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- The Artifact: Despite being one of the most stereotypically dragon-like Pokémon in the franchise, Charizard has always been a Fire/Flying type. In Gen I, the Dragon type was meant to be exclusive to the Dragonite line, and no family of Pokémon has been retconned to have the Dragon type since then (only newly introduced types such as Steel and Fairy). This was addressed in Generation VI by making one of Charizard's Mega Evolutions into a Fire/Dragon type.
In other words, Charizard being a Flying-type is The Artifact? The game lacks any Pokemon with three types, more Pokemon with wings are Flying-type and, if i am not mistaken, the major part of the exceptions have Levitate.
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Charizard gets just about everything a Dragon-type can get outside of Draco Meteor, and the Kanto generation also brought us Beedrill and Venomoth — flying Pokémon who have never been Flying-types nor had access to Levitate.
I'd wait and look around to see whether the Dratini family was specifically meant to have the Dragon-type to itself. If so, this entry should stand.
I'm not sure if that trope does apply to Charizard's flying type. The fact that it has a Mega Evolution that emphasizes its regular typing (Mega Charizard Y) means that being part flying is still a big part of Charizard as a character.
Flying types as a whole occupy a strange space on the type chart as they're almost always seen paired with another type. Only one Pokémon (a legendary I might add) has it as its only typing and one other family has it as their primary typing (no real difference is made in gameplay, but it has more to do with design basis).
Should we also disclaim that mega-evolutions, alolan formes and other alternate versions debut in their respective games together with cross-gen evolutions (see Pikachu line folder for reference)?
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Might as well put that on the top description.
Eating a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.
The following two versions of the Our Fairies Are Different example on Pikachu and Raichu have been in an Edit War, and a mod has suggested to bring them here:
1. Our Fairies Are Different: While not officially Fairy-type Pokémon, Pikachu and Raichu have been part of the "Fairy" egg group since the mechanic was first introduced... which is to say Pikachu is not only capable of Hot Skitty-on-Wailord Action, it's in the same group with both of them.
2. Our Fairies Are Different: While not officially Fairy-type Pokémon (Not to mention that the only Fairy-type move they can learn is Disarming Voice is via breeding), Pikachu and Raichu have been part of the "Fairy" egg group since the mechanic was first introduced.
Which one of these is correct? The debate is over whether the "Disarming Voice" is a shoehorn.
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I don't see any reason why this should be an example. It should refer to Fairy-type, not the egg group.
It's still part of the Fairy egg group, which — in my opinion at least — is noteworthy.
Fruity and batty.
Might want to check the mature content marking for this page - something's seem to be off about auto-content-marking...
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I've alerted the mods and asked them to fix it using the "this article needs moderator assistance" box.
That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.
It doesn't come from Zelda.
So, uh, how come the folder names for the Gen I and II families have been stripped down to just "___ Line", with the Japanese names gone entirely (save for text that honestly isn't as well-integrated and stand-out as it should be)? I wouldn't think it makes it easy for someone looking for a specific Pokémon while not being intimately familiar with their other stages.
Also, "Legendary birds" isn't even an official descriptor but fan terminology.
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So should I undo those changes, or what?
Um... er... wait one moment, 'll be back in a sec...
I had wanted to add the Japanese writing as well as the pronunciation if it was different from the name (like Kameil is pronounced "kameeru.") I also wanted to add the Pokédex numbers, just because I though it was nice.
So if you didn't like how it looked, how should I implement it?
The folder names should stay as they are now. Listing Pokémon only by the first member of their family makes it difficult to find the others, and there's no point in repeating "_____ line" for every family.
Including the Japanese writing and pronunciation is a nice touch, though. If you want to put them at the top of each folder's contents, go for it.
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Can I keep how I had it so long as the folder names are unchanged? For example:
008: Wartorle (Kameil (カメール; kameeru))
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- Wings Do Nothing: They're only for storing moonlight, according to the Pokédex. They can't fly and can't even learn Wing-associated attacks.
Clefairy's Pokedex entry actually states that its wings allow it to float when they're bathed in moonlight. Should this be removed?
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I've edited its entry as being played zigzagged as its wings are used in a unconventional manner.
Is Fearow really fat/bulky? If anything Pidgeot suits that description better.
Get Out of Our Home.
Should we add images of the Alola forms to the page?
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Yes.
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MagBas
- Adaptional Badass: Base form. Charizard is, overall, a decent Pokemon. But most non-game appearances have it MUCH stronger than its game counterpart.
he is a fully evolved starter pokemon. At least in paper, he is tougher than decent, considering their above average base stats. And their pokedex entry clearly not sounds only decent.
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I'd say it applies. Due to Wolverine Publicity,he does tend to be way more powerful in adaptations than he is in the games. I mean, I'm no competitive player but I know that Charizard isn't super-powerful either in lore or combat. Yet the anime has him being a huge powerhouse who was the first Pokemon to defeat a Legendary. That seems like it fits.
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Well I have to agree, I did post it after all, I didn't think it was really debatable. I'm not trying to bash or anything, its just facts are facts and Charizard is just kind of a average Pokemon. And I do play competitively and Base Charizard is... no one uses base Charizard. And people who play the waiting game will usually have him knocked out before he mega evolves. I know tiers and smogon aren't allowed but this is discussion and he's been in the lowest tier since gen 4 and hes never been that good. Even in game he's not super great or anything and there are better choices for fire types. And as stated above the anime makes him a complete powerhouse.
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Lore-wise, their pokedex entry describes a Scissors Cuts Rock scenario. Gameplay-wise, Charizard clearly is not intentionally weaker than anyone of the other fully evolved starters. The " the first Pokemon to defeat a Legendary." bit, however, sounds as a good argument.
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Agreed, it's not intentionally weaker than any of the other starters but it's not better, either. And yet in Pokemon Origins it beats Blastoise (despite the type difference). And it beats Giovanni's Rhydon when his Rhyhorn took out Red's entire team. And in the anime he's a huge powerhouse (other than when he doesn't want to fight). Not to mention Super Smash Bros where he is as strong as a literal goddess, but that's more Power Creep, Power Seep and doesn't really count.
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As Fighteer stated in Ask The Tropers, the No-Sell entries should be Elemental Rock-Paper-Scissors because the former is more of an plot trope, where the latter and this page are about Competitive Balance.
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MagBas
- Butt-Monkey: From a competitive perspective. For the most famous Pokémon in history, Pikachu sure gets snubbed a lot when it comes to possible new competitive toys to play with. For an example, see Power Up Letdown below; also, in Generation VI, it didn't become a Fairy-type (even though its cousin Marill did) and its Speed didn't get boosted (even though Raichu's did), only its pitiful defenses.
- Power Up Letdown: An event Pikachu with Extreme Speed was released during Generation V. You'd think that this would give it a bit more of an advantage over faster threats... except that it didn't have its Secret Art of Volt Tackle, forcing it to rely on the much less powerful Wild Charge for a physical Electric STAB, and not doing much to increase its viability.
quite blatant misuse; it is well far of the only pokemon that not received the Fairy type and the the own example admits that he received a stat boost. Beyond this, the Power Up Letdown example sounds as misuse also- if i am not mistaken, Pikachus that not started as Pichus breeded with a specific item generally can not learn Volt Tackle.
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Butt-Monkey is a completely nonsensical example.
Power Up Letdown... seems viable, if only because of how broad the trope is. After all, it's just Mutually Exclusive Power-Ups but with one of the powerups being worse, which is technically the trope.
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I'm pretty sure the Bulbasaur used in the first photo is shiny.
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