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I think that pic of Wong is great.

If no one else has seen Ghostbusters (2016) to lead the discussion on the baddie (Or just plain doesn't want to), I'll go ahead and claim the spot, I suppose.

edited 26th Jul '16 12:53:28 PM by Ravok

What if we never saw even a part of their body, as they kept themselves entirely in the shadows, but we heard their voice, saw their work, and between that, there was enough of a personality?

I've seen Ghostbusters 2016, but I'm terrible at effortposting, so...

@Ravok: I don't envy you, but I've gotta respect you for doing the job no one else wants to do, nor should do.

edited 26th Jul '16 1:33:49 PM by FriedWarthog

ACW, you've mentioned Borisenko before, and I've already explained why he doesn't count. Plainly, his revenge is caused by legitimate grievances with Dredd. I wouldn't dissuade you from reading a great storyline though.

Which Anderson villain were you thinking of, Lightysnake? I was briefly considering some myself, but ruled against them for various reasons.

Judge Fauster.

Yep, that's one of them. My main objection is that his bodycount because of the Judge Death plague is rather small compared to the other qualifiers, but was unsure how strong an argument for limited resources could be made.

Satan is another one, but his moment of self-doubt I feel is too ambiguous a disqualifying factor.

You may be right about Borisenko (I just finished the first half)...he just may take Disproportionate Retribution to it's extreme. But yeah, there probably aren't too many more...I mean, when the heinous standard is millions of deaths at a bare minimum...Though, doing some research, Krysler may be bad enough (at least Future!Krysler).
Incidentally, our old friend and current CM appears again soon.

edited 26th Jul '16 3:15:51 PM by ACW

I think someone pointed out pretty recently that Disproportionate Retribution is not a qualifier. Borisenko cared about his city, hence he fails the no redeeming traits criterium. In fact, I'm not sure even the disproportionate label applies. The whole point of his revenge is that he's applying the same eye for an eye logic that Dredd did.

Other than that I don't see anyone count except in future issues. Sure there are a few minor villains over the years, but I'm skeptical on pretty much all of them. For instance there's Judge Grice, a character who appeared between Necropolis and Judgment Day, who (again...) tries to destroy the whole city, but at least he started out with good intentions. That's a step above most others.

Krysler I'm unsure of, because the mutant one was cloned from the original. Considering clones have their own identities in the Dreddverse, I'm on the fence on counting them as the same person because they just share memories. That's rather unlike someone like Death, who's explicitly the same person both as a human and a monster.

edited 26th Jul '16 4:09:19 PM by Morgenthaler

Yeah, that's what I'm saying...DR, but doesn't count (though now I wonder how many we've approved who are like that...I'll let someone else tackle that if they want ). But yeah, someone like Death, or Sabbat (being bullied, fine, take revenge on the bully. Kill everyone? Not so much). Maybe just Clone!Krysler would count?
Meanwhile, I read Nemesis awhile back, but I gotta read some of the other entries on the 2000 AD list (Karkossa's work can be in 1 volume, while it looks like Slaine has a bunch of Gorn and Fanseervice).
Hmm, you may be right about it not even being disproportionate. Dude definitely meets the heinous standard though.

edited 26th Jul '16 4:20:21 PM by ACW

Here is a possible write up for Yorga:

• Count Yorga: Count Yorga is a vampire who has already turned two women into his vampire brides. After a couple drives him back to his castle, he proceeds to turn the girl, Erica, into his third vampire bride, and murders her boyfriend, Paul, when he tries to intervene. Capturing the female lead, Donna, he transforms her as well, and when the human protagonists, Hayes and Michael, arrive to try and save her, he feeds Hayes to his brides, and kills one of them to distract Michael. In the sequel, The Return Of count Yorga, he transforms numerous women into vampires and kills various people, all while planning to transform/ feed on an entire orphanage, and than the whole town. Though he dies, he succeeds in dooming the town by creating an undead army and closing off all escape routes.

Sorry it's a little long, but it does cover two movies.

That write-up is nowhere near too long.

@ Morgenthaler: Yeah, I had considered the heinousness issue...what makes me lean to Fauster is the method he planned to use to kill everyone in Meg 1 is ridiculously awful

You know...maybe. Please effortpost him? Especially if he planned to kill all of the city.
Bobg, please add here. Oh, and too long? It could still be doubled and be short enough.

edited 27th Jul '16 1:24:24 AM by ACW

I thought the Ghostbusters discussion would be for the 29th?

We can't do it early? It's been about 2 weeks, I think.

Nah, it's 2 weeks for everything now.

Still got two more days left. Although from what I heard about the villain, I don't think it'll be a long discussion.

OK.

I could think about proposing Fauster...unless you want to, Morgenthaler?

Also, Bleach ends next week, just a note in advance.

Anyways, I do have one Laymon proposal for right now. There weren't as many as I thought, to my complete surprise, but there're a few. Here's the first: Otto Schreck from Out Are The Lights

Who Is He?

Schreck is...the star of a series of horror short films that all feature Schreck in different roles. Schreck the Vampire, Schreck the Axman, Schreck the Gourmet, Schreck the Mad Doctor, Savage Schreck, etc etc, which are screened at a theater in between the other horror films that routinely play there and have become extremely popular to their gore and realism, and Schreck's captivating screen presence.

Except those victim ain't acting.

What's He Done?

See the above? Well, you can probably guess. Schreck the vampire is him cornering a victim and biting into her neck, Schreck the Axman is him using an axe on several victims at a campground. Schreck the Mad Doctor is him amputating the limbs off a captive 'patient', Schreck the Inquisitor is him subjecting a 'witch' to torture (and even cruelly giving a Hope Spot by allowing her escape before he attacks and plans to torture her to death...she manages to 'ruin' the film by committing suicide).

anyways, if this wasn't enough, Schreck and the other filmmakers have victims abducted/drugged to star in the films, or think they're making legitimate movies. One victim only realizes it's too late when Schreck begins killing her on camera (and it's implied not quickly either). When one of the others asks to watch, but is then sickened by what she's witnessing, Schreck orders her to watch with the clear threat he'll kill her should she look away.

During a screening of Savage Schreck (where Schreck plays a painted up 'savage' attacking innocent people in the desert), the novel's heroine, Connie, is catching a screening of the film. Being deaf, she reads lips to communicate, and at the end, she sees the victim (whose lines are dubbed over) saying frantically it's not a movie and what her real name is, before Schreck fires an arrow through her heart. She attempts to warn someone, but Schreck and his associates find out. Schreck kills the man with her, before he and the others decide to make her into the latest film for the final in the series that they can then 'go big' with.Schreck even asks to skin her alive (leading to one of the other two to gripe at him they can't do that without showing her naked, and they don't want to make it too pornographic). Schreck offers other charming suggestions as crucifixion (rejected because "Schreck the Carpenter" just sounds lame).

In the end they opt to force her to dig her own grave and bury her alive. She sarcastically proposes "how about a happy end where I kill Schreck and escape?" Response: "Nice idea, but I don't think we'll go with it."...however, she manages to get the better of them and manages to escape, with Schreck pursuing her. She gets the better of him, plants the shovel into his chest and when he collapses, she jumps onto it, driving it further into him, and finishing him off, before she presumably deals with the other two...the ending is a wee bit abrupt.

Heinous Standard?

See above. Schreck's the worst in the group, and is in this for the carnage and thrills. Ok, the novel entirely strains credulity, but we're not really going on realism here. The only other villains are Connie's abusive ex-boyfriend and his new girlfriend who Connie dispatches at the end as well, but they've only got a murder and attempted murder between them, so nothing near Schreck.

Redeeming Qualities?

Dear lord, you must be jesting.

Conclusion?

I think you can guess.

Shreck.

Schreck

"leading to one of the other two to gripe at him they can't do that without showing her naked, and they don't want to make it too pornographic"
Um, WTF? That's one of the STRANGEST cases of Even Evil Has Standards I've ever heard of. Violence: ! Sex: ! (Actually...now that I think of it...)
Anyway, Schreck. Almost seems like grimdark mindless stuff, except A) You probably wouldn't be proposing it if it was, and B) the good guy wins.

edited 27th Jul '16 8:12:08 AM by ACW

Schreck.

Easy 'Yes' to Schreck. And on that note, having the protagonist read lips to discover the truth is a pretty smart move on the novel's part.

As for Ghostbusters, yes, it will be the 29th before any discussion. When I said I would "claim the spot", I meant I'd reserve the discussion for said date of the 29th. And on THAT note...I actually think it's going a much more serious discussion than most here would think.