, kill, kill-- that's all you supervillains ever think about! Just once I'd like one of you jerks to offer me a warm bath and a pair of flannel pajamas!
** The same goes for Ra's Al Ghul and Talia's relationship. So much so, that Ra's goes into a rage when he thinks Batman forced Talia into betraying him once again.
-->'''Ra's Al Ghul''': I will '''never''' allow you to take her from me! Talia is my heart... my soul... my future! I'd rather she were dead-- than at '''your side'''!
-->'''Ra's Al Ghul''': I will '''never''' allow you to take her from me! Talia is my heart... my soul... my future! I'd rather she were dead-- than at '''your side'''!
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* GracefulLoser: Instead of being outraged of having his plans foiled, Ra’s Al Ghul actually commends get's a big laugh out of it, commending [[spoiler: Fisk]] for outsmarting him and lets him, Batman and Spider-Man go without a fight. [[spoiler: [[KickTheDog Although he reveals that there was never really an antidote for Vanessa’s illness]].]]
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* ManipulativeBastard: Ra's Al Ghul, as usual. Turns out ''he'' was the one infected Vanessa Fisk with a manufactured disease that imitates Cancer, all so he would could essentially BlackMail him into working with him and destroy New York City.
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* ManipulativeBastard: Ra's Al Ghul, as usual. Turns out ''he'' was the one who infected Vanessa Fisk with a manufactured disease manmade virus that imitates Cancer, cancer, all so he would could essentially BlackMail him Kingpin into working with for him and destroy New York City.
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* TemptingFate: When Batman questions the necessity of Spider-Man scaling a mountain with just his hands, Spider-Man reassures him that the only thing that can knock him down would be an avalanche. Cue an avalanche.
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* TemptingFate: When Batman questions the necessity of Spider-Man scaling a mountain with just his hands, Spider-Man reassures him that the only thing that can knock him down would be an avalanche. Cue an avalanche.avalanche.
* VillainTeamUp: Between the Kingpin and Ra's Al Ghul, but not exactly out of mutual benefit. [[spoiler: Plus, Fisk was never really on Ra's Al Ghul's side to begin with.]]
* VillainTeamUp: Between the Kingpin and Ra's Al Ghul, but not exactly out of mutual benefit. [[spoiler: Plus, Fisk was never really on Ra's Al Ghul's side to begin with.]]
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--> '''Kingpin''': What kind of man could do such a thing? What kind of man is capable of such depravity…? Such cruelty?//
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--> '''Kingpin''': What kind of man could do such a thing? What kind of man is capable of such depravity…? Such cruelty?//cruelty?\\
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* DidYouJustScamCthulu: [[spoiler: Fisk's grandiose plan. He would provide Ra's the resources he'd need to build the satellite's to flood New York City, but had them sabotaged to self-destruct, delivering on their bargain just enough to get what he needed to cure his wife's illness.]]
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* EvenEvilHasLovedOnes: As usual, Fisk’s unconditional love for his wife Vanessa is presented as one of his most redeeming qualities. Everything he does is to cure his disease.
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* EvenEvilHasLovedOnes: As usual, Fisk’s unconditional love for his wife Vanessa is presented as one of his most redeeming qualities. Everything he does is to cure his disease.illness.
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* MoralityPet: Both Vanessa and Talia bond over how they both serve as this to the ones they love.
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Batman & Spider-Man: New Age Dawning is a 1998 one-shot crossover by J. M Matthews and a sequel to ComicBook/SpiderManAndBatmanDisorderedMinds.
When Wilson Fisk’s beloved wife Vanessa becomes terminally ill with an untreatable form of cancer, he turns to Ra’s Al Ghul for help. Ra’s offers him a cure, but on the condition of New York City going under the ocean. Ultimately, it’s up to Batman and Spider-Man teaming up to put a stop to it.
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* TheChessmaster: [[spoiler: Fisk was this the whole time, tricking Ra's into thinking he had agreed with his plans, only to sabotage everything from within so Ra's would be forced to honor their agreement.]]
* DatingCatwoman: As usual, Batman and Talia’s relationship is complicated. On the one hand, her feelings for him are genuine, but so is her devotion to her father.
* DidYouJustScamCthulu: [[spoiler: Fisk's grandiose plan. He would provide Ra's the resources he'd need to build the satellite's to flood New York City, but had them sabotaged to self-destruct, delivering on their bargain just enough to get what he needed to cure his wife's illness.]]
* EnemyMine: [[spoiler: Despite being Spider-Man’s enemy, Fisk turned to him and Batman for help in taking Fisk down and getting a cure for Vanessa's illness.]]
* EvenEvilHasStandards: Spider-Man thought Fisk has them, seeing how his allegiance with Ra’s Al Ghul would result in the deaths of millions of people.
** [[spoiler: Turns out, he was right, as Fisk decided to sabotage the satellite from the beginning and invited Batman and Spider-Man to come with him and help sabotage Ra’s Al Ghul’s plans.]]
* EvenEvilHasLovedOnes: As usual, Fisk’s unconditional love for his wife Vanessa is presented as one of his most redeeming qualities. Everything he does is to cure his disease.
* FaceDeathWithDignity: [[spoiler: Vanessa eventually chooses this and pleads with her husband to do the same. [[spoiler: Thankfully, she doesn't have to as Talia manages to procure her the antidote needed.]]
* FireForgedFriends: During their first outing, Batman was reluctant to join forces with Spider-Man. Here, he’s willing to accept Spider-Man’s help.
* GoodAllAlong: Well… sort of. [[spoiler: Turns out, Fisk never had any real intention of drowning New York City and had actually rigged Ra’s weather altering satellite to detonate. The truth was, he wanted Batman and Spider-Man to follow him to help stop Ra’s Al Ghul.]]
* GracefulLoser: Instead of being outraged of having his plans foiled, Ra’s Al Ghul actually commends [[spoiler: Fisk]] for outsmarting him and lets him, Batman and Spider-Man go without a fight. [[spoiler: [[KickTheDog Although he reveals that there was never really an antidote for Vanessa’s illness]].]]
* HappilyMarried:
** As usual, Peter and Mary Jane are presented as a very happy couple who do struggle with Peter’s second job as a crime fighter.
** Vanessa admits to Talia that while her husband has done things that disgust her to no end, she still loves him and has seen a more gentle side to him.
* ManipulativeBastard: Ra's Al Ghul, as usual. Turns out ''he'' was the one infected Vanessa Fisk with a manufactured disease that imitates Cancer, all so he would could essentially BlackMail him into working with him and destroy New York City.
* NotSoDifferent: When King Pin learns that Ra’s Al Ghul was the one who poisoned his wife with an incurable illness to serve his own purposes, he’s outright disgusted, only for Ra’s Al Ghul to point out that he would probably do the same.
--> '''Kingpin''': What kind of man could do such a thing? What kind of man is capable of such depravity…? Such cruelty?//
'''Ra’s Al Ghul''': You…?
* OddFriendship: Between the brooding and serious Batman and the snarky and not-so-serious Spider-Man.
* PetTheDog: While Talia remains by her father’s side this time, she does manage to produce an antidote for Vanessa’s illness and has Batman and Spider-Man deliver it to her.
* TemptingFate: When Batman questions the necessity of Spider-Man scaling a mountain with just his hands, Spider-Man reassures him that the only thing that can knock him down would be an avalanche. Cue an avalanche.
Batman & Spider-Man: New Age Dawning is a 1998 one-shot crossover by J. M Matthews and a sequel to ComicBook/SpiderManAndBatmanDisorderedMinds.
When Wilson Fisk’s beloved wife Vanessa becomes terminally ill with an untreatable form of cancer, he turns to Ra’s Al Ghul for help. Ra’s offers him a cure, but on the condition of New York City going under the ocean. Ultimately, it’s up to Batman and Spider-Man teaming up to put a stop to it.
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* TheChessmaster: [[spoiler: Fisk was this the whole time, tricking Ra's into thinking he had agreed with his plans, only to sabotage everything from within so Ra's would be forced to honor their agreement.]]
* DatingCatwoman: As usual, Batman and Talia’s relationship is complicated. On the one hand, her feelings for him are genuine, but so is her devotion to her father.
* DidYouJustScamCthulu: [[spoiler: Fisk's grandiose plan. He would provide Ra's the resources he'd need to build the satellite's to flood New York City, but had them sabotaged to self-destruct, delivering on their bargain just enough to get what he needed to cure his wife's illness.]]
* EnemyMine: [[spoiler: Despite being Spider-Man’s enemy, Fisk turned to him and Batman for help in taking Fisk down and getting a cure for Vanessa's illness.]]
* EvenEvilHasStandards: Spider-Man thought Fisk has them, seeing how his allegiance with Ra’s Al Ghul would result in the deaths of millions of people.
** [[spoiler: Turns out, he was right, as Fisk decided to sabotage the satellite from the beginning and invited Batman and Spider-Man to come with him and help sabotage Ra’s Al Ghul’s plans.]]
* EvenEvilHasLovedOnes: As usual, Fisk’s unconditional love for his wife Vanessa is presented as one of his most redeeming qualities. Everything he does is to cure his disease.
* FaceDeathWithDignity: [[spoiler: Vanessa eventually chooses this and pleads with her husband to do the same. [[spoiler: Thankfully, she doesn't have to as Talia manages to procure her the antidote needed.]]
* FireForgedFriends: During their first outing, Batman was reluctant to join forces with Spider-Man. Here, he’s willing to accept Spider-Man’s help.
* GoodAllAlong: Well… sort of. [[spoiler: Turns out, Fisk never had any real intention of drowning New York City and had actually rigged Ra’s weather altering satellite to detonate. The truth was, he wanted Batman and Spider-Man to follow him to help stop Ra’s Al Ghul.]]
* GracefulLoser: Instead of being outraged of having his plans foiled, Ra’s Al Ghul actually commends [[spoiler: Fisk]] for outsmarting him and lets him, Batman and Spider-Man go without a fight. [[spoiler: [[KickTheDog Although he reveals that there was never really an antidote for Vanessa’s illness]].]]
* HappilyMarried:
** As usual, Peter and Mary Jane are presented as a very happy couple who do struggle with Peter’s second job as a crime fighter.
** Vanessa admits to Talia that while her husband has done things that disgust her to no end, she still loves him and has seen a more gentle side to him.
* ManipulativeBastard: Ra's Al Ghul, as usual. Turns out ''he'' was the one infected Vanessa Fisk with a manufactured disease that imitates Cancer, all so he would could essentially BlackMail him into working with him and destroy New York City.
* NotSoDifferent: When King Pin learns that Ra’s Al Ghul was the one who poisoned his wife with an incurable illness to serve his own purposes, he’s outright disgusted, only for Ra’s Al Ghul to point out that he would probably do the same.
--> '''Kingpin''': What kind of man could do such a thing? What kind of man is capable of such depravity…? Such cruelty?//
'''Ra’s Al Ghul''': You…?
* OddFriendship: Between the brooding and serious Batman and the snarky and not-so-serious Spider-Man.
* PetTheDog: While Talia remains by her father’s side this time, she does manage to produce an antidote for Vanessa’s illness and has Batman and Spider-Man deliver it to her.
* TemptingFate: When Batman questions the necessity of Spider-Man scaling a mountain with just his hands, Spider-Man reassures him that the only thing that can knock him down would be an avalanche. Cue an avalanche.