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resolved Question about Fandom Rivalry on a web creator's YMMV page
So this is kind of a very-weird, very-major hot button issue (outside of this site anyway), but I feel like it should be addressed.
A few people have added to/altered a Fandom Rivalry entry on Illymation's YMMV page about recent controversy she's going through in regards to beef with another channel. The entry goes more in depth, but basically the issue is about a video they made, which spiralled out of control when she told her Tumblr followers to flag the video.
I'm worried about this for a couple reasons—number one being that a lot of what people currently know about the issue is...pretty grossly exaggerated. The complaint that she tried to deplatform TBYS, which first came from the latter himself, isn't very trustworthy; Illy's Tumblr account apparently had only around 100 views before it was deleted (given the lack of tags in her name, I think that's pretty believable), and the way the strike system works doesn't account for the sheer number of reports, just judgment on YouTube's part after they see the issue; assuming he doesn't have any strikes already, they would just give him a warning.
There's a lot of other background that I don't want to address for obvious reasons, but the second issue is mainly about how recent this drama is; I know there's no hard-and-fast rule about No Recent Examples, Please! for Fandom Rivalry, but should it apply here? Mainly asking because we're still probably missing a lot of the full context for what precisely happened.
Just trying to give my two cents based on what I've seen/researched. I know I might sound biased (and I'd add more of the background if I knew for sure that it wouldn't add fuel to the fire), but I genuinely think the entry is problematic.
Edited by Coachpillresolved How many drafts on TLP? Anime
How many drafts can someone have on TLP? Is it one per user or can there a user have more?
openHow to know the creation date of a very old trope
Recently I added two tropes to Pages Needing Wicks: Instant Dogend and Bar Sinister. When you add tropes to the page, you put the date of creation of the trope in parentheses after the trope name.
However, both of these are pretty old tropes and predate TLP and the like, so I have no idea how to know when they were created. I wanted to ask how can I see their creation date so I can add that in the page.
openText from page missing
I did something wrong when I was editing Courtney and Duncan back into Total Drama Killer Bass per the CSP cleanup thread and now the entire text for the page is missing. It might be there when you go into edit, but not when you view it normally. What did I do wrong and what should be done?
openWick checks for Main/AnAesop
Hello,
I was doing a cleanup to get ride of wicks of An Aesop and it seems to me that this page keep on ending up on the "related pages" despite me checking countless times and seeing that the aesop wick is no longer there. Is this a technical error?
resolved Visible Odor needs a Playing With page, but I’m far too lazy to make one.
Exactly What it Says on the Tin.
resolved Validity of an example Literature
Wasn't sure where to put this, didn't seem like it belonged in "Is this an Example". I was adding something to ThenLetMeBeEvil.Literature and happened to find this:
- Fagin in Oliver Twist is such an anti-Semitic caricature that Dickens himself grew ashamed at the remonstrations of several Jewish acquaintances, mended his beliefs, and wrote much more sympathetic Jewish characters in the future. However, since Oliver Twist was so popular and has so frequently been adapted, the adapters have had to deal with the Unfortunate Implications somehow. Some of them have used this, depicting Fagin's villainy less as a stereotype and more as an understandable response to the grinding poverty and degradation he would have suffered due to the relentless classism and anti-Semitism in England in the period.
The whole example is basically complaining about Fagin being a Greedy Jew stereotype, which, fair enough! But the example
- doesn't even get to illustrating the trope until halfway through.
- isn't actually an example for the linked source material but rather about unnamed adaptations.
- is violating Examples Are Not General by not specifying any adaptations in particular.
So I think this should probably be cut. Agreed?
Edited by StarSwordresolved Found two cut tropes with no cutting reason stated.
I just stumbled upon Scolded By A Stranger and Unadoptable Orphan. Both have been cut but neither states a reason or links to a TRS discussion. Also, they've been cut without de-wicking first. Is this, huh, the result of a clean-up project I missed or something? I'm just asking here because it happened twice and seemed weird.
openWhere do we suggest subpages for image/quote source?
What it says on the tin. I notice a lot of new Image Source subpages being created, but can't figure out where it's being decided.
openRedirect policy
I wanted to check in for confirmation of a specific bit of redirect policy:
It is my understanding that, in situations where the following things are true:
- A work page exists for a series with multiple distinct installments (that is, books, movies, comics runs, etc.),
- Those individual works do not have individual pages, and
- Those works do have redirects leading to the main work/series page,
Then using those redirects in examples on trope pages is actively preferred, under the reasoning that we would eventually want to have pages for those distinct sub-works, and creating and spreading the redirects early saves a lot of time and error that would go into a mass-rewicking project later.
Is that correct? Because I've been operating under the assumption that it is, but I realized now that I could not find an Administrivia page discussing this situation (the main redirect-centered one is Creating New Redirects, which is focused on when to make new redirects and doesn't much talk about their use once they exist.)
resolved TRS Crowner
There is an active crowner for Creator's Pest at the Trope Repair Shop. Click here if you want to join the discussion.
openAutoEroticTroping
Hi, I recently made a previous thread on Thorion(aka jet556, aka Donner)
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=132277&type=att
However this thread concerns some contributions Thorion made prior to deleting that account.
As mentioned in the previous thread, Thorion promoted jet556’s work by creating pages about them:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/TheEvabonSaga
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/EnterKenFinlayson
They also made a fanfic recommendation:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/FanficRecs/Detentionaire
However there is also this page:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/LetsPlay/BryanCroiDragon
Like the first two pages, Thorion created this page(and the pages attached to it) and was the main contributor, with contributions by other users primarily being to make corrections/fix errors.
What makes this page also Auto Erotic Troping is that the page mentions that Bryan Croi Dragon’s birthday is September 17, 1992. That is the same birthday as jet556 according to the latter’s profile that The Evabon Saga page has a link to. So Bryan Croi Dragon seems to be the person behind the jet556, Thorion, and Donner accounts, making this is another case of self-promotion.
There’s also the fact that these pages were created by an ban evading account(Thorion) and he’s been caught ban evading again as Donner.
Edited by Clownishchimpresolved Should by YMMV/Trivia?
I stumbled across Quietly Performing Sister Show, which is a trope despite being about the works reception or objective ratings/presence, which sounds like it should be YMMV. It was created Oct. 11th, 2009 which seems to be before we were as consistent/strict about such, and has only 58 wicks.
Does this require Trope Talk or TRS? Or is there some place we can discuss this first (like a thread for deciding if something should be made YMMV/Trivia, or not thriving)?
resolved Reporting Plush2012321 Western Animation
I would like to report a user known as Plush2012321. This user is vandalizing the Rugrats character page and the The Rugrats Movie page by adding fanfiction-based content to them. For the former page, Plush2012321 keeps adding folders for animals that weren't in the movie, and for the latter, Plush2012321 keeps referring to the Wolf as a "Vasto Wolf" and the forest the babies get lost in as "Skull Territory". I've reverted the edits to the latter page, but someone else had to revert this Plush2012321 to the former page. That wasn't enough, as Plush2012321 re-added the fanfiction-based content. I'd like to have Plush2012321 reported as soon as possible to ensure that this vandalism doesn't continue.
(By the way, I hadn't meant to post this twice. When I clicked the save button, it gave me two copies.)
Edited by FlyingDuckManGenesisopenHow should I summarize this to make this a more concise example?
- Before and a bit during her Character Development set in, Amity Blight showed a bad habit of not practicing what she preaches.
- Amity said that it was her job as a top student to "encourage" those struggling, such as her former friend Willow, to keep trying (condescendingly), but when she lost her badge, she made a terrible example by acting out at the school cafeteria in an attempt to expose Luz and Willow's deception. It seemed that she cared more about her status than how she should present herself to her peers as a role model.
- In the same episode, as stated above, she was very demeaning to Willow for struggling in her abomination class honestly, yet she was very upset when Willow decided to cheat to pass, apparently not thinking that her treatment of her was partly the reason why she decided to do so.
- Amity was fine with nearly ruining Luz's dream of becoming a witch, but when she was unknowingly cheating on Lilith's part during the witches' duel in front of the Emperor's Coven and that it might jeopardize her future in joining them, it was considered an atrocity. Additionally, in "Reaching Out", it is revealed that she never wanted to join any coven and that her enlisting in the Emperor's Coven was her mom's dream, suggesting that Amity went along with it to minimize her misery, but it also shows that Amity got worked up over something she never actually wanted in the first place.
- Amity also told Boscha to leave Willow alone in "Hooty's Moving Hassle" since she was "born without talent", but she had no problem patronizing Willow herself in her debut.
- The same episode also showed that she was Lonely Among People and didn't like her Girl Posse, suggesting that she longed for real companionship, but when Luz offers her a chance at a true friendship, Amity rebuffs her and treats her with hostility and contempt, for a while at least.
- Part of the reason why she has an estranged relationship with her siblings is because they get away with everything and believe that as Blights, they need to uphold a higher standard, which was the exact opposite of what she did during her interactions with Luz, Willow, and others in general because of her unapologetic, unaccountable, and entitled behavior.
- She called Luz a bully over a series of misunderstandings despite her own hostile and antagonistic behavior toward Luz and Willow. While Luz was trying to make up and befriend her the whole time, she also has an Immediate Self-Contradiction when she says she doesn't get Luz, further showing that Amity isn't even putting in the minimum effort to get to know her despite "figuring out Luz's deal."
- She also accused Luz of prying into her friends' lives when Amity herself was the one who accidentally set Willow's mind ablaze to hide her past friendship out of pride, fear, and a refusal to face her problems.
- Before and a bit during her Character Development set in, Amity Blight showed a bad habit of not practicing what she preaches.
openNamespace issue regarding pages related to "Bleach: Can't Fear Your Own World" Literature
I think it has to do with a namespace issue that got changed, but the book Bleach: Can't Fear Your Own World seems to have some of it's pages not properly linked to it. As a result it has two YMMV pages, here and here. This is a simple enough fix, as the details exclusive to the first just needed to be moved to the second, something already taken care of. The other issue though is that the first has a Trivia page, and the characters tab redirects to the main character page.
As such, I think its best if the Trivia page be rewicked as "Bleach: Can't Fear Your Own World", and the character page has the alternate title "Bleach Cannot Fear Your Own World" either flat out removed or changed to the proper namespace.
resolved Can't see all of the articles in the more category Film
Hi! Huge fan of this site, been browsing for over 8 years now. I've noticed when I'm looking for things to read under a main subsection such as film, music, real life, etc, if I hover over the More section, it only shows me a certain amount of pages under it, not all of them. For example, in Film I can only see up to End of an Age. F-Z aren't in the list. Is there a way to navigate to see the rest of the tropes?
Tak CWAL and Redkun edit warring and arguing in edit reasons.
I think Redkun might technically be clear as Broken Aesop is YMMV so the deletions are making things in accordance with rules but it still would have been better to ATT first.
(I've checked and I don't think has been raised before but it was 11 days to a few weeks ago.)