During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
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to Jacob Lee Cobb.
Cobb and Incognito.
I am the King!
To Legion Phantom
Goku Black
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hey I asked on the chat but do you think bishop is heinous enough for this trope as I'm not sure thanks to king.
Btw, if anyone wants to discuss Middle Earth Shadow of War then PM me
Goku Black
Here's the second and final of the fourze rewrites :
original : Rem Kannagi, the Big Bad of Movie War Megamax. His Goal is to to use the power of the Astro Switches and the Core Medals from the future to become an all powerful being known as the Super Galaxy King and will do absolutely anything to accomplish this, and taking a sick glee in rubbing his advantage in the faces of his enemies whenever he gets the chance. He essentially kills Gentaro's girlfriend, Nadeshiko for the SOLU she's composed of, and then rubs that fact in Gentaro's face. He also had no problem killing anyone that gets in his way without an ounce of remorse, or creating clones of all the Greeed and Sonozaki Dopants for his own evil purposes. He gets his in the end though, after being Double Rider Kicked by Fourze Double Rocket States and OOO Super TaToBa Combo, sending him into the path of his own shuttle that runs him over.
rewrite : Movie War Megamax : Rem Kannagi wants to use the power of the Astro Switches and the Core Medals from the future to become an all powerful being known as the Super Galaxy King and will do absolutely anything to accomplish this, and taking a sick glee in rubbing his advantage in the faces of his enemies whenever he gets the chance. He essentially kills Gentaro's girlfriend, Nadeshiko for the SOLU she's composed of, and then rubs that fact in Gentaro's face. He also had no problem killing anyone that gets in his way without an ounce of remorse, or creating clones of all the Greeed and Sonozaki Dopants for his own evil purposes.
He was added to drafts so that acw can do the rest.
You know both kannagi and prospect are both part of the same organisation (Foundation x which are antagonists across multiple series) and count but are just generals. Unfortunately there boss Neon Ulsland does not count as she has a very hands off approach and does not get involved unless it requires to the point of only being in 2 episodes. So yeah The great leader of shocker is a better bet as he is more active and the main antagonist in the original series, kamen rider black and faiz so his villainy is more onscreen.
edited 16th Oct '17 10:52:47 AM by miraculous
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Catching up:
- Fanfic!Palpatine
- Cobb. And for those wondering (like myself) why iron, I found the book online: The uprights were iron and he had read that the Devil feared iron for it signified earth. That’s why people hung iron horseshoes over their doorways. Iron was a basic element of earth and an enemy of demons and the discarnate.
- I WANT to Incognito, but I'm a bit worried as to how he compares in heinousness to the Major and Blitz. Dude's certainly got the evil look down though. Look at him◊!
- Legion Phantom.
Also, if anyone wants another look over this week's batch before it's submitted, here you go.
edited 16th Oct '17 8:29:55 AM by ACW
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
He doesn't need to compare to the Major. the 2001 Hellsing anime has no relation to the manga. It went on its own way
Goku Black
The major and zorin don't exist in that anime as it cut before they were introduced so no problem. But which sucks because I like the major.
edited 16th Oct '17 8:32:22 AM by miraculous
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
The Merry Monarch of Darkness
Incognito and Legion Phantom.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
and Well then, if that's the case, Incognito.
Legion Phantom.
Incognito and Legion
Goku Black
@ acw : I rewrote the Aries zodiart and super galaxy king from fourze so there in the drafts for you to Take.
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By the way kamen rider villains go in order of appearance so legion will go below sora
edited 16th Oct '17 10:14:02 AM by miraculous
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
I saw them. Thanks. They'll go with next week's batch.
BTW, here's what's pending:
- Negaduck (32)
- Incognito from Hellsing: Impure Souls (43110)
- Alien Chibu Exceller (CyberXIII)
- Archimonde the Defiler (LoreDeluxe)
- Palpatine from Halo: The Terran Republic Affair & The Andromeda War (monsterhunter-2002)
- Savanti Romero (Overlord)
- Legion Phantom (PP)
- The Strain (TV series) rewrites (Lighty, OE)
- Lightysnake
- Nanbuko from Seisen Cerberus anime
- Cecil from The Bottoms, by Joe R. Lansdale
- Samuel Ruggert from Paradise Sky, by Joe R. Lansdale
- Jacob Lee Cobb from Skin Medicine, by Tim Curran
- Fat Boy & Snake from Waltz of Shadows, by Joe R. Lansdale ("Lost Lansdale" series)
- Raymond de Tancarville
- Jabberwocky; Pan; Cal King rewrites
- Ravok
- Ringmaster Jesus from Sparks (2013)
- Scraggle
- Nosferatu from Broken Moon, by Steve Niles & Nat Jones
- Reinhard Heydrich
- Vlad from Six Bullets (2012)
- Skunk from Edge of Dark Water, by Joe R. Lansdale
- Zelzarda from Hell's Bounty, by Joe R. Lansdale
- Krona rewrite
- TAO rewrite
Legion Phantom.
Also,
Write up
- Hellsing anime: Incognito is a sadomasochistic vampire who describes himself as living only for "total destruction". Working for his unseen boss, Incognito oversees the creation of the FREAK chip, which turns people into violent, unstable vampires. Incognito has been allowing those implanted with it to run amok and kill as they please. When the British airforce come to investigate his castle, Incognito infects them with his chip, stripping them of their humanity and turning them into his unquestioning soldiers. Knowing a pacifistic vampire is monitoring his activities, Incognito attacks and devours the peaceful woman, cackling at her death. Summoning a demon to destroy London, Incognito smiles with glee as it wreaks havoc on all in its path.
@ACW I think I'm just going to refer to it as "Hellsing anime" since that seems to be the more well-known name. Also, given the length of his write up, there should be enough potholes in as I put it.
edited 16th Oct '17 12:32:06 PM by 43110
Goku Black
Hey is it fine that kamen rider baddies pothole both there names and titles. As one is there position in the story and the other is a part of there character.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Please add to the Drafts. I'm thinking of the tree like this:
- Hellsing franchise:
- Manga:
- Major
- Blitz
- Anime series: Incognito
- Manga:
edited 16th Oct '17 11:28:57 AM by ACW
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
So, who is going to be doing the discussion on Cultof Chucky tomorrow?
jjj
The Unknown Unknown
Speaking of discussions, I bequeathed responsibility for discussing Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite to PolarPhantom for reasons.
EDIT: Oh, yeah. Incognito and Legion.
edited 16th Oct '17 1:04:16 PM by erazor0707
A cruel, sick joke is still a joke, and sometimes all you can do is laugh.
Incognito and Legion
Indeed. Expect any EP soon. Or not.
Thanks, erazor.
edited 16th Oct '17 4:53:14 AM by miraculous
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."