Does Not Illustrate: Useful Notes.Green Is Blue

It shows Luigi being an example of the "trope" through using the eyes, right?

Well, the fact that two of the pictures came from western shows (ie, aren't made by the Japanese) means that the picture doesn't demonstrate the "trope" properly, unless they're made by a company whose native language that either doesn't distinguish between green and blue, or whose native language where they're "not as universally distinguished as would be understood in English". (The bottom-right image seems to be from Super Mario 64 DS, which means it might demonstrate it better).

Besides, the trope seemed to me for demonstrating more of Early-Installment Weirdness or Art Evolution than this "trope".

I think this picture [1] might demonstrate it better - what would normally be a green light on that traffic light is more bluish in color. (And the photo's title implies it's from Japan).

edited 23rd Apr '14 8:12:52 AM by KarjamP

I'm not where I can look at the suggestion right now, but I agree that the current doesn't seem to be getting the trope across succinctly enough.

Isn't that the normal colour of traffic lights, though?

I wonder if it's contributing to misuse, or if I'm reading too far into this. I mean, out of 23 bullets, 8 are directly about inconsistent eye color:

• In Dragon Ball, the Super Saiyans eye color is usually greenish in the anime, but from time to time they appear blue in some Toriyama illustrations, as well as in some promotional media and certain isolated anime episodes.
• The Yu-Gi-Oh! manga gave Bakura blue eyes while the first anime adaption gave him green eyes. The second adaptation (the one which made it overseas) said "screw it" and made them brown.
• In The World of Ginger Fox, Ginger's eyes are sometimes blue and sometimes green. The cover art shows her with an eye color partway between green and blue.
• Amy Lee of Evanescence did an interview on Tokyo FM, and was complimented on her green eyes. This is where it gets complicated. It's been said that she has green eyes naturally, and wore blue contacts around the time of the first album. This interview was near the time of the second album, but in her childhood photos she had blue eyes. It gets really complicated, because in the Japanese translation, the DJ used the English loanword グリーン, or green.
• Fox McCloud from Star Fox is one of the better documented examples of this trope. In the 1993 comic, his eyes were green in the early pages, then blue through the rest of the comic. They remained blue in Star Fox 2. Star Fox 64 had a particular Art Shift that did not show eye color at all, but Farewell, Beloved Falco and Star Fox Adventures firmly established him with emerald green eyes. But this began to slip again in Star Fox: Assault, where most of the official art showed him with green eyes, but at least one picture not only showed him with blue eyes, but the blue faded to green within the same irises. They're green again in Super Smash Bros. Brawl.
• In Metal Gear Solid 3, Big Boss' eyes are described as blue in dialogue, but they appear green. Snake's eyes were also dark green in Metal Gear Solid 2, but described in his bio in Metal Gear Solid 4 as blue and appear clearly blue in that game.
• Torahiko Ōshima from Morenatsu is usually drawn with blue eyes, but some of the artwork shows him with green eyes.
• Fate/stay night: Although the text says that Saber's eyes are green, she is more often than not drawn with blue-green or even just flat-out blue eyes.

...but then, I wouldn't necessarily say the trope doesn't cover eye color inconsistencies, just that the trope is broader than that.

Previous discussion. Someone must have removed the note from the source, and it's not in the history either.

I vote to pull the current. Traffic light illustrates nothing. I don't think this can be illustrated.

Actually, the answer is very simple:
BLUE

edited 23rd Apr '14 9:59:34 AM by Rethkir

I think just inconsistent eye colour is misuse. However, the MGS3 example is solid, since it's about the written description not matching the visuals.

Food for thought: similar images were used to illustrate this trope on Cracked.com. And I see a lot of references to tvtropes.com on Cracked.com. It seems it's a decent source of inbounds I think.

Whether that makes any kind of difference though I don't know.

edited 23rd Apr '14 2:55:50 PM by Lakija

Clock is set.

So, any thoughts on my suggestion in 5?

There's a psychological experiment #5 could be confused for, but the idea is so elegant, I don't believe there is a better image. All I can suggest is a collage of lakes, oceans, rivers, with the caption "water is blue".

Sounds like a good idea. Let's see how it turns out.

You'd have to do that with things like grass and trees, and call it blue. This trope is essentially calling green blue, which was what 5 was all about.

Your suggestion is called the en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroop_effect

I'm talking about images like http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-photography-boat-water-image18299017 http://m.123rf.com/photo-8355337_beach-with-green-ocean-water-under-blue-sky.html http://m.123rf.com/photo-486091_green-reflection-of-a-forest-in-calm-river-water.html http://fineartamerica.com/featured/water-lily-pond-carol-groenen.html

Greens and blues that are all recognizable as water, despite it not always being the "right" colour. This isn't a trope page, it is showing why Colour A in one language is both Colour A and Colour B in a different language. "Water is blue" is an old English-language axiom, despite being (obviously) wrong.

The first two images don't look green, though. Maybe [1]◊ or [2]◊

The first image is a "blue-green", the second image actually shows a transition of greenish-blue to blue tones. My suggestion is not a collage of dark green water. That would be irrelevant to this Useful Note. Your first image is like my third.

Again, I like the elegance of "Blue" in green letters.

edited 14th May '14 6:59:53 PM by crazysamaritan

I'm not sure if that actually illustrates the concept. If water looks like that, we don't call it blue. Not so much confusing the words as just having an actual colour like that.

No, we don't call it blue. The point of the useful note is that other people do call it blue.

edited 15th May '14 3:08:54 AM by crazysamaritan

I feel compelled to point out that this trope isn't just "bluish green", it's specifically about how the colors are perceived by different cultures. Unfortunately the only thing I can think of that illustrates it even kind of was some Slice of Life anime where a character complains about how the green traffic light is called blue ("aoi"), even though they now have a word for green ("midori") that better describes the color. Beyond that, I got nothing.

Or maybe just a traffic light?

Traffic light showing both blue and green/turquoise as 'green'.◊

edited 15th May '14 1:52:51 PM by m8e

Re-clocking; this is the first chance I've had to look at and I really like it.

I like it. I always wondered about that a a kid. Some lights in Chicago are bluish, and others are green. Most are somewhere in between.

And I'm starting to sound like a Dr. Seuss book.

More accurately, most are cyan in Chicago to me.

edited 19th May '14 8:44:03 PM by Lakija

Bump, 19 resized and slightly cropped.

Alright, the clock is up on this one. I pitched to the staff and the consensus was that it was a good pic, and it's certainly more illustrative than the current, so I'm going to go ahead and swap it in. Locking up.