Ambiguous Name: Non Identical Twins

At a first glance, this trope's name seem clear enough - it's about Fraternal (non-identical) twins in fiction; but the description says differently. Apparently, this trope is actually about two characters with distinct appearance is presented as twins, and nobody can tell them apart, despite the obvious difference. The description then continued to explain that this is ''Not to be confused with fraternal twins (actual non-identical twins) or Half-Identical Twins. This only counts when the twins are obviously meant to be identical, but their identical-ness is an Informed Ability."

And yet almost all the examples are listing down fraternal twins, and I'm quite sure I've seen the wick misused in some character pages. Not to mention, we also have a sub-folder in the Always Identical Twins page that lists aversions (i.e. when the twin in question is fraternal), which I think should be in this page instead. Any other thoughts?

Could be fixed. (I didn't notice this thread because I read a new post in another thread at the same time.)

I do question the tropeworthiness though. Always Identical Twins is about something. Identical Twins and Fraternal Twins don't seem to have reason.

edited 12th Oct '13 9:02:29 PM by MikuruFan

This is a casting effect. "Fraternal twins" in this context aren't tropes and need to be cut.

In that case, do we need to remove the "Fraternal Twin" subdivision in the Always Identical Twins page too?

But anyway, Non-Identical Twins, in all understanding, simply means "fraternal twins". Using this as the trope name, while meaning something completely different, is just asking for misuse.

Half-Identical Twins look like they might be collecting some misuse as well.

Checking the wicks, I realized that we have another trope called Alleged Lookalikes - which is basically this trope, but for characters with no twin relations. Given that neither page have a lot of examples, this page should be merged to Alleged Lookalikes, since that trope name is clearer. Further thoughts on this?

edited 13th Oct '13 9:16:07 PM by theAdeptRogue

On the other hand, this trope is healthier by the numbers. 92/25 vs 13/10 wicks/inbounds.

I think a merge sounds like a good idea. I'm a little too tired at the moment to figure out if there are any notable distictions between the tropes, though, aside from the actually being blood related twins part, which to me is of rather secondary nature to the trope.

edited 30th Aug '14 4:45:18 AM by AnotherDuck

The only reason this trope is more "thriving" is because of the plethora of misuse actually. More than half of the examples listed here (and its inbounds) are simply "fraternal twins in fiction" rather than the actual trope.

Can you show that the wicks have less than 14% correct usage? Otherwise it's not the "only" reason.

Okay, so the wick check of the examples list goes:

Correct:

1. Inu Yasha
2. The Great Muppet Caper
3. The Comedy Of Errors
4. News Radio
5. Xena Warrior Princess
6. Victorious

Misuse

1. Ranma One Half (disguise and impersonation is not this trope. This is more an example of Paper-Thin Disguise)
2. Urusei Yatsura (same as above)
3. Zatch Bell (same as above)
4. Eyeshield21 (Identical Twin ID Tag)
5. Dungeon Keeper Ami (Not even blood related)
6. Stuck On You (Not presented as identical)
7. The Dunwich Horror (Simply fraternal twins)
8. Home And Away (Fraternal twins)
9. Friends (No twins are involved. Also, nobody was fooled)
10. The Suite Life Of Zack And Cody (Fraternal twins)
11. Sonic Adventures 2 (An example of Alleged Lookalikes)
12. American Dragon: Jake Long (They look exactly the same except for the hair)
13. Brooktown High (Fraternal twins)
14. Chikyuu Sentai Fiveman (same as above)
15. Classical Mythology Protogenoi (ditto)
16. Danisnotonfire (Alleged Lookalikes)
17. Dubious Origins (Actual non-identical twins)
18. Groj Band (Actual non-identical twins)
19. Yosuga No Sora (Half-Identical Twins)

Unclear:

1. Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (their Identical-ness is not touched upon)
2. Diabolik Lovers (potholing)
3. Drowtales Vel Sharen Clan
4. Comic Book/Noobs

Zero Context Examples:

1. Mermaid Melody Pichi Pichi Pitch
2. Rival Schools
3. My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic/SliceOfLife
4. Captive of the Red Vixen
5. Horseland
6. Ice Age

• 36 wicks
• Correct use: 6
• Misuse: 20
• ZeroContextExamples: 10
• 17% correct uses.

EDIT: Fixed the list. Thanks. I'm not quite familiar with the forum shortcuts yet

edited 14th Oct '13 9:11:11 AM by theAdeptrogue

Ice Age is misuse: fraternal twins

You can list entries by number by using # instead of * for the list.

Edit: it works on the forums and on trope pages.

edited 14th Oct '13 4:16:04 PM by crazysamaritan

Good enough. That name sucks.

Identical But Unrelated came to mind, but that might not be much better.

False Identical Twins?

Allegedly Identical? I think that name is broader, if we agree on a merge with Alleged Lookalikes that is.

That sounds like Identical Stranger, which is almost the opposite.

I think this name (Non-Identical Twins) needs to become a subindex of Twin Tropes.

Well, this trope is already indexed in the Twin Tropes at the moment; but that being said, many seem to agree that "A list of non-identical (fraternal) twins in fiction" is not a trope, so I don't see the purpose of indexing the name there.

edited 16th Oct '13 9:12:46 PM by theAdeptRogue

Bump. So, are there any other suggestions, or are we fine with merging this trope with Alleged Lookalikes? Also, is aversions of Always Identical Twins "fictional fraternal twins" tropeworthy? Because we have a split example in the Always Identical Twins which lists down exactly this - which could be transplanted to the current name if it's enough to warrant its own page.

Someone did clock this thread, but didn't announce it - doing so.

Clock's up; locking for inactivity.