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This is not Wikipedia. You will see these words written in many places on the website. One of the main ways we are different from them is our take on "notability."
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This is not Wikipedia.Website/{{Wikipedia}}. You will see these words written in many places on the website. One of the main ways we are different from them is our take on "notability."
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If it fits the trope description, then it can be put in. All it requires is someone to put it in there. Simple as that. It could be a multi-million viewer Creator/{{ABC}} {{sitcom}}, or an all-but-forgotten Japanese [[VideogameTropes videogame]], or a SpriteComic about ''VideoGame/EarthBound1994'' that [[OrphanedSeries died after seven strips]].
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If it fits the trope description, then it can be put in. All it requires is someone to put it in there. Simple as that. It could be a multi-million viewer Creator/{{ABC}} Creator/AmericanBroadcastingCompany {{sitcom}}, or an all-but-forgotten Japanese [[VideogameTropes videogame]], or a SpriteComic about ''VideoGame/EarthBound1994'' that [[OrphanedSeries died after seven strips]].
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If it fits the trope description, then it can be put in. All it requires is someone to put it in there. Simple as that. It could be a multi-million viewer Creator/{{ABC}} {{sitcom}}, or an all-but-forgotten Japanese [[VideogameTropes videogame]], or a SpriteComic about ''VideoGame/EarthBound'' that [[OrphanedSeries died after seven strips]].
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If it fits the trope description, then it can be put in. All it requires is someone to put it in there. Simple as that. It could be a multi-million viewer Creator/{{ABC}} {{sitcom}}, or an all-but-forgotten Japanese [[VideogameTropes videogame]], or a SpriteComic about ''VideoGame/EarthBound'' ''VideoGame/EarthBound1994'' that [[OrphanedSeries died after seven strips]].
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We consider every work notable. But works that are nothing but porn [[Administrivia/TheContentPolicyAndThe5PCircuit aren't appropriate to host on this site]]. We don't need porn in order to understand storytelling.
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We consider every work notable. But works that are nothing but porn [[Administrivia/TheContentPolicyAndThe5PCircuit [[Administrivia/TheContentPolicy aren't appropriate to host on this site]]. We don't need porn in order to understand storytelling.
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Much of our wiki relies on the "Examples" section, where we pull our many articles together. Every now and then you might see a WikipediaUpdater who will delete your example with no reason. A small Administrivia/EditWar of delete/restore will start, before someone on the discussion page brings up "notability." This page is your response.
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Much of our wiki relies on the "Examples" section, where we pull our many articles together. Every now and then you might see a WikipediaUpdater [[JustForFun/WikipediaBehavior Wikipedia Updater]] who will delete your example with no reason. A small Administrivia/EditWar of delete/restore will start, before someone on the discussion page brings up "notability." This page is your response.
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!Just because it's notable doesn't mean it's safe to host
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!Just because it's notable doesn't mean it's safe to host
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Also, the fact that a work is historically or culturally significant doesn't mean it is tropeworthy. It still has to have enough storytelling (plot, setting, characterization) tropes to qualify for an article.
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If it fits the trope description, then it can be put in. All it requires is someone to put it in there. Simple as that. It could be a multi-million viewer Creator/{{ABC}} {{sitcom}}, or an all-but-forgotten Japanese [[VideogameTropes videogame]], or a SpriteComic about ''VideoGame/EarthBound'' that [[StillbornSerial died after seven strips]].
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If it fits the trope description, then it can be put in. All it requires is someone to put it in there. Simple as that. It could be a multi-million viewer Creator/{{ABC}} {{sitcom}}, or an all-but-forgotten Japanese [[VideogameTropes videogame]], or a SpriteComic about ''VideoGame/EarthBound'' that [[StillbornSerial [[OrphanedSeries died after seven strips]].
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Other than that, all we ask is that [[SquarePegRoundTrope the examples fit the trope]]. Go on, have fun.
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Other than that, all we ask is that [[SquarePegRoundTrope [[Administrivia/SquarePegRoundTrope the examples fit the trope]]. Go on, have fun.
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Stripping out overlong stuff that has nothing to do with page creation: Unpublished works are explained at the namespace rules, and examples and work page writeup is also explained elsewhere
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!Notability itself is not notable
Yes, we mean that phrasing. Critical ratings, "top X" rankings, popularity, revenue, awards, and other statistical facts about a work's public reception are not our primary purpose. The cultural impact of a work is interesting information; in that context, awards, sales figures, or popularity rankings may be relevant. Definitely talk about that (briefly). But bare information like how much it grossed and how many critics liked isn't what we're for.
!Verifiability is important
The main reason that we require DarthWiki/UnpublishedWorks to sit in their own section of the site is because it's impossible to verify that what their creator says about them is true. While notability is not a standard we apply, ''verifiability'' is. It should be possible for an interested third party to find a work that's documented on our wiki and see for themselves the tropes that we've said are present. This means that works that are inaccessible to the general public (on private servers, requiring private invitations, and the like) should not be documented on our wiki unless there's a [legal] public version available. [[note]]Closed alpha and beta versions of games are considered "unpublished", but we allow articles for them as long as they contain only content that's publicly released.[[/note]]
Yes, we mean that phrasing. Critical ratings, "top X" rankings, popularity, revenue, awards, and other statistical facts about a work's public reception are not our primary purpose. The cultural impact of a work is interesting information; in that context, awards, sales figures, or popularity rankings may be relevant. Definitely talk about that (briefly). But bare information like how much it grossed and how many critics liked isn't what we're for.
!Verifiability is important
The main reason that we require DarthWiki/UnpublishedWorks to sit in their own section of the site is because it's impossible to verify that what their creator says about them is true. While notability is not a standard we apply, ''verifiability'' is. It should be possible for an interested third party to find a work that's documented on our wiki and see for themselves the tropes that we've said are present. This means that works that are inaccessible to the general public (on private servers, requiring private invitations, and the like) should not be documented on our wiki unless there's a [legal] public version available. [[note]]Closed alpha and beta versions of games are considered "unpublished", but we allow articles for them as long as they contain only content that's publicly released.[[/note]]
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!Non-examples are ''not'' always notable
While most forms of PlayingWithATrope abide by this rule, AvertedTrope is an exception. See [[AvertedTrope its page]] for more on this.
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!Non-examples are ''not'' always notable
While most forms of PlayingWithATrope abide by this rule, AvertedTrope is an exception. See [[AvertedTrope its page]] for more on this.
While most forms of PlayingWithATrope abide by this rule, AvertedTrope is an exception. See [[AvertedTrope its page]] for more on this.
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The main reason that we require UnpublishedWorks to sit in their own section of the site is because it's impossible to verify that what their creator says about them is true. While notability is not a standard we apply, ''verifiability'' is. It should be possible for an interested third party to find a work that's documented on our wiki and see for themselves the tropes that we've said are present. This means that works that are inaccessible to the general public (on private servers, requiring private invitations, and the like) should not be documented on our wiki unless there's a [legal] public version available. [[note]]Closed alpha and beta versions of games are considered "unpublished", but we allow articles for them as long as they contain only content that's publicly released.[[/note]]
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The main reason that we require UnpublishedWorks DarthWiki/UnpublishedWorks to sit in their own section of the site is because it's impossible to verify that what their creator says about them is true. While notability is not a standard we apply, ''verifiability'' is. It should be possible for an interested third party to find a work that's documented on our wiki and see for themselves the tropes that we've said are present. This means that works that are inaccessible to the general public (on private servers, requiring private invitations, and the like) should not be documented on our wiki unless there's a [legal] public version available. [[note]]Closed alpha and beta versions of games are considered "unpublished", but we allow articles for them as long as they contain only content that's publicly released.[[/note]]
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!Verifiability is important
The main reason that we require UnpublishedWorks to sit in their own section of the site is because it's impossible to verify that what their creator says about them is true. While notability is not a standard we apply, ''verifiability'' is. It should be possible for an interested third party to find a work that's documented on our wiki and see for themselves the tropes that we've said are present. This means that works that are inaccessible to the general public (on private servers, requiring private invitations, and the like) should not be documented on our wiki unless there's a [legal] public version available. [[note]]Closed alpha and beta versions of games are considered "unpublished", but we allow articles for them as long as they contain only content that's publicly released.[[/note]]
The main reason that we require UnpublishedWorks to sit in their own section of the site is because it's impossible to verify that what their creator says about them is true. While notability is not a standard we apply, ''verifiability'' is. It should be possible for an interested third party to find a work that's documented on our wiki and see for themselves the tropes that we've said are present. This means that works that are inaccessible to the general public (on private servers, requiring private invitations, and the like) should not be documented on our wiki unless there's a [legal] public version available. [[note]]Closed alpha and beta versions of games are considered "unpublished", but we allow articles for them as long as they contain only content that's publicly released.[[/note]]
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Yes, we mean that phrasing. Critical ratings, "top X" rankings, popularity, revenue, awards, and other statistical facts about a work's public reception are not something we care about. This means that you should not add that information to the description, nor should you make indexes for "songs that were on the Billboard Top 200" or "actors with Oscar awards".
The cultural impact of a work is interesting information. Definitely talk about that (briefly). But information like how much it grossed and how many critics liked it can go on Wikipedia. That's not what we're for.
The cultural impact of a work is interesting information. Definitely talk about that (briefly). But information like how much it grossed and how many critics liked it can go on Wikipedia. That's not what we're for.
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Yes, we mean that phrasing. Critical ratings, "top X" rankings, popularity, revenue, awards, and other statistical facts about a work's public reception are not something we care about. This means that you should not add that information to the description, nor should you make indexes for "songs that were on the Billboard Top 200" or "actors with Oscar awards".
our primary purpose. The cultural impact of a work is interesting information.information; in that context, awards, sales figures, or popularity rankings may be relevant. Definitely talk about that (briefly). But bare information like how much it grossed and how many critics liked it can go on Wikipedia. That's not isn't what we're for.
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Yes, we mean that phrasing. Critical ratings, "top X" rankings, popularity, revenue, awards, and other statistical facts about a work's public reception are not something we care about. This means that you should not add that information to the description, nor should you make indexes for "songs that were on the Billboard Top 200" or "actors with Oscar awards".
The cultural impact of a work is interesting information. Definitely talk about that (briefly). But information like how much it grossed and how many critics liked it can go on Wikipedia. That's not what we're for.
!Just because it's notable doesn't mean it's safe to host
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Much of our wiki relies on the "Examples" section, where we pull our many articles together. Every now and then you might see a WikipediaUpdater who will delete your example with no reason. A small EditWar of delete/restore will start, before someone on the discussion page brings up "notability." This page is your response.
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Much of our wiki relies on the "Examples" section, where we pull our many articles together. Every now and then you might see a WikipediaUpdater who will delete your example with no reason. A small EditWar Administrivia/EditWar of delete/restore will start, before someone on the discussion page brings up "notability." This page is your response.
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Read the article, please. It is not about us being a time-sink.
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Wikipedia tries in many regards to be the opposite of what we are. We want to be fun, interesting and a cool place to [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife sink hours of time]]. Wikipedia wants to be a compilation of previously published facts from respected sources. SeriousBusiness. Presented with a choice between serious and fun, we went with fun.
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Wikipedia tries in many regards to be the opposite of what we are. We want to be fun, interesting and a cool place to [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife sink hours of time]].time. Wikipedia wants to be a compilation of previously published facts from respected sources. SeriousBusiness. Presented with a choice between serious and fun, we went with fun.
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No, not really.
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We have examples ranging from media as diverse as {{Film}} to FanFiction and everything in between. Removing tropes, examples... anything... because of "notability" stifles the wiki. It can intimidate new writers who wanted to put in an example they liked and had it shot down. Hell, tropes are ''defined'' by their examples.
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We have examples ranging from media as diverse as {{Film}} to FanFiction and everything in between. Removing tropes, examples... anything... because of "notability" stifles the wiki. It can intimidate new writers who wanted to put in an example they liked and had it shot down. Hell, tropes are ''defined'' by their examples.\n
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Wikipedia tries in many regards to be the opposite of what we are. We want to be fun, interesting and a cool place to [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife sink hours of time]]. Wikipedia wants to be a compilation of previously published facts from respected sources. Serious business. Presented with a choice between serious and fun, we went with fun.
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Wikipedia tries in many regards to be the opposite of what we are. We want to be fun, interesting and a cool place to [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife sink hours of time]]. Wikipedia wants to be a compilation of previously published facts from respected sources. Serious business.SeriousBusiness. Presented with a choice between serious and fun, we went with fun.
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Wikipedia tries in many regards to be the opposite of what we are. We want to be fun, interesting and a cool place to sink hours of time. Wikipedia wants to be a compilation of previously published facts from respected sources. Serious business. Presented with a choice between serious and fun, we went with fun.
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Wikipedia tries in many regards to be the opposite of what we are. We want to be fun, interesting and a cool place to [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife sink hours of time.time]]. Wikipedia wants to be a compilation of previously published facts from respected sources. Serious business. Presented with a choice between serious and fun, we went with fun.
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This is a double-edged sword. Someone could add an example they made up and there is really nothing you could do to stop them. If the discussion finds an example to be purely fiction then it might get deleted, ''might''. That's the way of things. But remember, we're here to have fun. Don't let this stuff burn you out.
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This is a double-edged sword. Someone could add an example they made up and there is really nothing you could do to stop them. If the discussion finds an example to be purely fiction fictional then it might get deleted, ''might''. That's the way of things. But remember, we're here to have fun. Don't let this stuff burn you out.
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This is a double-edged sword. Someone could add an example they made up and there is really nothing you could do to stop them. If the discussion finds an example to be a purely fiction then it might get deleted, ''might''. That's the way of things. But remember, we're here to have fun. Don't let this stuff burn you out.
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This is a double-edged sword. Someone could add an example they made up and there is really nothing you could do to stop them. If the discussion finds an example to be a purely fiction then it might get deleted, ''might''. That's the way of things. But remember, we're here to have fun. Don't let this stuff burn you out.
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This is not Wikipedia. You will see these words written in many places on the website. One of the main ways we are different from them is our take on "notability."
![[AC: All works are notable.]]
Wikipedia tries in many regards to be the opposite of what we are. We want to be fun, interesting and a cool place to sink hours of time. Wikipedia wants to be a compilation of previously published facts from respected sources. Serious business. Presented with a choice between serious and fun, we went with fun.
Much of our wiki relies on the "Examples" section, where we pull our many articles together. Every now and then you might see a WikipediaUpdater who will delete your example with no reason. A small EditWar of delete/restore will start, before someone on the discussion page brings up "notability." This page is your response.
If it fits the trope description, then it can be put in. All it requires is someone to put it in there. Simple as that. It could be a multi-million viewer Creator/{{ABC}} {{sitcom}}, or an all-but-forgotten Japanese [[VideogameTropes videogame]], or a SpriteComic about ''VideoGame/EarthBound'' that [[StillbornSerial died after seven strips]].
We have examples ranging from media as diverse as {{Film}} to FanFiction and everything in between. Removing tropes, examples... anything... because of "notability" stifles the wiki. It can intimidate new writers who wanted to put in an example they liked and had it shot down. Hell, tropes are ''defined'' by their examples.
This is a double-edged sword. Someone could add an example they made up and there is really nothing you could do to stop them. If the discussion finds an example to be a purely fiction then it might get deleted, ''might''. That's the way of things. But remember, we're here to have fun. Don't let this stuff burn you out.
![[AC:By, For, and About Fans]]
TV Tropes Wiki was started by fans. People, that is, who ''like'' stuff. You will see that articles work better here when they are about something you like. This is a little bit of a shock to folks that are used to cynicism about the media. It takes a minute or two to get used to.
People who come looking for a place to bash stuff and rant about how ''dumb'' this or that is are in for some disappointment. Here, anyway. There are plenty of places on the 'Net to bash stuff. Shouldn't be too hard to find one.
This doesn't mean, of course, that every article is all sweetness and light, just that the articles trend more toward {{constructive criticism}}s than toward cynical bashing. More toward what does work, and how it works, than what didn't work and why it didn't.
If you really must vent, we have a Reviews section, and a forum. The main articles aren't for that.
Other than that, all we ask is that [[SquarePegRoundTrope the examples fit the trope]]. Go on, have fun.
![[AC:Just Because It's Notable Doesn't Mean It's Safe To Host]]
We consider every work notable. But works that are nothing but porn [[Administrivia/TheContentPolicyAndThe5PCircuit aren't appropriate to host on this site]]. We don't need porn in order to understand storytelling.
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![[AC: All works are notable.]]
Wikipedia tries in many regards to be the opposite of what we are. We want to be fun, interesting and a cool place to sink hours of time. Wikipedia wants to be a compilation of previously published facts from respected sources. Serious business. Presented with a choice between serious and fun, we went with fun.
Much of our wiki relies on the "Examples" section, where we pull our many articles together. Every now and then you might see a WikipediaUpdater who will delete your example with no reason. A small EditWar of delete/restore will start, before someone on the discussion page brings up "notability." This page is your response.
If it fits the trope description, then it can be put in. All it requires is someone to put it in there. Simple as that. It could be a multi-million viewer Creator/{{ABC}} {{sitcom}}, or an all-but-forgotten Japanese [[VideogameTropes videogame]], or a SpriteComic about ''VideoGame/EarthBound'' that [[StillbornSerial died after seven strips]].
We have examples ranging from media as diverse as {{Film}} to FanFiction and everything in between. Removing tropes, examples... anything... because of "notability" stifles the wiki. It can intimidate new writers who wanted to put in an example they liked and had it shot down. Hell, tropes are ''defined'' by their examples.
This is a double-edged sword. Someone could add an example they made up and there is really nothing you could do to stop them. If the discussion finds an example to be a purely fiction then it might get deleted, ''might''. That's the way of things. But remember, we're here to have fun. Don't let this stuff burn you out.
![[AC:By, For, and About Fans]]
TV Tropes Wiki was started by fans. People, that is, who ''like'' stuff. You will see that articles work better here when they are about something you like. This is a little bit of a shock to folks that are used to cynicism about the media. It takes a minute or two to get used to.
People who come looking for a place to bash stuff and rant about how ''dumb'' this or that is are in for some disappointment. Here, anyway. There are plenty of places on the 'Net to bash stuff. Shouldn't be too hard to find one.
This doesn't mean, of course, that every article is all sweetness and light, just that the articles trend more toward {{constructive criticism}}s than toward cynical bashing. More toward what does work, and how it works, than what didn't work and why it didn't.
If you really must vent, we have a Reviews section, and a forum. The main articles aren't for that.
Other than that, all we ask is that [[SquarePegRoundTrope the examples fit the trope]]. Go on, have fun.
![[AC:Just Because It's Notable Doesn't Mean It's Safe To Host]]
We consider every work notable. But works that are nothing but porn [[Administrivia/TheContentPolicyAndThe5PCircuit aren't appropriate to host on this site]]. We don't need porn in order to understand storytelling.
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