During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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What is the Work
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
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Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
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Final Verdict?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
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Lizzie and Tahir
edited 28th Aug '16 11:13:59 AM by Mediawatcher
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I managed to trim Caesar and Killian, but not without some effort. Caesar's is by FAR the longest writeup I've ever done. Now, I've only done 7, so...![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
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Done and done ("sticky-outy"? 
). BTW, if anyone has any way to trim Yhwach, I'll listen; as it is, I had to cut a bit.
edited 28th Aug '16 1:08:17 PM by ACW
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Two bits with the writeups: one, there should be an "a" before "black mage" on Mikaze's writeup. Two... on the Cannibal Ferox writeup, "similar movie" makes it look even more awkward and sticky-outy, so please just cut that part out entirely. I think readers will know what kind of movie it is anyways from the title alone.
edited 28th Aug '16 1:03:07 PM by Scraggle
to Caligula, Captain Constanta, Dr. Max, General Charles "Caesar" Samson, Mike Logan (can't hear that name without thinking of Chris Noth's character from Law & Order), Mikaze Nakagawa, Aaron Landis, Bony Lizzy, and Tahir.
@Shadao: You've convinced me. I'll put together an effort post for Game!Megatron in the next day or two. It'd be better if I'd played Fall of Cybertron, but I can get the info I need from the wiki and playthrough videos.
@ACW: I took a stab at trimming down Yhwach. I'm not sure how good a job I did, although I'm pretty sure that bit about him killing two Arrancars wasn't necessary. Here's my attempt:
- Yhwachnote is The Emperor of the Vandenreich, King of all Quincies, and the final Big Bad. Believing that all that exists is his to claim, Yhwach leads an attack on the Soul Society that kills numerous Soul Reapers, with Yhwach personally slaying the Gotei 13's commander, Yamamoto Genryusai. It is then revealed that Yhwach was responsible for the Auswahlen ("Holy Selection") nine years prior: stealing the power from Quincies he deemed "impure", which led to the deaths of many, including Ichigo and Uryu's mothers. Yhwach maintains his power and life by harvesting the souls of those killed in the war. In his second invasion, Yhwach uses the Auswahlen on his elite Stern Ritter forces, save his personal guard, when he deems them useless for the coming battle. Upon finding the Soul King, Yhwach kills him, nearly sundering the seperate worlds, caring nothing for those caught in the destruction. Realising the threat he poses to existence, Yhwach's own soldiers forsake him, offering aid to the Shinigami. Absorbing the Soul King's power, Yhwach sacrifices his Royal Guard before defeating Ichigo and stealing his powers, while threatening to kill Ichigo's friends in their happiest moments should they interfere, all to create a world where he won't have to die. Brutal and callous, Yhwach is defined by his selfish belief that everything exists only to benefit him, standing out as Bleach's cruelest and most dangerous villain.
edited 28th Aug '16 3:59:29 PM by DeCarta
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That might work. That bit about stabbing the two showed his Bad Boss tendencies, but the Auswahlen is a better demonstration. Lighty, as the originally author of Yhwach's entry, does the above encapsulate his deeds well enough?
De Carta, please add to the drafts page.
You mean Yamamoto Genryuusai, and I'd suggest spelling consistency. If you're using the "ryuu" spelling in Yamamoto's name, use it for Uryuu as well (or make it "ryu" for both names).
If you're trying to cut it down, I'd remove the "Believing that all that exists is his to claim," part of the second sentence because you repeat it in the final sentence and move the It's All About Me pothole down there to "... only to benefit him...".
edited 28th Aug '16 2:37:28 PM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
I prefer the original after Wyldchyld and I had made the revisions.
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That works. Like so:
- Yhwach note is The Emperor of the Vandenreich, the King of all Quincies, and the final Big Bad. Yhwach attacks the Soul Society, killing numerous Soul Reapers, while personally slaying the Gotei 13's commander Yamamoto Genryusai. It is then revealed Yhwach was responsible for the Auswahlen note nine years prior—stealing the power from Quincies he deemed "impure"—for all intents and purposes killing them—to restore his own power, which led to the deaths of Ichigo and Uryu Ishida's mothers. Furthermore, Yhwach maintains his power and life by harvesting the souls of those slain in the war, on both sides. On his second invasion, Yhwach callously uses the Auswahlen on his elite Stern Ritter forces, save his own personal guard, when he deems them useless to the coming battle. Finding the Soul King, Yhwach destroys him, nearly sundering the separate worlds, while not caring about the innocents or even his own soldiers caught up in the destruction. Said soldiers offer their aid to the Shinigami once they understand the extent of Yhwach's threat to existence; this Enemy Mine also includes various other factions, demonstrating how dangerous Yhwach is. Absorbing the Soul King's power, Yhwach later uses Auswahlen a third time on his Royal Guard, including his trusted second-in-command Haschwalth, before defeating Ichigo himself, stealing his powers and declaring his intent to bring ruin to Soul Society and the human world, while threatening to kill Ichigo's friends in their happiest moments should they interfere, all to create a world where he won't have to die. Brutal, callous and unrelenting in his selfish belief that everything exists to benefit and empower him, Yhwach stands as Bleach's cruelest and most dangerous villain.
edited 28th Aug '16 11:11:43 PM by ACW
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So you won't be wanting mine on the drafts page, then? Either way, I suggest keeping the note tab with the pronunciation.
I don't see anything wrong with Dino Geist's entry. :)
With the release of the latest 'Dragon Ball Super, Zamasu and Goku Black will have to be put on the watch list, since its highly probable both will count at the end of this arc.
@ACW and De Carta: I think the pronuncition of his name should be in the note.
I'm Sad Frogerson.
I was browsing the Monster.Literature A To L page, and I noticed this entry under Goosebumps and um, oh dear. This one needs a rewrite.
- Goosebumps Horrorland: The Menace, he was completely alive, kids died on his rides but he didn't care, due to his experiments in fear. The park was so scary, it somehow ended up in an alternate universe. Later, he found out Horrorland was made on his park, so he got contact with a horror to invite guests there so he get them to panic park, and make them bring the fear meter up so he can PP back to the normal world. It's implied he's done this before, but the previous kids got so scared they died and he simply doesn't care. He even got several other Goosebumps villains to follow him, including Slappy and King Tutten-Ra from another GBH book.
Anyone familiar with Goosebumps want to take a crack at this?
I could fix it, but it would have to be sometime tomorrow.
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@SuperSaiyaMan: Ah yes, I've heard about the latter from Username2527. Think he plans on effortposting at least one of those two characters by the end of that arc.
Seems like Lizzy and Tahir are unanimously a from everyone who's voted. I'm gonna hold off on the Tahir write-up though; there's still the Season 2 Big Bad I plan on effortposting. After I rewatch a couple episodes, I'll go ahead and bring him up, and then I'll get both of the write-ups (if the Big Bad is voted up) out of the way simultaneously.
edited 28th Aug '16 8:41:24 PM by Tyk5919
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I personally wasn't sure on Tahir. Might be able to better cast a vote once you've written up the other villain. I know you gave us the lowdown in Tahir's post, but it still helps to have another effort post as point of comparison sometimes.
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DeCarta, that is correct. I DID move the pronunciation of his name to a note; ditto for the meaning of "Auswahlen".
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Yeah I still have my eyes on Black (and Zamasu). However, there is still so much more about them that we need to find out in order to make an argument on whether or not they count.
New proposal, from Fist of Legend.
Who's the candidate?
General Fujita, a military commander governing Shanghai for Imperial Japan.
What does he do?
Chen Zhen's master, Wu, leads the local Chinese resistance, which Fujita seeks to put down. To do so, he has Akugetawa kill Wu in a duel. It comes to his attention that Huo would curb stomp Akugetawa, so he poisons Wu beforehand so he'll properly die.
Akugetawa soon learns of the poisoning, and is pissed. He confronts Fujita about it, criticizing him for lacking honour and not being a true samurai. Fujita says that he considers the true way of the samurai to be "total dominance of your enemies." Akugetawa attacks him for it, and Fujita kills him by breaking his back in two. He then has Chen arrested for the crime, but Chen is acquitted.
Later, Fujita is talking to Fukamashi and tries to convince him to challenge Ting-An, the new head of Wu's school, to a duel so Fujita can take over. When Fukamashi refuses, Fujita indicates that he'll harm his niece, Mitsuko (who's also Chen's Love Interest) if he doesn't comply. This doesn't work, because Fujita isn't very bright.
Fujita decides to make his final move to take over the school. He starts by meeting with Cheb and Ting-An, showing them The Mole that he had poison Wu, and shooting him through the head. He then battles the two, nearly killing Ting-An before Chen interrupts. Chen disables Fujita, but he gets up and tries to kill them both with his sword before being killed himself.
Heinousness?
As the Big Bad, he's the worst character in-story, but I'm not sure he's heinous enough.
Mitigating factors?
Nope. He's just a brutal tyrant lacking in honour.
Verdict?
Unsure, due to heinousness issues.
edited 29th Aug '16 1:34:36 AM by DemonDuckofDoom
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Don't know if he counts, but the final fight is AWESOME; not surprising, considering it features a Jet Li in his early 30s, fights choreographed by Yuen Woo-Ping, and the guy who played Fujita (Billy Chow) was a former kickboxing champion.
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I've seen Fist Of Legend. Every fight scene in this movie is just magnificent! But I don't think Fujita counts; when I watched a movie, I did not get a CM vibe from him.
edited 29th Aug '16 4:38:46 AM by emperors
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In the Cannibal Ferox write up, flat out calling it a rip off is a bit unprofessional even if it is one. That first sentence could be worded better.
edited 28th Aug '16 9:56:50 AM by LoreDeluxe
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