Example Indentation Problem

The proposal is not internally consistent.

• The Leader: Bob is the one every one looks to on The Team.

The team began as four men. They add a female character.

• Five-Man Band:
  • The Leader: Bob
  • The Lancer: Alex
  • The Big Guy: Charlie
  • The Smart Guy: David
  • The Chick: Ellie

Then the gang joins a Heroes Inc organization.

• Five-Man Band:
  • The Leader: Bob
  • The Lancer: Alex
  • The Big Guy: Charlie
  • The Smart Guy: David
  • The Chick: Ellie
• The Leader:
  • Freya is the boss of Heroes Inc, and Bob's boss since series 2. She's currently grooming Greg to take over when she retires.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

I am failing to see how it isn't internally consistent. First Five Man Band has multiple components that are a list of requirements that are required to make it a valid trope entry and also determine the individual characters role in it. We use similar layouts for lists where valid in the first place. The proposed method is used in other places on the wiki. Second The Leader as a stand alone with only one entry would never get a second level bullet and doesn't have multiple points to break down into bullet points. You literally have to go out of your way to interpret a single entry like that. At most all that has been presented is too much effort in creating a bad example that would at worst be a rather very rare occurrence or more likely an unintended typo that will get fixed.

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For composite tropes that don't involve character tropes, that scheme I suggested can be used as well, just on one page instead of two.

The mysterymarkup thing does exist sort of, with paragraph breaks.

^^That does not seem to be internally consistent to me, but in terms of how each subbullet is used - there seem to be two usages there, one as a subexample and another as elaboration.

edited 29th Apr '15 4:47:53 AM by SeptimusHeap

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There are two examples of The Leader, and both are second-level bullets.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

Nothing says one trope can't have two examples.

• The Leader:
  • Bob is the Leader of the Five-Man Band; he's the one everyone on the team looks to.
  • Freya is the boss of Heroes Inc, and Bob's boss since series 2. She's currently grooming Greg to take over when she retires.

edited 29th Apr '15 8:01:23 AM by Madrugada

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But the proposal of putting composite tropes under the Five-Man Band would mean that the one trope is in two different locations.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

And? One is in unique position that is specifically limited to the role of five man band only which specifically requires it no exceptions. It really doesn't take much to figure out what is going in that case. By current convention Five man band is mentioned five times if you are adding your context for each individual entry correctly.

Everyone else who falls under the leader trope in other ways can go under the leader trope as it normally is. Again with just one entry under the leader there is no reason for the second level bullet by any interpretation outside of going out of your way to make it like that. I am failing to see the issue.

Who watches the watchmen?

Here's something relevant to this discussion

on the F Eif Page there was a Team entry listed without ZCE's like this:

• The Team: In contrast to the subdued Hoshido family, the Nohr siblings have large personalities and weapons that fit the Five-Man Band archetypes, though the strict genders don't match up with Camilla and potentially the Avatar:
  • The Leader: Marx, the eldest, most mature member. He leads the armies and carries a magic sword
  • The Lancer: Kamui (the Avatar), contrasts with the rest of the team since they're adopted, but still holds great importance. They also turn against the team in the Hoshido path.
  • The Smart Guy: Leon, described as a genius. He attacks with spell books
  • The Big Girl: Camilla, large with a big axe, and willing to kill.
  • The Chick: Elise, innocent and joyful, uses a Simple Staff.

As I saw on this discussion page the mods prefer this way and I have formatted as such currently:

• The Team: In contrast to the subdued Hoshido family, the Nohr siblings have large personalities and weapons that fit the Five-Man Band archetypes, though the strict genders don't match up with Camilla and potentially the Avatar. Garon is the patriarch and Big Bad of the Villain Protagonist team. Marx is the direct and honest Leader of armies and carries a magic sword. Kamui (the Avatar), is The Lancer as the adopted, but important, sibling. In contrast to Marx' direct nature, Kamui is conflicted and will turn against the team in the Hoshido path. Leon is described as a genius. As The Smart Guy attacks with spell books. Camilla is The Big Guy with a big axe, willingness to kill, and she admires strength in others. Elise is The Chick as the innocent and joyful member with a Simple Staff.

However I believe that the original way is much more organized and easy to read than a Wall of Text.

I guess another loophole option for sake of clealiness is to have paragraph breaks and put the trope name at the end instead of the beginning? as such?

• The Team: In contrast to the subdued Hoshido family, the Nohr siblings have large personalities and weapons that fit the Five-Man Band archetypes, though the strict genders don't match up with Camilla and potentially the Avatar:\\
  \\\\Marx, the eldest, most mature member. He's the commander the armies and carries a magic sword by definition The Leader.\\
  \\\\Kamui (the Avatar), contrasts with the rest of the team since they're adopted, but still holds great importance. They also turn against the team in the Hoshido path making him/her The Lancer\\
  \\\\Leon, described as a genius. He attacks with spell books making him The Smart Guy\\
  \\\\Camilla, large with a big axe, and willing to kill making her The Big Guy \\
  \\\\Elise, innocent and joyful, uses a Simple Staff, making her The Chick.

edited 6th Jun '15 10:19:21 AM by acrobox

The bullet formatting on the FMB page itself is what implies that bullet points are the right method for composite/ensemble tropes. that and its examples are listed in brackets

If you want users to come to the Wall of Text conclusion on their own instead of having to read the separate Example Indentation useful notes page, the formatting on the FMB trope page itself needs to change.

Otherwise the fact that the main page is done in bullets makes a strong case that composite/ensemble tropes are the exception to the rule on indentation.

Just my two cents.

The formatting on FMB is a specific exception.

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It's also one of the grandest messes on the wiki, so it's not suitable as an example of standard procedure.

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