The first paragraph seems to be about natural sound effect drowning out the swear word. After that, the trope description is not specific anymore if it means a peep sound or else. If beep sounds are not included, what is the trope for that effect?
The problem might be that nobody actually reads the first paragraph for good reasons. It's a terrible attempt of self-demonstration.
Clock is set.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I think @2 asks a key question: is the use of "regular" censorship bleeping a trope or not? Is only the in-universe version so? Because if it is, I don't see why this name can't be commandeered for that purpose, and the "good" examples of the current trope moved to a clearer name.
We have a whole index of censorship tropes. I am going to say yes, regular bleeping out of bad language is a trope.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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Yes, this needs to decide if it's for all censoring of profanity or just censorship done by using an ambient noise or sound in the scene.
My vote is for the latter. "Beep"ing out swearing alone isn't usually relevant to the storytelling; it's just something that is done. It's Chairs, in other words. It only becomes a trope when the creator uses it, ...well, creatively.
I think we have a Missing Supertrope, and a couple of missing sibling tropes (like "beeping out innocuous words to make something sound much worse than it really is." and "Beeping out profanity with random non-"beep" sounds")
edited 6th Feb '15 5:47:46 AM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
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The first is Censored for Comedy (formerly This Trope is BLEEP). I thought we had the second, but I can't find it if so.
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And Censored for Comedy also needs to be cleaned up. I haven't checked wicks, but there are a number of examples where it's not done for comedy, it's perfectly standard bleeping of profanity.
Oy.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
That one could probably use a rename to make it more clear what exactly it is. Especially when it has an entirely different name outside of T Vtropes 'Unnecessary Censorship' maybe Unnecessary Censorship Bleeps would work?
Especially when Censored for Comedy does not actually refer to a bleep and censor bars or blurring for comedic effect or making things look dirtier than they actually are is a thing.
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Here's the way I see the "Censored" family working:
A) Toplevel Supertrope: Censor The Naughtyness (or whatever we decide to call it):
- The fact that censoring exists, and can be visual (censor bars, pixelation, etc if there are images, or asterisks or dashes in purely written works) or auditory (Bleeps, buzzes, sound effects, silence, etc.)
- That it can be imposed on the work by an outside entity (network, station, publisher, dubber, etc) or written into the work from the beginning by the creator.
- Definition only, no examples.
- Also serves as an index for all the subtropes.
..Sub-Trope: Censored for Comedy:
- A "Why" trope: it covers what is done and why, but not how it's done; can be done using any of the "How" subtropes.
- Specifically limited only to censorship imposed by the creator or someone working alongside the creator. A network censor bleeping something doesn't count here. The producer of a show like Whose Line Is It Anyway? or I'm Sorry I'll Read That Again censoring something to be does.
- The censorship must be to create or enhance comedy.
.. Subtrope: Unnecessary Censorship
- A "Why" trope. It covers what is done and why but not how it's done, and can be done using any of the "How" subtropes.
- Censorship imposed on the work from outside that isn't necessary. Includes things like radio stations bleeping out the word "drugs". The censor isn't trying to be funny or make the work funny. I think that this should be limited to outside censorship because if the censorship is built into the work by the creator, 999 times out of 1000 it should be Censored for Comedy.
The "How" Subtropes:
- Scenery Censor: Using a piece of scenery
- Censor Steam: Using steam or smoke
- Symbol Swearing: Using typographical symbols instead of the actual words
- Sound-Effect Bleep: Using an ambient sound in the scene to censor something being said (The auditory version of Scenery Censor, basically)
- Speech-Bubble Censoring (or whatever the name of it is): Using a Speech Bubble; specific to Comics or other forms that use Speech Bubbles.
- Censor Shadow: using shadows
- Censor Suds: bubbles
- Whatever other tropes we have about how works are censored; I don't have that index open right now.
edited 6th Feb '15 8:10:56 AM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
That unnecessary censorship sub trope isn't what the name Unnecessary Censorship has actually be come. 'Unnecessary Censorship' is censoring unnecessary words to make them sound dirty, it's been an existing term for quite a while.
Now maybe Overly Restrictive Censorship might work
edited 6th Feb '15 8:14:13 AM by Memers
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^ Right. Which is a nearly complete overlap with Censored for Comedy. Which is why I'm suggesting making it a different trope, with a new name, if needed. Right now, the name sounds like the definition I have in that post, not "censoring innocuous words to make something sound dirtier than it is".
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Oh yeah, I was just saying that for subtrope 2 it's going to need a different name.
The misuse on Censored for Comedy is probably left over from when it was called This Trope is [BLEEP] and just wasn't cleaned up, so I wouldn't necessarily pass judgment on it now.
edited 6th Feb '15 4:13:19 PM by Leaper
Extending clock.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
So what now?
Clock is up with no progress; closing.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
(Second attempt at this, since the first was deleted for not including examples.) This entry claims in the description to be about diegetical sound effects (like a foghorn when the characters are actually on a boat, or a crash that happens on-screen) occurring at the same moment that someone swears, conveniently drowning them out. But a lot of examples have piled up — as well as wicks — referring to straight-up actual bleeping, using random out-of-nowhere sound effects to the exact same effect, or references to the practice of bleeping. I've copypasted some random samples:
Sabrina:(to Jerry) But she's not swearing!
Jerry: I know, but this way it sounds like she is.
And at least one example that straight-up belongs in This Trope is [BLEEP], which I have already edited out:
And so on. Clearly people are confused as to what this entry is for. The use of diegetical audio censoring is unique enough to merit its own trope, and I think Sound-Effect Bleep should be kept for this purpose, but I don't know whether the other examples deserve to be offloaded onto a new page or just wiped. Conventional bleeping in its many forms is kind of a People Sit On Chairs at this point, particularly on American TV.