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Needs Help: Stone Punk get usage counts

Several problems:
  • All of the examples are Zero Context Examples, and most have the year/s it airednote . Took that issue to another thread.
    • No partial/parodies/subversions
  • Description isn't that clear (no laconic doesn't help). Think it's Theflintstones the trope, and that show was the Trope Codifer and/or Trope Maker
  • Appears to be no YKTTW.
  • New trope that just launched, Medieval Prehistory, is very similar, if not overlapping, and is way better done than this.
  • Only 6 wicks

I think the best thing is to cut it, and maybe merge into Medieval Prehistory or another trope.

edited 11th Oct '13 3:15:58 AM by spacemarine50

 2 Larkmarn, Fri, 11th Oct '13 6:22:34 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
I agree that Stone Punk is awful in description, examples, and name.

However, I feel like it's not covered by Medieval Prehistory since Stone Punk is more like Modern Prehistory. I'd be surprised if we don't have SOMETHING kicking around somewhere.

 3 m8e, Fri, 11th Oct '13 6:33:55 AM from Sweden Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
It just needs some work. Sandal Punk have the same problems...

 4 the Adeptrogue, Fri, 11th Oct '13 6:52:04 AM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
I agree with @2. This page does need help, but I must say that this trope is distinct from Medieval Prehistory. The latter is using prehistoric elements in a Medieval Age setting (or vice versa), while this trope (I think) is when the setting is clearly prehistoric, but it somehow accomodates urban lifestyle

Stone Punk is written as a genre page, not a trope page. Many (most?) of our genre pages simply list works and do not elaborate on why they fall into a particular genre. See Sports Stories, Urban Fantasy, Sea Stories, Romance Novel etc.

So I guess there is a somewhat larger question: Should all such pages require elaboration about why the work fits the particular genre?

edited 11th Oct '13 7:25:26 AM by Catbert

 6 Septimus Heap, Fri, 11th Oct '13 8:25:37 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
This is cited as a genre on Wikipedia, for what it's worth. Don't think the rename is a problem, and I've not seen too many genre pages with written-out examples.

Assuming this stays, any way to improve the description and examples? Also finding more examples, expanding the definition and crosswicking.
The name is fine to me. X Punk describes technology and setting of speculative fiction.

Guessed what it meant based on the established snowclone of X Punk stuff. And yeah, pretty sure genre pages often fail to describe the series.

The wicks thing needs to be fixed and there could be more works with links.

This is also an index, not a trope.

When I think of index, I think of it listing tropes like this one. not ones just listing titles w/ nothing about how it's that trope.
There are plenty of work indexes.

Seriously, pick out a random work and click on a link in the blue bar on the bottom. That's an index.

Most are for media though, but some are genre, like Urban Fantasy.

edited 11th Oct '13 9:22:02 PM by MikuruFan

Thinking we need a Administrivia page on doing genre pages, like the one you posted.
 14 Septimus Heap, Sat, 12th Oct '13 2:46:07 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Can't think of a reason why we would need a policy page on these. Almost all genre pages I've seen were fine from an usability/writing standpoint.

 15 lu 127, Sat, 12th Oct '13 4:51:05 AM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Genre lists can have descriptions, they just aren't necesary. Stuff like Urban Fantasy is so commonplace it doesn't take much elaboration, while others like Clock Punk are chock-full of explanation.

Anyway, unless we already have this under another name, it seems all it needs is some Wiki Magic.
 16 the Adeptrogue, Sat, 12th Oct '13 7:33:59 AM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
So other than the fact that it's not thriving, there's no problem with this page then?

Yeah, pretty much.

 18 Septimus Heap, Sat, 19th Oct '13 3:39:27 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
This has 236 inbounds. Is there really any reason for action here?

[up]Not sure is that's a lot, and no idea how old this is. It only has 6 wicks, which is too few for any trope.
 20 Septimus Heap, Sat, 19th Oct '13 3:53:21 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
It's not a trope. It's a genre page. If you want to cross-reference it, sure.

It needs more references and growth, but that's not a TRS job.

I see three things main that need to be done:

  1. Turn on the indexing option.
  2. Make sure that the examples, as much as possible, link to a work page. For example, instead of The Clan of the Cavebear it should say Earths Children and Quest for Fire instead of the French title.
  3. Take out the release dates because that really isn't how we normally list works

edited 21st Oct '13 9:35:34 AM by Catbert

 23 Septimus Heap, Mon, 21st Oct '13 10:12:37 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
I did #1, as well as part of #2.

I made the list alphabetical within the media forms.

edited 24th Oct '13 5:19:24 PM by MikuruFan

I don't think anyone has checked the examples for misuse. Do The Flintstones and Quest for Fire really belong to the same genre?

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