Opening and clocking.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanBoth options are good imo.
We don't need justice when we can forgive. We don't need tolerance when we can love.I've always thought that Delayed Reaction refers to reactions to shock/fear/excitement. So option 2 is better for me.
Any more votes for Suggestion 2 or other opinions?
Suggestion 1 as presented seems over-elaborate, but contains one very sensible idea: that Delayed Reaction is the supertrope. I think that's a better idea than trying to limit Delayed Reaction to just non-humorous cases.
I suppose that might be suggestion 3: simply make Delayed Reaction the supertrope right now, and let TLP sort out any other subtropes (should they feel so inclined).
I will say that the current image on Delayed Reaction is probably not helping; it looks much more like it fits Late to the Punchline. Fixing that might well solve some of the confusion.
Speaking words of fandom: let it squee, let it squee.Agree
We don't need justice when we can forgive. We don't need tolerance when we can love.^^ Some good ideas there but I don't believe TLP can solve the overlap for us. Hence I would outline a third option as:
Suggestion 3:
- Make Delayed Reaction a supertrope to Late to the Punchline.
- Loose the Berserk Button reference in first paragraph of DR which is too specific and more in line with what LTTP is trying to cover
- Move all joke-related delayed reactions to LTTP (including Stealth Insult variants)
- Remove current image on DR and let IP decide if it fits better on LTTP
edited 25th Feb '17 9:55:42 AM by eroock
I like Option 3.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.Sounds pretty solid to me.
(One quibble: I'm not sure about moving all joke-related variants. Only those which definitely fit the subtrope should be moved. That might be all of them...but I'd rather not pre-judge.)
Speaking words of fandom: let it squee, let it squee.Anybody else having an opinion?
Definitely for Option 3, with the caveat that just because it's a joke doesn't mean it's LTTP.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.I count 5 votes (including me) for Option 3. Others?
Option 3 is good.
How many votes does it need before I can start on option 3?
Seems like enough (there wasn't any dissent).
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.Repair complete:
- Image on Delayed Reaction replaced via IP and description optimized
- Examples sorted between Delayed Reaction and Late to the Punchline
Thread can be closed.
Okay then, closing.
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It's not clear to me and (apparently other users) how to distinguish between Late to the Punchline and Delayed Reaction for dialog-driven examples.
Both trope descriptions have in common that character A is making a funny comment and character B is not getting the true meaning right away. On the surface the difference is in the nature of character A's comment. LTTP wants it to be a joke, DR is more about insults. However, the line is blurry because stealth insults are jokes on the expense of character B which renders the distinction questionable.
A wick check revealed that twelve examples are mentioned on both pages, indicating that the tropes are either not well defined or covering similar ground with different words.
Groo the Wanderer
Groo: [pages later] ...What he mean "slow of mind"?
Calvin And Hobbes
Mystery Team
Star Trek Generations
Geordi La Forge: You get what?
Data: When you said to Commander Riker, "The clown can stay, but the Ferengi in the gorilla suit has to go." Ha ha ha!
Geordi La Forge: What are you talking about?
Data: During the Farpoint mission. We were on the bridge. You told a joke. That was the punch line.
Geordi La Forge: The Farpoint— Data, that was seven years ago.
Data: I know. I just got it. Ha ha ha! Very funny.
Monty Pythons Flying Circus
Father Ted
Friends
Chandler: GET THERE FASTER!
F Troop
Arthur King Of Time And Space
Schlock Mercenary
Haban: Doyt, considering the fact it would be hard for a copy of you to get any stupider, I'd have to say "dead".
Doyt: [later that night] Hey...
George Of The Jungle
The Simpsons
Lenny: Get the hell out of here!
That said, Delayed Reaction is a much broader trope as it also includes reactions to non-verbal actions, like seeing something strange and only reacting to it once you are around the corner. Here's it's perfectly clear what trope is involved, but it's the dialog-driven variant which creates an irritating overlap with Late to the Punchline.
Suggestion 1:
Suggestion 2:
Suggestion 3:
edited 13th Mar '17 2:02:29 PM by eroock