You can actually put this as an example in the film page.

I choose the first option. I am sorry you have somehow confused us with a site that was a serious attempt to take apart fiction. I mean I don't know how you got that from this site. We love silly pictures, we love to talk about things we like. That's all this website is.

Hrrm, Hentai is excluded from the Anime page. Did you even read it? If there are hentai example, just delete them.

Also, whats the complaint here exactly? That Fetish Fuel contains examples of sexual imagery/innuendos and other such arousing stimuli in non pornographic media? Well no shit

Keep the page.

I could accept some reasons for cut listing, but not some ramblings that border on Demonization.

Oh goddamit I just failed so hard. *embarrassed*

What do you mean?

We can use the term definition for 'Fetish Fuel.' It gets a lot of use. The problem here is the examples. Cutting them all will be great. People who are really enthralled with talking about their fetishes will have to go find one of the millions of other places on the web where they can do so.

Also... Charred Knight, you may be on the wrong site.

Against a cut. Removing examples might be necessary, but I'd prefer to try to clean it first.

Out of hand or not, this is a legitimate trope. It has to stay.

The problem I see here is that one person's Fetish Fuel could very well be another person's Squick and visa versa.

Again, all examples are now on Troper Tales pages.

Besides, going to those "millions of other places" would be even worse than this page, since those sites don't try to keep them PG-13.

So I'd at least like to fix the examples before cutting.

BTW, I'm moving the page list to the troper tales page.

EDIT: And done. I hope that helps. Now I'm going to see to the FF XIII page and clean up some of the text clutter.

All right. Troper Tales as a symbolic gesture is fine. My main problem was that it's linked to almost as much as IANMTU was prior to deletion. Anything that ubiquitous and that full of examples needs some heavy pruning at the very least. And can any of us assign a solid definition at this point? It used to be unintentional stuff in media that is a turn-on, but now it's a giant fetish dumping ground. That's fine, but we should admit that it is, move it to Troper Tales, and move on.

In the beginning it was fetishistic stuff in kids shows, often unintentional (often by way of having spawned the particular fetish). Then it started to go south. I agree that a page of everything that gets me off, ever is basically worthless, but you'll never convince anyone that this wiki should have a purpose other than 'ramble inanly about whatever takes your fancy.'

Not "everything that gets me off". Some of that is characters, which is Perverse Sexual Lust, and other stuff is just outright porn, which we are not going to have a page to cover.

"It used to be unintentional stuff in media that is a turn-on"

Wrong. From the original description, there was the line "Okay, half the time it actually is intentional."

Fast Eddie, than you need to get rid of half the pages like Narm, Wall Banger, the entire Darth Wiki, and Sugar Wiki, Made of Win, remove all photos that are trying to be funny, remove any edit that tries to be funny. I have certainly learned a lot about fiction since I got here, and my storytelling abilities have improved significantly but at the same time I have been having a blast just reading up on all the silly entries and pictures.

This seems to be less of an attack of Fetish Fuel than an attack at the very way the website has grown. Before I even got here people where having fun, and I got her like 2 years ago, so for two years this website has not been a place for serious people to have serious discussions. This isn't an academic website, trying to make it an academic website will just ruin the uniqueness of it.

I would like the examples to stay, but I don't want to resort to general arguments implying slippery slope.

I'll just keep the examples on troper tales, and, hopefully with some help, trim those that are over the line or don't fit.

Speaking of which, there are a couple I remember don't fit, and I'm moving them.

My point is that Parodoxical is not just railing against Fetish Fuel but his basically against the very concept of people having fun on this site which is a huge part of the site. If you honestly want to use the "this is a serious website" line than you might as cut every page and start over with a "No funny entries, no funny picture rule"

Against the very concept of people having fun on this site, no he isn't, stop exaggerating . He want's to cut pages and pages of disgusting 'this is my waifu i jack off to her' so that new visitors to the site will actually get to the interesting bits rather than running away in horror.

Wascally Wabbit: I am sorry if you think I am joking, but please don't be so obviously hypocritical in your post. I am trying to have a serious conversation here.

Since I haven't been here lately I just checked some pages. It's literally nothing more than people talking about perverted things from series like Evangelion. I am sorry to say but Hideki Anno is quite perverted, and designed the plug suits to show off the bodies of Asuka and Rei. To pretend that people like Ken Akamatsu and Frank Miller are not perverts is nothing short of laughable.

I also highly doubt that people are going to wind up on a page called fetish fuel on accident.

Pages that are not perverted in nature such as Fullmetal Alchemist need a trim but pages like Code Geass, Evangelion, Negima and other series that are aimed at Otaku are going to be perverted in nature and I see nothing wrong with talking about it.

Even if they are perverted, keep the discussion from going over the line. Even if you meant that, I just want it stated clearly.

I agree that "Fetish Fuel" is far too subjective. It's become "a list of things that get one particular troper off". That's really not a trope, at all.

I'm against cutting, but this could be retooled into a page for stuff that was intentionally designed to be Fetish Fuel. Like the plug suits from Neon Genesis Evangelion, as Charred Knight pointed out.

If it's something that got you off in the ways stated, but doesn't fit on other pages, then it's an example, just a troper tales one, which is why they are on those pages now.

As for intentional, we have Author Appeal and Playing To The Fetishes. This is to cover both intentional and unintentional, as the name implies. It's to fuel... you know.

But if you want to narrow it down to strictly a Fetish... actually most of the examples are just that anyway.

EDIT: If you mean that it seems that anything is being listed as a turn on, then you forget "If it exists, it is someone's fetish."

If you want to move all of the intentional Fetish Fuel to Playing To The Fetishes than that's going to take a lot of work. It's mostly barren now. We kind of concentrated everything to Fetish Fuel, Neon Genesis Evangelion isn't even liste on that page.

Playing To The Fetishes is more for direct fetishes, while less obvious examples are covered by Fanservice.

I suggest that we keep the page, but like PSL, we should write a note on the main page saying that examples were too subjective and have been added to Troper Tales.

There is a note in the description. I just put it in the middle so that those not wanting to see such stuff won't see it.

Thanks. Done and done.

And it should note that the work cannot be born or blatantly sexual.

You mean porn, not born, right?

Yeah, that was a typo.

I suggest you PM a mod (probably Fast Eddie) directly. I don't think any of them are monitoring this page. For some reason, everyone seems to be ignoring the discussiong pages as of late.

I'm sure they'd be more than happy to make sure the page redirects correctly. Eddie was so happy that he bought a URL for it (although it seems he has yet to set it up.)

Except these things are friggin' creepy. It's way Too Much Information, and this site shouldn't be associated with it.

Also read: The Google Incident.

I think it's less about removing family unfriendly stuff, and more about removing creepy, overly-perverted and/or Squicky stuff. I went through some examples, and among other things, I got rid of something that sounded like it was written by a pedophile, talk about how an anthropomorphic animal's gloves are sexy, somebody finding some Looney Tunes characters sexy, talk about diaper/baby fetish stuff, and natter. We don't realty want or need that kind of stuff.

Fetish Fuel just seems to have decayed to "I find this sexy" and as Rule34 shows, pretty much everything is sexy to some people. We don't need a six paragraph explanation of why someone found the random tree that appeared 20 minutes into episode 4082 of some random show sexy, and we have tropes for in-universe kinks and deliberate attempts to turn the audience on and other valid tropes.

It is working just fine.

It doesn't work for me either, it goes back to the Fetish Fuel page.

That is the idea.

I find it a bit annoying too. Make a request here if you like.