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The image on Blatant Lies is blank. We've already used that joke (if you can call it that) on Invisible Monsters and Artifact of Attraction. And it'd be so easy to find an image for this...

This is one of the best examples I can think of. Buck is telling one person that the McGuffin is real, and another that it is fake, with both persons clearly present.

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I am not clear on how the italicized part is relevant, and it looks like all text to me.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

The italicised part is relevant because both Psmith and Der Rock know he's lying to one of them. If he manages to persuade Psmith that he is lying to Der Rock, he also persuades Der Rock, and vice versa; so he cannot possibly hope to collect from both parties, yet this is exactly what he is trying to do.

edited 23rd May '13 12:56:59 PM by Noaqiyeum

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I got it more that he was being deliberately ambiguous about it being real or fake. Don't see the trope at all.

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Some options: Last two panels, last two panels, last panel

Those all work. I prefer the Sinfest one, as that illustrates the trope without being so wordy.

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5.1 is best, since the Sinfest bit really could be screams of ecstasy without the context that it's "eternal damnation" and tone in text is weird and the Loserz one has a bit of Unfortunate Implications doubled with "Well, maybe she really is just a close, old friend of his."

And hair could just spontaneously change colour. It can.

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I vote for 5.3 on the grounds that it's simpler and easier to understand than the others and also takes up less space.

Fewer words in the pic would be better, but I think for this trope its impossible to illustrate it without dialogue since you practically must speak in order to lie blatantly.

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I like 5.2, it's a good illustration.

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5.2 an 5.3 are both very good. I can't decide which I prefer.

Oh yeah, and would 5.1 be part of an example for Kaleidoscope Hair?

edited 24th May '13 3:45:37 AM by Telcontar

That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.

...what? No it can't.

There's no reason we have to use more than one panel to illustrate this, so I dislike all of the options so far.

edited 24th May '13 6:54:19 AM by Noaqiyeum

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You've not read that webcomic, have you?

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Why should (s)he have to?

Read the last panel.

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Oh, it's an in-universe sort of thing. I thought you were talking about hair turning white from shock, or something. Sorry.

New suggestion: Panel 2 (link should go to the third strip).

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"...the Sinfest bit really could be screams of ecstasy without the context that it's 'eternal damnation'..."

I disagree. Or rather, I think there is some context: fiery pit, devil girl / horns. Obviously screams of suffering. And it'd be on a page called Blatant Lies. I like it.

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.

That was kind of my point before. While it's possible to interpret all three suggestions in #5 as non-lies, that's not how they're presented. I don't see a significant difference in the validity of the lie in any of them, so on that basis, they're about equal. Though admittedly, that the girl in the Loserz one believing the lie does weaken it somewhat. Otherwise I'd have preferred that over the Sinfest suggestion.

Pretty much.

edited 25th May '13 7:25:34 AM by AnotherDuck

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One can effectively discount any image by overanalyzing it; I do not consider that a strong argument. Hellfire + demon girl = screams of agony, that's the most reasonable interpretation of the Sin Fest image.

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I like Sinfest too; the middle two panels of Skin Horse are okay, but might better fit something like Most Definitely Not a Villain. (Personally, I think the "joke" better fits this trope than Invisible Monsters, but for obvious reasons it might be the best option available for the latter.)

edited 26th May '13 3:36:37 PM by MorganWick

...except that she isn't a villain. :P And the fact that panel 2 stands on its own is a significant advantage.

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That's why I said "something like", and I'm not sure how well it really does work on its own. Maybe I'm thinking of Suspiciously Specific Denial.

...I was going to say that her face has two different colours of skin, and hair, stitched together down her nose, but I suppose you could argue that the stitching isn't obvious and her hair might just be dyed.

So, if you insist, more single-panel options.

• Panel 2
• Final panel
• Bears◊
• Axe a stupid question

edited 26th May '13 8:20:11 PM by Noaqiyeum

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...It's black and white, how am I supposed to know there even are two different colors of skin?

I like the last two; the D Mot R one would be better if it were better quality, but even then the dialogue balloon placement might be problematic.

edited 26th May '13 9:01:16 PM by MorganWick

I like 23.4, but then I remembered that it's currently being used for Implausible Deniability.

edited 26th May '13 9:46:07 PM by Rethkir

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