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Deadlock Clock: Dec 5th 2013 at 11:59:00 PM
spacemarine50 Since: Mar, 2012
#1: Oct 11th 2013 at 3:10:55 AM

Several problems:

  • All of the examples are Zero Context Examples, and most have the year/s it airednote . Took that issue to another thread.
    • No partial/parodies/subversions
  • Description isn't that clear (no laconic doesn't help). Think it's Theflintstones the trope, and that show was the Trope Codifer and/or Trope Maker
  • Appears to be no YKTTW.
  • New trope that just launched, Medieval Prehistory, is very similar, if not overlapping, and is way better done than this.
  • Only 6 wicks

I think the best thing is to cut it, and maybe merge into Medieval Prehistory or another trope.

edited 11th Oct '13 3:15:58 AM by spacemarine50

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#2: Oct 11th 2013 at 6:22:34 AM

I agree that Stone Punk is awful in description, examples, and name.

However, I feel like it's not covered by Medieval Prehistory since Stone Punk is more like Modern Prehistory. I'd be surprised if we don't have SOMETHING kicking around somewhere.

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m8e from Sweden Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#3: Oct 11th 2013 at 6:33:55 AM

It just needs some work. Sandal Punk have the same problems...

theAdeptrogue iRidescence Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#4: Oct 11th 2013 at 6:52:04 AM

I agree with @2. This page does need help, but I must say that this trope is distinct from Medieval Prehistory. The latter is using prehistoric elements in a Medieval Age setting (or vice versa), while this trope (I think) is when the setting is clearly prehistoric, but it somehow accomodates urban lifestyle

Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
#5: Oct 11th 2013 at 7:07:39 AM

Stone Punk is written as a genre page, not a trope page. Many (most?) of our genre pages simply list works and do not elaborate on why they fall into a particular genre. See Sports Stories, Urban Fantasy, Sea Stories, Romance Novel etc.

So I guess there is a somewhat larger question: Should all such pages require elaboration about why the work fits the particular genre?

edited 11th Oct '13 7:25:26 AM by Catbert

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#6: Oct 11th 2013 at 8:25:37 AM

This is cited as a genre on Wikipedia, for what it's worth. Don't think the rename is a problem, and I've not seen too many genre pages with written-out examples.

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spacemarine50 Since: Mar, 2012
#7: Oct 11th 2013 at 7:54:37 PM

Assuming this stays, any way to improve the description and examples? Also finding more examples, expanding the definition and crosswicking.

MikuruFan from Away Since: Nov, 2012
#8: Oct 11th 2013 at 7:55:30 PM

The name is fine to me. X Punk describes technology and setting of speculative fiction.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#9: Oct 11th 2013 at 8:32:00 PM

Guessed what it meant based on the established snowclone of X Punk stuff. And yeah, pretty sure genre pages often fail to describe the series.

MikuruFan from Away Since: Nov, 2012
#10: Oct 11th 2013 at 8:34:34 PM

The wicks thing needs to be fixed and there could be more works with links.

This is also an index, not a trope.

spacemarine50 Since: Mar, 2012
#11: Oct 11th 2013 at 9:20:01 PM

When I think of index, I think of it listing tropes like this one. not ones just listing titles w/ nothing about how it's that trope.

MikuruFan from Away Since: Nov, 2012
#12: Oct 11th 2013 at 9:21:11 PM

There are plenty of work indexes.

Seriously, pick out a random work and click on a link in the blue bar on the bottom. That's an index.

Most are for media though, but some are genre, like Urban Fantasy.

edited 11th Oct '13 9:22:02 PM by MikuruFan

spacemarine50 Since: Mar, 2012
#13: Oct 12th 2013 at 2:39:20 AM

Thinking we need a Administrivia page on doing genre pages, like the one you posted.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#14: Oct 12th 2013 at 2:46:07 AM

Can't think of a reason why we would need a policy page on these. Almost all genre pages I've seen were fine from an usability/writing standpoint.

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#15: Oct 12th 2013 at 4:51:05 AM

Genre lists can have descriptions, they just aren't necesary. Stuff like Urban Fantasy is so commonplace it doesn't take much elaboration, while others like Clock Punk are chock-full of explanation.

Anyway, unless we already have this under another name, it seems all it needs is some Wiki Magic.

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theAdeptrogue iRidescence Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#16: Oct 12th 2013 at 7:33:59 AM

So other than the fact that it's not thriving, there's no problem with this page then?

mikurufan from Away Since: Nov, 2012
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#18: Oct 19th 2013 at 3:39:27 AM

This has 236 inbounds. Is there really any reason for action here?

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spacemarine50 Since: Mar, 2012
#19: Oct 19th 2013 at 3:45:02 AM

[up]Not sure is that's a lot, and no idea how old this is. It only has 6 wicks, which is too few for any trope.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#20: Oct 19th 2013 at 3:53:21 AM

It's not a trope. It's a genre page. If you want to cross-reference it, sure.

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mikurufan from Away Since: Nov, 2012
#21: Oct 19th 2013 at 2:03:20 PM

It needs more references and growth, but that's not a TRS job.

Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
#22: Oct 21st 2013 at 9:31:45 AM

I see three things main that need to be done:

  1. Turn on the indexing option.
  2. Make sure that the examples, as much as possible, link to a work page. For example, instead of The Clan of the Cavebear it should say Earth's Children and Quest for Fire instead of the French title.
  3. Take out the release dates because that really isn't how we normally list works

edited 21st Oct '13 9:35:34 AM by Catbert

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#23: Oct 21st 2013 at 10:12:37 AM

I did #1, as well as part of #2.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
MikuruFan from Away Since: Nov, 2012
#24: Oct 24th 2013 at 5:19:09 PM

I made the list alphabetical within the media forms.

edited 24th Oct '13 5:19:24 PM by MikuruFan

Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#25: Oct 28th 2013 at 6:30:20 PM

I don't think anyone has checked the examples for misuse. Do The Flintstones and Quest for Fire really belong to the same genre?


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