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Deadlock Clock: Feb 23rd 2017 at 11:59:00 PM
eroock Since: Sep, 2012
#1: Feb 19th 2017 at 4:14:48 AM

It's not clear to me and (apparently other users) how to distinguish between Late to the Punchline and Delayed Reaction for dialog-driven examples.

Both trope descriptions have in common that character A is making a funny comment and character B is not getting the true meaning right away. On the surface the difference is in the nature of character A's comment. LTTP wants it to be a joke, DR is more about insults. However, the line is blurry because stealth insults are jokes on the expense of character B which renders the distinction questionable.

A wick check revealed that twelve examples are mentioned on both pages, indicating that the tropes are either not well defined or covering similar ground with different words.

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Groo the Wanderer

Late to the Punchline
  • Groo the Wanderer.
    "What did he mean, "slow of mind?"
    • In one extreme case, he utters this phrase in response to a childhood flashback.
Delayed Reaction
  • Used as a Running Gag in Groo the Wanderer
    Someone: Groo, you can not understand this, since you are slow of mind.
    Groo: [pages later] ...What he mean "slow of mind"?

Calvin And Hobbes

Late to the Punchline
  • Calvin and Hobbes featured a couple of these:
    Calvin: [looking through some playing cards] What the...?? I'm not playing with a full deck!
    Hobbes: That's what people say.
    Calvin: Really? Then why didn't somebody buy some new cards?!
    [That night, in bed]
    Calvin: Hey!!
    • Another strip that's very similar to the above as well.
    Calvin: [looking under a chair] I've lost my marbles!
    Hobbes: Everyone suspected as much.
    Calvin: Well I sure hope somebody finds them.
    [That night, in bed]
    Calvin: Hey!

Delayed Reaction
  • In two consecutive strips of Calvin and Hobbes, Calvin remarks that he's "Not playing with a full deck [of cards]" and that he's "Lost his marbles [and hopes someone finds them]," to which Hobbes replies, "Everyone suspected as much." It is at night, in bed, when Calvin sits up and yells "HEY!"

Mystery Team

Late to the Punchline
  • Taken to the limit in Mystery Team. One character states that their sign reads "Lost kitten finding purrrrrfessionals", in which Charlie exclaims he finally gets the joke... Eleven years later.

Delayed Reaction
  • Charlie in Mystery Team. He is the last person to connect the dots, attacks Jason ten seconds after realizing it was him, and understands a pun the group made eleven years prior.

Star Trek Generations

Late to the Punchline

Delayed Reaction
  • Also from TNG, Star Trek: Generations has Data first use his emotion chip, which sets off the galaxy's biggest delayed reaction ever as he finally understands a joke Geordi made seven years earlier.

Monty Pythons Flying Circus

Late to the Punchline
  • In a Monty Python's Flying Circus sketch a police inspector introduces himself as "Lookout of the Yard" (as in Scotland Yard), to which another character replies by asking what they would see. Lookout is completely baffled by the comment and the sketch continues. A few lines later, he begins laughing inexplicably and it soon becomes apparent that he has got the joke.

Delayed Reaction
  • Appears in a Monty Python's Flying Circus sketch involving a series of police inspectors with strange names. When one introduces himself as "Lookout, of the Yard," one of the other characters asks "What will we see?" The inspector starts laughing about 30 seconds later, as he finally gets the joke, when he's in the middle of talking about the murder case.

Father Ted

Late to the Punchline
  • Father Ted: usually Dougal being very, very slow to get a joke, naturally enough.
    • The best example doesn't use an actual joke at all, but a highly noticeable recurring event...
      Dougal: Those women were in the nip!

Delayed Reaction
  • Father Ted has several examples.
    • From "Speed 3", Dougal has taken over as milkman after Ted gets Kavorka Man Pat Mustard sacked. The housewives on Mustard's route, still expecting Mustard, answer the door nude when Dougal comes knocking, but Dougal seems completely oblivious to this as he delivers the milk. At the very end of the episode, he suddenly sits bolt upright in bed and shouts, "THOSE WOMEN WERE IN THE NIP!!!"

Friends

Late to the Punchline
  • Also a common trope in Friends, often played out by Joey, frequently accompanied by Chandler making a witty one-liner at Joey's expense.

Delayed Reaction
  • Friends: This is almost a Running Gag with Joey, who has several of these throughout the series.
    [Joey, in deep thought, can't yet put together that the sex tape in Richard's apartment labeled "Monica" is probably referring to their friend]
    Chandler: GET THERE FASTER!

F Troop

Late to the Punchline
  • One of the many Running Gags in F Troop involved Cpl. Agarn making a snide comment about their current situation, like "It's a shame we can't get someone to sing in his place." The other person, realizing that this is actually a good idea, says "Agarn, I don't know why everyone says you're so dumb!" Later, usually after the next scene change, Agarn suddenly shouts "Who says I'm dumb?"

Delayed Reaction
  • Done more than once on F Troop, with O'Rourke's comment to Agarn "I don't know why people say you're so dumb", followed up several minutes/scenes later with Agarn's "Who says I'm dumb?!"

Arthur King Of Time And Space

Late to the Punchline

Delayed Reaction

Schlock Mercenary

Late to the Punchline
  • At one point in Schlock Mercenary, the audience see's Doyt's thoughts right after the Doctor insults him, along with a footnote that explains he's only just getting the insult from yesterday's comic.

Delayed Reaction
  • Doyt in Schlock Mercenary does this to a dig at his intelligence.
    Doyt: Severe [brain damage] as in stupid? Or severe as in dead?
    Haban: Doyt, considering the fact it would be hard for a copy of you to get any stupider, I'd have to say "dead".
    Doyt: [later that night] Hey...

George Of The Jungle

Late to the Punchline
  • George of the Jungle
    • In the "Dr. Chicago" episode, George announces to the Commissioner that ants on a railroad, "Steal track!" The Commissioner, misunderstanding, answers: "Yes, George — steel track. That's what makes the train run so smoothly." Shortly before the end of the episode, George bursts out laughing, and the Commissioner asks, irritably: "What's so funny?" George answers: "Steal track! Steel track!"
    • In another episode he's been caught in a snare by poachers who mean to leave him there. He comments "It pretty chicken thing to do to King of Jungle!" A poacher replies "If there be one thing I like, it be 'Chicken a la King'!" A few scenes later, back home, George starts laughing "Ho ho! Chicken a la King!"

Delayed Reaction
  • George of the Jungle: More than once, George would suddenly laugh at a joke he'd heard minutes, maybe hours, before.

The Simpsons

Late to the Punchline
  • "I am not slow!" That line was from when Homer and his friends were reunited for a night of poker. At some point, one of them told another one not to yell at Homer just because Homer was slow. Homer's brain then stopped to process the fact something mean was said about him. At first, he recalled the "don't yell at Homer" part but figured out that was nice. By the time Homer figured out he was called slow, the other guests had already left and the host was helping himself to a midnight snack.

Delayed Reaction
  • Homer's workmates call him "a little slow" on poker night in one episode. By the time Homer responds "How dare you call me that?!", it's hours later, and Lenny is in his nightshirt and cap when Homer finally asks about it, prompting him to say "Boy, you are slow!" Which then causes Homer to go through the exact same thought process again until Lenny tells him to leave.
    Homer: [thinking] Something said. Not good.
    Lenny: Get the hell out of here!

That said, Delayed Reaction is a much broader trope as it also includes reactions to non-verbal actions, like seeing something strange and only reacting to it once you are around the corner. Here's it's perfectly clear what trope is involved, but it's the dialog-driven variant which creates an irritating overlap with Late to the Punchline.

Suggestion 1:

Suggestion 2:

Suggestion 3:

  • Make Delayed Reaction a supertrope to Late to the Punchline.
  • Loose the Berserk Button reference in first paragraph of DR which is too specific and more in line with what LTTP is trying to cover
  • Move all joke-related delayed reactions to LTTP (including Stealth Insult variants)
  • Remove current image on DR and let IP decide if it fits better on LTTP

edited 13th Mar '17 2:02:29 PM by eroock

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#2: Feb 20th 2017 at 7:44:59 AM

Opening and clocking.

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Getta Since: Apr, 2016
#3: Feb 20th 2017 at 4:59:44 PM

Both options are good imo.

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#4: Feb 21st 2017 at 5:07:15 AM

I've always thought that Delayed Reaction refers to reactions to shock/fear/excitement. So option 2 is better for me.

eroock Since: Sep, 2012
#5: Feb 22nd 2017 at 3:49:53 PM

Any more votes for Suggestion 2 or other opinions?

Xtifr World's Toughest Milkman Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#6: Feb 25th 2017 at 12:58:28 AM

Suggestion 1 as presented seems over-elaborate, but contains one very sensible idea: that Delayed Reaction is the supertrope. I think that's a better idea than trying to limit Delayed Reaction to just non-humorous cases.

I suppose that might be suggestion 3: simply make Delayed Reaction the supertrope right now, and let TLP sort out any other subtropes (should they feel so inclined).

I will say that the current image on Delayed Reaction is probably not helping; it looks much more like it fits Late to the Punchline. Fixing that might well solve some of the confusion.

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Getta Since: Apr, 2016
#7: Feb 25th 2017 at 2:02:24 AM

[up] Agree

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eroock Since: Sep, 2012
#8: Feb 25th 2017 at 9:40:45 AM

^^ Some good ideas there but I don't believe TLP can solve the overlap for us. Hence I would outline a third option as:

Suggestion 3:

  • Make Delayed Reaction a supertrope to Late to the Punchline.
  • Loose the Berserk Button reference in first paragraph of DR which is too specific and more in line with what LTTP is trying to cover
  • Move all joke-related delayed reactions to LTTP (including Stealth Insult variants)
  • Remove current image on DR and let IP decide if it fits better on LTTP

edited 25th Feb '17 9:55:42 AM by eroock

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#9: Mar 6th 2017 at 3:19:23 PM

[tup] I like Option 3.

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Xtifr World's Toughest Milkman Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#10: Mar 6th 2017 at 3:32:47 PM

Sounds pretty solid to me.

(One quibble: I'm not sure about moving all joke-related variants. Only those which definitely fit the subtrope should be moved. That might be all of them...but I'd rather not pre-judge.)

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eroock Since: Sep, 2012
#11: Mar 7th 2017 at 2:22:57 AM

Anybody else having an opinion?

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#12: Mar 7th 2017 at 10:36:48 AM

Definitely [tup] for Option 3, with the caveat that just because it's a joke doesn't mean it's LTTP.

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eroock Since: Sep, 2012
#13: Mar 8th 2017 at 1:58:55 AM

I count 5 votes (including me) for Option 3. Others?

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eroock Since: Sep, 2012
#15: Mar 9th 2017 at 10:42:21 AM

How many votes does it need before I can start on option 3?

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#16: Mar 13th 2017 at 8:51:51 AM

Seems like enough (there wasn't any dissent).

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eroock Since: Sep, 2012
#17: Apr 8th 2017 at 3:26:25 AM

Repair complete:

Thread can be closed.

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#18: Apr 8th 2017 at 8:48:35 PM

Okay then, closing.

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