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* PoesLaw: A work of satire that is mistaken for serious, or a serious work that is mistaken for satire. Audiences misunderstanding a work is subjective, since ''some'' people are bound to correctly tell is a work is satire or serious. Even the (poorly-enforced) demand for proof of people being confused by the work doesn't make it an objective trope, as UnfortunateImplications shows, and the mistaking is not something that happens in the work itself. Even "at least one major source has accidentally misunderstood the work's intentions" would be Trivia. *



* AwesomenessMeter is the same thing as IdiosyncraticComboLevels. Or at least, no distinction between the two is apparent from the trope description. *
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* WellDoneSonGuy: The description specifies that the trope title refers to the role model whose approval is being sought, yet the examples, the laconic and Playing With all treat the trope title as referring to the one seeking approval from the role model. *
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* BadCopIncompetentCop: The description reads as if it is just "all the cops in town are bad or dumb", but doesn't know how it's different from TheBadGuysAreCops or PoliceAreUseless which covers both situations. Then it argues that it's just DirtyCop applied to an entire precinct. The Laconic seems to think it's just when the cops are ''both'' Bad and Incompetent.

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* BadCopIncompetentCop: The description reads as if it is just "all the cops in town are bad or dumb", but doesn't know can't decide how it's different from TheBadGuysAreCops or PoliceAreUseless which covers both situations. Then it argues that it's just DirtyCop applied to an entire precinct. The Laconic seems to think it's just when the cops are ''both'' Bad and Incompetent.
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* BadCopIncompetentCop: The description reads as if it is just "all the cops in town are bad or dumb", but doesn't know how it's different from TheBadGuysAreCops or PoliceAreUseless which covers both situations. Then it argues that it's just DirtyCop applied to an entire precinct. The Laconic seems to think it's just when the cops are ''both'' Bad and Incompetent.
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* NintendoHard is persistently shoehorned and lacks a clear cutoff; it sometimes attracts complaining as well. It is likely also YMMV due to involving difficulty. *

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* CluelessAesop: Suffers from misuse and subjectivity. Misuse because the trope's supposed to be when a work ''cannot'' possibly make its message work because of what the work itself is (for example, a kids' show that tries to give a DrugsAreBad Aesop when its age rating forbids it from properly tackling that subject), but many examples are just works that fail to make their Aesop work for ''any'' reason, [[Administrivia/ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike including just plain poor writing]]. It's subjective because most of the examples also explain the impact the "cluelessness" has on the work, which often involves passing judgment on its quality, and "this work couldn't possibly have made its message work" is often arguable (going by the example above, a kids' show that tries to deal with mature themes might fail, but some ''have'' successfully done so). Plus, similar to BrokenAesop (see the "Actually Subjective" folder), "This work failed to deliver its intended moral" might be subjective. *



* CoolOldGuy: Is RIFE with ZCE issues all over the site. It's a vague enough term that it's being applied to any older male character that shows up in a work with little else. *



* MadeOfShiny: Has only 4 examples (none are valid) and has 22 wicks (only 11 are work wicks). Practically wasn't worked on since it was made in 2010.

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* MadeOfShiny: Has only 4 examples (none are valid) and has 22 wicks (only 11 are work wicks). Practically wasn't worked on since it was made in 2010.2008.



* OpeningACanOfClones: Despite being listed on UnexpectedReactionsToThisIndex and describing an audience reaction of "people stop trusting anything in the story to have lasting consequences", it's classified as an objective trope. Additionally, the title is very specific and can be misunderstood as meaning literally "this work contains clones". *



* BassoProfundo: A list of characters and real people who are basses with no associated narrative meaning, unlike related tropes like BaritoneOfStrength, EvilSoundsDeep, etc. Description only describes what bass register is without discussing what it means in fiction. *
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* OneBookAuthor: The fact that the author only produced one work in the field is trivia, not something present in the work itself. The description also requires the work to be "extremely popular", which suggests that it should be an AudienceReaction (unless this part is dropped and we get a Trivia item for "this work was the author's only stab at this field"). Closely related to OneHitWonder, which is already Trivia, but this page suggests turning it into an Audience Reaction.
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* V8EngineNoises: Functions primarily as a list of cars with V8 engine sounds that show up in fiction, and little else. While the description leans on being a pseudo-Analysis page, it mentions that these types of noises are exclusive to the bad guys' cars and suggests that sound approximating where other engines can't do the trick (due to budget issues, smaller engines like the V3, etc) often works better in place of an actual V8 engine, so it's possible that there are bits and pieces of both an unrelated trope and a Useful Notes page that can be condensed directly. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16777244170A60445500&page=41#comment-1015 Commented about in this thread]]. *

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* V8EngineNoises: Functions primarily as a list of cars with V8 engine sounds that show up in fiction, and little else. While the description leans on being a pseudo-Analysis page, it mentions that these types of noises are often exclusive to the bad guys' cars and suggests that sound approximating where other engines can't do the trick (due to budget issues, smaller engines like the V3, etc) often works better in place of an actual V8 engine, so it's possible that there are bits and pieces of both an unrelated trope and a Useful Notes page that can be condensed directly. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16777244170A60445500&page=41#comment-1015 Commented about in this thread]]. *
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* V8EngineNoises: Functions primarily as a list of cars with V8 engine sounds that show up in fiction, and little else. While the description leans on being a pseudo-Analysis page, it mentions that these types of noises are exclusive to the bad guys' cars and suggests that sound approximating where other engines can't do the trick (due to budget issues, smaller engines like the V3, etc) often works better in place of an actual V8 engine, so it's possible that there are bits and pieces of both an unrelated trope and a Useful Notes page that can be condensed directly. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16777244170A60445500&page=41#comment-1015 Commented about in this thread]]. *
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* KrakenAndLeviathan: Despite the name, it's not about literal krakens and leviathans, but a Same But More Specific version of SeaMonster. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13646132210A95550100&page=818#comment-20426 Discussed here.]] *

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* DesignStudentsOrgasm: The description is so vague it straight-up says "It's easier to show than to describe, hence the picture." It seems to have been originally going for a specific design style (retro 60s pop-ish?) with lots of ornate abstract flourishes and curlicues, while the Laconic just says "artsy and confusing visuals." Meanwhile the image links show several other design styles as well, and a ton of the examples amount to "this cover design is really artsy". What even is the concept here? *


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* DesignStudentsOrgasm: The description is so vague it straight-up says "It's easier to show than to describe, hence the picture." It seems to have been originally going for a specific design style (retro 60s pop-ish?) with lots of ornate abstract flourishes and curlicues, while the Laconic just says "artsy and confusing visuals." Meanwhile the image links show several other design styles as well, and a ton of the examples amount to "this cover design is really artsy". What even is the concept here? *


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* TheFourLoves: The point is that the Ancient Greek language had four separate concepts that get lumped together in the one English word "love", the distinction being the object of love and one's relation to it. It's not clearly explained why all four separate concepts should share a trope together -- with separate examples sections, even! -- aside from the fact that Creator/CSLewis once wrote [[Literature/TheFourLoves a book]] about them. It doesn't help that many of the examples are along the lines of "X has familial love for her family..." *
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* PlayerPunch's description says it's about anything bad happening to a sympathetic character in a video game, or video games using their interactive nature to make the player feel guilty. The former is Administrivia/TheSameButMoreSpecific than GutPunch. *
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A lot of the description's issues have already been cleaned up.


* PublicMediumIgnorance: Its description complains about the general public being uncultured swines in order to gush about specific works that aren't completely mainstream. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13134531370A81899700&page=38#comment-941 Discussed here.]] *

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* PublicMediumIgnorance: Its description complains about the has been cleaned up to remove some complaints that came off as "the general public being uncultured swines in order to gush are uncultured" and the gushing about specific works that aren't completely mainstream.non-mainstream works, but it could still use another look. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13134531370A81899700&page=38#comment-941 Discussed here.]] *
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* SexIsInteresting: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16779797300A1929310 Came up in Trope Talk]] as the description is unclear if this is about characters who find sex interesting, or about writers who find sex interesting (which is redundant to EverybodyHasLotsOfSex). Check all 34 wicks.*
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TRS thread opened and closed, trope will be cleaned up of natural HC examples.


* CurtainsMatchTheWindow: The description says examples should be characters with unusual or implausible hair colors having eyes of the same color, but a good number of examples includes characters with normal hair colors like black and brown.*
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If the misuse is only occasional, then it doesn't need TRS, just a cleanup


* BribingYourWayToVictory: Not ''too'' blatant, but occasionally sees misuse from people who think it's "clever" to list in-universe examples of bribery as examples. The more descriptive term PayToWin is often used outside of this site and is currently a redirect, so making it the official title could help discourage that misuse. *
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* BribingYourWayToVictory: Not ''too'' blatant, but occasionally sees misuse from people who think it's "clever" to list in-universe examples of bribery as examples. The more descriptive term PayToWin is often used outside of this site and is currently a redirect, so making it the official title could help discourage that misuse. *
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* DeadHorseGenre: The description refers to "a music genre critics hate on principle", but the name leads to a lot of examples about genres considered overexposed, as well as "dead horses" that were beaten to death years ago and are not very well liked nowadays. The "genre critics hate on principle" thing can probably be merged into CriticProof, and the other one is likely redundant with CondemnedByHistory. *
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* FantasticFoxes is about a variety of portrayals of foxes in fiction from around the world, including AnimalStereotypes that aren't too fantastical.

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* FantasticFoxes is about a variety of portrayals of foxes in fiction from around the world, including from mythical ones to AnimalStereotypes that aren't too fantastical.for mundane foxes. *
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* FantasticFoxes is about a variety of portrayals of foxes in fiction from around the world, including AnimalStereotypes that aren't too fantastical.
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Put it in the TRS Queue.
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* AntidoteEffect: It's unclear if the trope is supposed to be "an item is only useful in some highly specific situations" (likely redundant with NotCompletelyUseless), "players end up carrying such an item just in case that situation comes up" (actually subjective because it's about player behavior) or "players don't bother with that item because it's too specific" (also actually subjective; possibly redundant with LowTierLetdown and ScrappyWeapon). It also suffers from a bad trope name -- a reader unfamiliar with the "antidotes tend to be kind of useless in [=RPGs=]" thing would assume it's a trope about healing. The trope only has 72 wicks despite being created all the way back in 2007. *
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* MindRape: The trope seems to have multiple definitions. The first paragraph describes it as a mental/psychic attack to one's mind that is [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything likened]] to actual {{rape|AsDrama}} due to the violation and exploitation of vulnerabilities involved. Then it goes on to include any other forms of torture (including [[ColdBloodedTorture physical]], [[BreakThemByTalking verbal]], and actual rape) that ends up breaking the victim's mind, (usually) causing them to go insane. *
* OurPresidentsAreDifferent: A trope clump of different "President+X" concepts which could be tropable in their own right, and some of which are already their own tropes. *

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* MindRape: The trope seems to have multiple definitions. The first paragraph describes it as a mental/psychic attack to one's mind that is [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything likened]] to actual {{rape|AsDrama}} due to the violation and exploitation of vulnerabilities involved. Then it goes on to include any other forms of torture (including [[ColdBloodedTorture physical]], [[BreakThemByTalking verbal]], and actual rape) that ends up breaking the victim's mind, (usually) causing them to go insane.insane (already covered by DrivenToMadness). *
* OurPresidentsAreDifferent: A trope clump of different "President+X" concepts which could be tropable in their own right, and some of which are already their own tropes. A [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1370868121047376200 previous thread]] timed out before a solution was reached.*
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* AntidoteEffect: It's unclear if the trope is supposed to be "an item is only useful in some highly specific situations" (likely redundant with NotCompletelyUseless), "players end up carrying such an item just in case that situation comes up" (actually subjective because it's about player behavior) or "players don't bother with that item because it's too specific" (also actually subjective; possibly redundant with LowTierLetdown and ScrappyWeapon). It also suffers from a bad trope name -- a reader unfamiliar with the "antidotes tend to be kind of useless in [=RPGs=]" thing would assume it's a trope about healing.

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* AntidoteEffect: It's unclear if the trope is supposed to be "an item is only useful in some highly specific situations" (likely redundant with NotCompletelyUseless), "players end up carrying such an item just in case that situation comes up" (actually subjective because it's about player behavior) or "players don't bother with that item because it's too specific" (also actually subjective; possibly redundant with LowTierLetdown and ScrappyWeapon). It also suffers from a bad trope name -- a reader unfamiliar with the "antidotes tend to be kind of useless in [=RPGs=]" thing would assume it's a trope about healing. The trope only has 72 wicks despite being created all the way back in 2007. *
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* AntidoteEffect: It's unclear if the trope is supposed to be "an item is only useful in some highly specific situations" (likely redundant with NotCompletelyUseless), "players end up carrying such an item just in case that situation comes up" (actually subjective because it's about player behavior) or "players don't bother with that item because it's too specific" (also actually subjective; possibly redundant with LowTierLetdown and ScrappyWeapon). It also suffers from a bad trope name -- a reader unfamiliar with the "antidotes tend to be kind of useless in [=RPGs=]" thing would assume it's a trope about healing.
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* OnlyInMiami: The title makes it seem like a subtrope of OnlyInFlorida, but the description makes it seem like this is about media treating Miami like it's the only city in Florida. Most of the examples are just stating that a work takes place in Miami at all, with only a few that actually fit the description. It also only has 76 wicks as of writing this, despite having been created in 2008, with about half as many examples on it's main page. *

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* OnlyInMiami: The title makes it seem like a subtrope of OnlyInFlorida, but the description makes it seem like this is says it's about media treating Miami like it's the only city in Florida. Most Florida, and most of the examples are just stating that a work takes place in Miami at all, with only a few that actually fit the description. It also only has 76 wicks as of writing this, despite having been created in 2008, with about half as many examples on it's main page. *
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* OnlyInMiami: The title makes it seem like a subtrope of OnlyInFlorida, but the description makes it seem like this is about media treating Miami like it's the only city in Florida. Most of the examples are just stating that a work takes place in Miami at all, with only a few that actually fit the description. It also only has 76 wicks as of writing this, despite having been created in 2008, with about half as many examples on it's main page. *
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it looks like Bleached Underpants has had a TRS decision so removing it


* BleachedUnderpants: It refers to the production history of a work rather than anything in-story, so it should be Trivia. Also, despite the on-page description for the trope being about a work aimed at general audiences stemming from an NSFW work, it's frequently used for when a creator of a work aimed at general audiences also created an NSFW one that has no relation to the non-NSFW one. As [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=105126&type=att this ATT thread pointed out]], the misuse could be spun into a separate trivia trope, provided it's not common to the point of being Administrivia/PeopleSitOnChairs. *
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* GrandfatherClause: Is about audiences accepting something, or rejecting its absence, simply because it's expected to be there, which is an audience reaction. Many examples are about how ''if'' a recent work did similar things, it would be criticized (due to {{Narm}} or ValuesDissonance), which is subjective and speculation. *

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* GrandfatherClause: Is about audiences accepting something, or rejecting its absence, simply because it's expected to be there, even though it should cause some issues like {{Narm}} or ValuesDissonance, which is an audience reaction. reaction, with some examples covering audiences [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks reacting negatively to the element being changed]]. Many examples are about how ''if'' a recent work did similar things, it would be criticized (due to {{Narm}} or ValuesDissonance), criticized, which is subjective speculation. For even more subjectivity, some examples still had people complaining about something enough for it to be changed or removed anyway. Some examples are objective, so a split between a YMMV "audiences accept something that they'd complain about if it wasn't tradition for this series", "author keeps something because it's always been there even though they can now change it", and speculation.the clause applying to in-universe concepts might be needed. *

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