Video Game Sonic The Hedgehog 4 Discussion

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96.63.36.153
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11:50:50 AM Mar 18th 2011
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I think we should put back the big description of The Giant Mech as the Episode 1 final boss.
Marioguy128
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05:56:53 PM May 25th 2010
It's kind of sad when there are more tropes listing the Fan Dumb than about the actual game.
SabreJustice
08:27:33 AM Jun 2nd 2010
It's to be expected for a game still in development, and with the largest, most completely out of control fanbase in the world.

But yes, very sad. Blame the system.
MightyKombat
08:13:14 AM Jul 5th 2010
The Sonic fanbase is one of the few that disappoints me. They'll complain. About. ANY SODDING THING. Even if Sega were to adhere to every last one of their demands, the number one Unpleaseable Fanbase in the world would complain "SMALL TYPO IN THE INGAME TEXT THEREFORE GAME RUINED FOREVER!". I mean, people were complaining about Sonic's eye colour! Sega have given them what they want, but no, they still complain. And I wondered before why I was losing faith in humanity.

The sonic fandom is the most ungrateful fandom known.
Carls493
10:01:14 AM Jul 5th 2010
edited by Carls493
As much as I'm a Sonic fan myself, I'll have to agree with you, MightyKombat. I'm sure I'm one of the very few fans that don't complain with what happens to this game.

For example: I don't complain about Sonic's green eyes nor do I complain about the series Loads and Loads of Characters. No one ever listens to me when I say that Mario still has more characters. Why is that?

Hopefully. All of this rage will calm down when the game gets released. If the more, insane, and whiny Sonic fans keep focusing their rage on this game, it's almost like they just want to buy the game just to hate it more.

Somehow, I can compare this to Pokémon Black and White , and what that game's going through with the Pokemon fanbase....
MightyKombat
10:44:16 AM Jul 5th 2010
I have a good, albeit extreme idea of Sega if they wanna deal with them:

Cancel the game. Or at least, threaten to if the fan dumb doesn't cut the crap.
Carls493
10:46:52 AM Jul 5th 2010
edited by Carls493
Nice prank. They're complaining about the game while it's still being developed. I bet they'll still complain if it got canceled.
MightyKombat
10:54:34 AM Jul 5th 2010
Of course they sodding will, they don't want to actually realise they're at fault or would be if the game was cancelled. If anything, I actually feel sorry for Sonic Team and Sega now.

So anyhow, for Sega, if the fan dumb and Unpleasable Fanbase keep crying over a little detail like RING SIZE, then cancel the game to teach them a lesson. Not only that but the ones that legitimately wanted to play it will pretty much ostracise the others and give them something to think about.
Carls493
12:11:12 PM Jul 5th 2010
Simply amazing, really. Maybe then they can be a little bit more rational with what does and doesn't work. Some of them probably don't even know what to complain about in this game, and complain about the game anyways for the sake of complaining about the game.

How repetitive...
MightyKombat
12:35:12 PM Jul 5th 2010
I'm amazed Sega still make games for taht fandom. Maybe they have more patience than we realise.
Carls493
12:48:55 PM Jul 5th 2010
lol. I know I do.
MightyKombat
01:27:48 PM Jul 5th 2010
Indeed.
BPence89alt
05:58:10 PM Jul 5th 2010
Part of the problem is that they try to please both the old fans and the new fans, both of whom want different things from the games. In my opinion they just split it into two different franchises like Nintendo has done with Legend of Zelda.
MightyKombat
06:20:14 PM Jul 5th 2010
Whether it'll keep them quiet or not is the question.
BaronGrackle
06:01:05 AM Aug 2nd 2010
Carls493
08:42:11 AM Aug 2nd 2010
edited by Carls493
The broken Sonic fanbase is just one of the more recent and notable ones. Nothing good can ever be said about the games without starting an argument, even when the content of the games themselves are actually pretty good. There's always someone that has to find a flaw and complain. It makes me sick.

BPence has a point with the Zelda comparision. Like with artstyles of Wind Waker and Twilight Princess, Sega and Sonic Team may just start making 2D games and 3D at the same time to please those 2 division of the fanbase, hopefully...

Seeing Sonic Colors made me realize this, and Nintendo did something similar with New Super Mario Bros. Wii and Super Mario Galaxy 2.
miru
11:50:23 AM Dec 14th 2011
With Sonic Colors being New Super Mario Bros. Wii, and Sonic Generations being Super Mario Galaxy 2. Sonic 4 pales by comparison, on par with say, Fortune Street or something at worst.
Komodin
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09:28:18 AM May 19th 2010
edited by Komodin
Removed some natter from the page.

People (and this goes for everyone; yes, this includes all the defenders, the detractors and the neutrals), please don't get carried away here. This is a wiki, not a forum thread. Take your hyjinks here.
BaronGrackle
09:51:41 AM May 19th 2010
edited by BaronGrackle
Fair enough. But before I readded the Your Mileage May Vary entry, a good deal of the page was basically a diatribe against fans who have concerns about the game. You'd think that anyone who doesn't believe this to be the Second Coming and Dream Fulfillment of All Things Spectacular... is a frothing idiot. To go along with the five or so Fan Dumb links on the page, is there a trope for something like Lapdog Loyalty? EDIT: I just took out some of the heavier slams. We'll see if that works.
Ayries
11:29:57 PM May 20th 2010
I think it basically counts AS fan dumb. Maybe we could mention both sides in the entry.
BaronGrackle
07:57:09 AM May 21st 2010
I've done some editings, but don't think that I'm thin-skinned. If I took out too much or if I was unfair, go ahead and improve it! (As for the delay, I think there has been a lot of positive reaction to it.)
miru
11:47:54 AM Dec 14th 2011
Hey! It's Baron Grackle from the SEGA Fourms? I'm on the SEGA Forums too!
Ayries
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10:03:18 AM May 12th 2010
There is nothing more representative of the cycles of Sonic fandom than the ways in which the image caption has changed over the last few months. I lol'd.
Carls493
10:21:44 AM May 12th 2010
I may have to contribute to that by keeping the caption at a "neutral" mood.
Marioguy128
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06:04:23 PM May 1st 2010
Would Spoil At Your Own Risk apply here since infinity spoiled the game and Sega threatened to do something?
Komodin
06:07:39 PM May 1st 2010
It does. The game haven't been released yet, and not everyone saw the leaked videos, intentionally or otherwise.
Shrikesnest
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08:04:20 PM Mar 8th 2010
Sonic The Hedgehog 2 was my first video game ever. I can't tell you how excited this makes me!
173.57.13.6
11:44:18 AM Apr 4th 2010
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Idiocy deleted.
Komodin
11:45:28 AM Apr 4th 2010
edited by Komodin
Don't be. Sega's most likely to fuck this one up too like they fucked up every game after Sonic 3 & Knuckles.

One, not all of the post-Genesis titles were bad (or even mediocre, for that matter)...

Two, it's Sonic Team that makes most of the post-Genesis Sonic titles. Sega merely publishes them.

It's not even looking any good.

How so, bucko?

The level design for Splash Hill zone is horrendous

Looks no worse that the level designs of Green Hill or Emerald Hill.

and the music is too grating on the ears.

Your mileage, as always, may vary. Just saying...
173.57.13.6
12:39:04 PM Apr 4th 2010
edited by Marioguy128
Good thing IP addresses are shared.
Carls493
03:32:26 PM Apr 4th 2010
edited by Carls493
And so the Unpleasable Fanbase continues. The opinions people have with this game are completly polarizing. Give this game a break, already, people. Seriously... Enough is enough. This Fan Dumb is getting really scary now.
173.57.13.6
04:04:49 PM Apr 4th 2010
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Komodin
04:08:30 PM Apr 4th 2010
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We're "fags" for "liking any of the newer Sonic games"? Wow, dude, do you have any idea of how that sounds?
71.112.48.200
04:28:16 PM Apr 4th 2010
Don't feed the trolls.

lalalei2001
06:32:07 PM Apr 4th 2010
So was the entire game, period, leaked, or just Episode 1?
173.57.13.6
06:38:26 PM Apr 4th 2010
All of episode 1 including the ending.
Ayries
05:47:33 AM Apr 5th 2010
Is it just videos, or was a... is it a ROM? I'm not sure about all this newfangled stuff. Was the game *itself* leaked, does anyone know?
Komodin
05:54:52 AM Apr 5th 2010
Just videos.
Ayries
07:55:54 AM Apr 5th 2010
Gotcha. Not as bad as it could have been, at least. (I still foresee many updates to Fan Dumb in the next few days of course... :\)
Carls493
11:55:16 AM Apr 5th 2010
edited by Carls493
We'll just have to wait until the game is released. The Unpleasable Fan Dumb isn't calming down anytime soon. Maybe when this game comes out, it will at least tone down all the rant. *shudders*
Ayries
12:54:11 PM Apr 5th 2010
So three months of this? Oh sweet lord.

(I bet this is all warmup for whatever they announce for the inevitable 20th anniversary game next year.)
173.57.13.6
03:15:20 PM Apr 5th 2010
edited by 96.63.36.153
Had to add a new trope since this game destroyed the base more than Shadow did.
Carls493
06:26:49 PM Apr 6th 2010
Beyond the Impossible. It's truly scary and amazing at the same time. Poor, poor Sonic...*sobs*
Milu
06:32:17 PM Apr 6th 2010
Sonic The Hedgehog 4 Episode I: The Fan Dumb Menace. Poor Sonic indeed :( .
Komodin
06:50:53 PM Apr 6th 2010
As much as I hate to admit it, "Poor, poor Sonic..." really is appropriate in this instance, especially in lieu of the recent leaks.
Carls493
07:52:55 PM Apr 6th 2010
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I've been a fan of the series for a long time. Please trust me, though. I know my standards among the Fan Dumb that I spawned from. Me saying "Poor, poor Sonic" sadly fits well here. This can only get worse.... This may even affect Sega and Sonic Team as a whole now. July needs to hurry up already, because this Hatedom may be the biggest one the series has ever gotten, yet. I just want it all to stop.
Komodin
07:54:53 PM Apr 6th 2010
July? The date of its release has been confirmed?
Carls493
08:00:40 PM Apr 6th 2010
I've read in some sources that the release date was July 2010. I've read in other sources that the release date was a more generic Summer 2010. I don't truly know what the release date is.
Carls493
06:24:10 PM May 1st 2010
Update: It really will be released in July 2010. However, the exact day is still unknown to me.
Komodin
06:27:54 PM May 1st 2010
Do you have proof of this?
Carls493
07:07:43 PM May 1st 2010
Well.... Yes I do.

I'm sure there are more sources than that.
24.100.111.218
11:39:00 AM May 17th 2010
edited by 24.100.111.218
I wouldn't normally like to add to the shitstorm of this wait, but it does look like another shameless "SONIC GOES BACK TO HIS CLASSIC 2D ROOTS" for his "BIGGEST ADVENTURE YET" hype to lead into a flop that has already been seen to happen in Sonic Advance. And then Sonic Rush. Similar to the hyping of Sonic and the Secret Rings with "BACK THE CLASSIC ROOTS OF PLAYING ONLY AS SONIC". It seems to me, at least. Each were almost okay but with more flaws than perks that made them mediocre-at-best in the difference. Especially telling is that Sonic's appearance is the same as it is in his other recent games. I know it has been an obnoxious bitching point before, but I would like to think that if this was an earnest project in trying to "go back and recapture the magic with a wacky prequelsequel" at best or "undo the damage that has been done through denial" at worst, Sonic's very asthetic would have changed to mirror his old black-eyed, chubby self. Unless he somehow changed to that appearance rapidly after Sonic & Knuckles, it does not make a heck of a lot of sense chronologically; Sonic the Hedgehog 3 and Sonic & Knuckles were released the very same year, Sonic Adventure followed after four years (and Sonic 3D Blast came out in 1996 right between them and Sonic was round-bodied and black-eyed there but it was a spinoff game so oh, well). It seems to me, at least.

tl;dr blah blah Downward trend in Sonic games moan whine Pessimistic monologue bitch bitch bitch Not original-looking Sonic hurrrrr

{edit}: Also I just want to add that there is that chance that this will end up a spectacular game. It seems to me, at least.
Ayries
08:35:51 AM May 23rd 2010
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Honestly though, there's a big difference between recapturing something and redoing it. Games and how they look and play HAVE moved on since the 90's. This isn't a nineties game redone in the current day, as Sega themselves have said, it's a natural continuation of it. Emphasis on continuation: forward, not back. What was marketable in the 90's maybe isn't today to a non-fannish audience. And since when has continuity even had a place in 2D Sonic games?

Also, the Advance and Rush series were flops? That's... not something I've really heard before. Most of the fandom I've interacted with is very enthusiastic about them, especially the first couple of Advance games.
Hydronix
07:38:06 PM May 16th 2011
Really, I find that only a select few of the Sonic games were terrible. No, not Sonic the Hedgehog (2006). It was far from good, but had redeeming qualities. The only one I'd say was horrible without any doubt is Sonic Free Riders. The rest have definate scores of good/bad/mediocre respectively.

Honestly, I won't get into a graphics debate, because I could care less about them. As long as they don't make the game an eyesore, I don't care. Likewise, as for Sonic's looks, too nitpicky, really. Closest I could see is that he doesn't look like he should be something timeline-wise. As in, he doesn't get green eyes yet or something.

As for Music, I think the game might've not succeeded in the department all too well. May be due to constant remixes, and when fan remixes are actually better, you gotta think something's up...
miru
11:51:40 AM Dec 14th 2011
Is that numbered guy who did the little rant vanthebaron?
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