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Craver357
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11:56:43 PM Nov 1st 2012
Why is the Real Life folder removed from this trope?
GGGG
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07:56:44 PM Oct 27th 2012
I edited this post due to arguing:

  • Jack Crow gets a two-for-one in John Carpenter's Vampires. He's both sexist AND violently homophobic.
    • When was Jack Crow shown to be homophobic? The closest this Troper can recall is a couple of passing remarks Crow made about vampires performing homosexual acts, and they probably weren't meant to be taken seriously.

It now just says he's sexist. If somebody could confirm or deny the character's homophobia (and edit if needs be) that would be appreciated.
FruityOatyBars
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09:20:11 AM Apr 10th 2012
The bit about "disturbing" similarity to Bury Your Gays is still here. How is being gay equivalent to being a bigot?
AwesomeBlackGuy
05:03:40 PM Jun 23rd 2012
People can be bigoted against gays, can't they?
Jordan
06:37:50 PM Jun 23rd 2012
Yes, but that's not what that means- whoever wrote that was saying basically "it's bad that people are bigoted against bigots, because this character (supposedly) often suffers Redemption Equals Death"
Stoogebie
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02:04:18 PM Jun 26th 2011
I noticed how the alternate titles for this trope are "Licensed Sexist". Does the character necessarily have to be a Straw Misogynist? Or can the hero just be politically incorrect? Like, say the hero isn't really racist, but they've used the term "half-and-half" to refer to biracial people and they seem to take it too far with bashing gay people. Or maybe the hero is mostly a Nice Guy, but kind of a condescending ass to women (and maybe is trying to overcome his misogyny).
85.95.113.93
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11:37:08 AM Jan 6th 2011
'This is mostly due to the present day view that prejudice is generally bad.'

WHAT. Prejudice IS bad. If you're gonna hate on an entire gender/race/whatever for a REASON, that's not the same as prejudice. That sentence is just... so wrong. 'The present day view' - sheesh.
Stoogebie
02:13:46 PM Jun 26th 2011
Well, I won't argue with your point that it is a very bad thing, but there is a bit of a Double Standard in regards to prejudice. For instance, tropes like Abuse Is Okay When It's Female on Male is unfair and very much of a misandry trope against men, but most find it okay when a woman hits a guy; if you were to Gender Flip them and then play the same scene, people would be up in arms.

The same can be said (to a lesser extent) about some racial standards. Hence why some refer to "non-white discriminating against a white" as reverse racism.*

So is the sentence egregiously understating the fact that prejudice is bad? Yeah, kind of. But 'present day view' kind of comes from the whole Values Dissonance of it all (black slavery, anyone?), and 'generally bad' is how some people think it's okay when done to Acceptable Targets, but not to certain people.
Jordan
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11:43:38 PM Dec 9th 2010
edited by Jordan
I think I might have brought this up in Trope Repair Shop at one point but it didn't get replies.

Anyway, the whole paragraph about how the character needs to be immacculate in other respects and is subject to Redemption Equals Death.... well, it doesn't seem to be true at all. Only a couple of the examples have this happen to them. That whole paragraph sounds like a Troper Filibuster anyway.

I think I might edit/delete that paragraph once I think of a better way to phrase it.
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