Hi
Opened.
No, the other one.
Something for The Grand and Unified Appearance Trope Clean Up
thread?
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Sounds like the best place for it.
Seems like it'd be an appropriate topic for that thread, yeah.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Oh, kinda forgot about that thread. I'll move it there.
IDK, that thread involves restructuring tropes that are basically about appearance into things that are not so PSOC. This one seems to be a trope as written: character has a large nose but this is considered a compliment to their features rather then a flaw, but it suffers from more misuse than correct use.
I mean it is all the same to me I guess, but this seems to be a bit of a different animal than all those eye color and hair color clothing item tropes.
Unless I am misunderstanding the trope completely??
Looking at the examples, I think two ways to improve it is to declare it no real-life examples, and stressing much harder that the character is considered attractive within the work because of the nose.
Right now it seems to have attracted examples of just noses in general.
It should also get a page image.
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There's already been two IP threads about the trope.
....yea, I don't think the appearance trope clean-up thread is going to be getting to this anytime soon. The real life section's been axed though.
Even if I proposed axing the Real Life section, I think doing so right now is premature, since we don't have a consensus of the needed changes yet.
No, the other one.
The trope was brought up in the Real Life section maintenance thread, and got consensus there.
Do we have a super trope for attractive characters who have one conventionally unattractive feature that makes them more striking and therefore more attractive? Like, this trope but not limited to noses?
Yes, Attraction to Outliers. This would be a subtrope of that.
Hmm, close, but I was thinking something limited to physical features.
It also seems to talk a lot about a single character being attracted to the trait, and the name implies that too. So it's not that close.
While whatever that trope is it's not going to help here. The definition for Cleopatra Nose is sound. The problem is that people are misusing it for Gag Nose, or seem to be under the impression that "character with big nose" is a trope and are shoehorning it.
I can't see the description or the name being misleading so this might just need a wick clean-up.
edited 20th Sep '14 5:25:08 AM by captainpat
Do we need to lose the entire Real Life section? It feels weird to not have Cleopatra down there.
edited 5th Oct '14 7:35:37 PM by tbarrie
It's mentioned in the description. That seems good enough. I don't see why we need to have a folder for one small example.
Is it mentioned in any historical fiction works?
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Not fiction, but I think one of the seminal mentions (the only one I know of, at least) is in Blaise Pascal's essay collection Pensées: “If Cleopatra’s nose had been shorter, the whole face of the earth would have been different” (413).
Clock is set.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
This is supposed to be about a character with a big nose that portrayed as attractive because or in spite of it. Instead it's being used for big noses in general, and collecting a lot of zero context entries, most of which are referring to elderly and/or Gonkish characters.
Wick check
correct
questionable
Zero Context Examples
edited 14th Sep '14 9:31:49 AM by captainpat