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Arawn999
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12:36:40 PM Nov 30th 2014
edited by 206.87.17.106
Since there's been something of an edit war going on regarding Zinnia, I'm surprised I didn't see any discussion going on here.

My understanding, based on watching the Delta Episode several times, was that Zinnia chose the player to take her place as Loremaster after she took her "trip into space", and that she intended to die fulfilling her duty to save the world. This is based on the remarks made by the leader of the Draconids, Zinnia's speeches in the Mossdeep Space Center and on the roof of the Sky Pillar, and the incantation she uses to summon Rayquaza, which explicitly states "my life as well I offer." Her response to Rayquaza reacting to the player and not her was surprise, meaning she didn't take not being chosen into account, further evidenced by her Heroic BSOD when Rayquaza failed to Mega Evolve and her statement after the player captures it. As far as Death Seeker goes, her speech on top of the Sky Pillar makes it fairly explicit that she wanted to die to be reunited with Aster, and if that doesn't make her a death seeker, then what does it make her? Also, she qualifies as a Type A (Depressed) Stepford Smiler since, as her conversation on the top of the Sky Pillar reveals, she is far more melancholy over the loss of the original Aster than her cheerful facade indicates.

Tropes can be implicit, and the implication that the human Aster was Zinnia's daughter comes from her use of term of endearment such as "dear", from her outright calling Aster the Whismur her daughter in Team Magma/Aqua's base, and from her speech on top of the Sky Pillar. Regardless, I also don't see how Aster the Whismur isn't a Replacement Goldfish since the Laconic for that trope is "Character adopts/creates a replacement for a lost loved one." That fits Zinnia's treatment of Whismur!Aster to a T, even if human Aster wasn't her daughter.
DemonGodOfChaos2
02:41:19 PM Nov 30th 2014
edited by 72.73.38.80
It's interesting, as I was apparently edit banned just for stating facts, yet Kaxrida kept changing it.
Arawn999
04:10:32 PM Nov 30th 2014
edited by 206.87.23.189
I PM'd Kaxrida and they said they asked a couple of friends who agreed that Zinnia didn't qualify as a Death Seeker for the reasons stated in the ATT. In any case, at least one moderator agrees with Kaxrida, which is why you were edit-banned. I made an Alternate Character Interpretation entry on the Ruby/Sapphire YMMV page.
SeptimusHeap
moderator
03:29:52 AM Dec 1st 2014
It wasn't an admin, it was a moderator (me), and it was not because I agreed with anybody on the material but because demongodofchaos2 was edit warring about it. There is no excuse for edit warring, bad example writeups and rude edit reasons at all, regardless of what "facts" say.
Arawn999
10:17:49 AM Dec 1st 2014
edited by 206.87.23.189
I see. I don't think my example write-ups were bad, since I explained why (in my opinion) Zinnia qualifies for those tropes based on the evidence I outlined in my original post up above, but I still got threatened with being edit-banned. IMO, the moment it seemed like an edit war was about to start the topic should have been brought here for civil discussion, but unfortunately that didn't happen.
VeryMelon
topic
10:23:36 AM Jun 15th 2014
Signature Move has been misused on these pages. I've replaced them with Weapon of Choice since that is the idea behind the original entries.
Euan2000
topic
04:36:15 AM Oct 9th 2012
Would Professor Burrnet of Dream Radar count for this page? I can think of a few tropes.

Anomalocaris20
08:14:37 AM Oct 9th 2012
Sure. Does she have any official artwork to use as the picture?
strawberryflavored
04:18:42 PM Oct 9th 2012
Yeah. here
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