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The Grand and Unified Appearance Trope Clean Up (now on ThighHighBoots):

Currently on the table: Thigh-High Boots

There is on TV Tropes, a common bad habit that persists among editors of using appearance tropes, or names that sound like they could be appearance tropes, badly. They always suffer from the same problems and they tend to clog up the TRS like they're on a revolving door. As such I'm making a large scale special effort in order to address the common problems all of these tropes have.

Sometimes non-appearance tropes are mistaken for appearance tropes. Report them here and the clean-up will be handled.

We're going to search for the best ways to change the culture and make sure that the misuse stops. Tropes will be handled here and we'll likely have a fair number of crowners on this thread. Keep checking back for new developments.

For full details, including the to-do list and crowner list, check this post.

edited 8th Apr '14 9:23:55 PM by Madrugada

Well usually ZCE either get commented out, moved to discussion, or just deleted.
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 352 Ironeye, Tue, 29th Jan '13 6:14:02 PM from SoCal Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
Cutmaster-san
I think troacctid has the right idea with Duality Motif—there's no reason eyes are special in regard to the underlying idea. That leaves us with:
  • Duality Motif
  • Mismatched Eyes Of Madness
  • [Mismatched Eyes Means Something's Different About Them] — Probably write this up such that The Reveal about the differences is important—obviously cybernetic eyes wouldn't count unless there's some big story about why the eye is missing.
    • Possibly split this between "and that's the story of how I lost this eye"/[eyes being used as markers for injury] and "There Is Something Weird About That Eye".
  • [An Unusual Trait Marks You As Special]
  • [A Shared Unusual Trait Marks You As Connected To Someone Else]
  • Examples that should just be on Red Right Hand
  • Some trope vaguely inspired by Windows to the Soul about how eyes are markers for magic
I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.
 353 Troacctid, Tue, 29th Jan '13 8:43:03 PM from California
Just pointing out we do have Mad Eye, if that's relevant. I don't think the chaos/madness version is really a trope anyway. I know a couple of those examples and they're definitely not legit. We can scrap that section.

Eyes as markers for magic is probably Evil Eye in most cases. The cybernetic version is Electronic Eye.

edited 29th Jan '13 8:46:00 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
 354 Ironeye, Wed, 30th Jan '13 12:04:11 AM from SoCal Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
Cutmaster-san
That would certainly account for many of the odd eye out examples. The remainder significance in that category would be along the lines of Conservation of Detail: the eye looks odd, and thus there's a story behind it. Not tropeable, I think. And, yes, while madness was supported in the description, the example support never really materialized.

So, updating the to-do list (all placeholder names, of course): Looks like Mismatched Eyes aren't special after all.
I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.
 355 Noaqiyeum, Sat, 9th Feb '13 9:21:07 AM from across the gulf of space Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
the it-thingy
Bump?
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The suggestion to split Mismatched Eyes should be added to the crowner.

 357 Septimus Heap, Sat, 9th Feb '13 10:35:34 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
No, because it's a Single Proposition crowner.

Seeking for Light
I think we might need a new crowner.

 359 shimaspawn, Mon, 11th Feb '13 9:45:56 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Make up a new crowner and I'll hook it.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

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 360 Septimus Heap, Mon, 11th Feb '13 11:00:37 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
A YKTTW for this thread's attention.

 361 Marq FJA, Wed, 13th Feb '13 11:15:31 AM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
As a result of this trope talk thread, I would like to request that Evil Albino and Heroic Albino be given a look at. Primary issues are:

  1. The Appearance criteria, or whether or not the tropes have to be restricted to explicit examples of the real-life medical condition of albinism. For the record, almost every so-called "albino" character that I know or heard of is — even ones that are explicitly called as such — not a true albino by the real-life definition, but rather simply a combination of white or pale-colored hair, light-colored or even visibly pale skin, and very-distinctively-red eyes note ; if we limit ourselves to the real-life definition, then we might gut the two tropes so severely that it would be probably more efficient to just cut the tropes altogether.
    • Now that I think about it, this popular-but-unrealistic depiction of what an albino looks like sounds like a trope to me (I'll be calling this appearance combo Fictional Albino from now on, if you don't mind) — more specifically, a Missing Supertrope to Evil Albino and Heroic Albino (assuming that we don't end up cutting them outright, that is). What do you think? Fictional Albino could be drawing upon the combined effect of the "s/he is special" connotation of White Hair, the "s/he is evil/sinister/dangerous" implication of Red Eyes, and of course the obvious effect of unnaturally pale skin (or whatever connotations simple white/light skin have when specifically chosen over other skin tones).
  2. The Characterization criteria:
    • For Evil Albino: Does a character count as an Evil Albino if s/he is a member of a Fictional Albino-looking race/subspecies/group, and just happens to be evil among the many other non-evil (though not necessarily good) members of his race that show up? Do Evil Makeovers that give the character a Fictional Albino look count?
    • For Heroic Albino: Does being a hero/good guy and a Fictional Albino count, or does the character have to be initially percieved by other characters as an Evil Albino or at least shunned for the creepy/unsettling nature of his Fictional Albino appearance, before later proving those misconceptions false?

edited 13th Feb '13 11:16:44 AM by MarqFJA

Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
Evil Albino is recognized outside of TVTropes, so I'd hesitate to cut it altogether/gut it to the point of example sectionectomy.

 363 Marq FJA, Wed, 13th Feb '13 3:49:32 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
I do hope that it doesn't come down to either of those possibilities, either.
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 364 Ironeye, Sat, 16th Feb '13 2:46:04 PM from SoCal Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
Cutmaster-san
Alright, let's finish up this Mismatched Eyes business so we can move on to other things. As I see it, there are two categories of examples to deal with: those that match up with existing tropes and those that match up with new concepts.
  1. [Trope]...with mismatched eyes
  2. [Untroped Concept]...with mismatched eyes
    • Duality Motif
    • Unusual Trait Marks As Special
    • Connecting Oddity
There are two actions we can take for all six types: The second category also has the option of splitting off the examples into a subtrope (e.g. Mismatched Eyes Of Duality).

Does anyone have a reason why someone would pick different options within each of the two categories (e.g. leave the Red Right Hand examples on Mismatched Eyes but move the Evil Eye examples to Evil Eye, or moving the duality examples to a subtrope while moving the familial connection examples to a trope that is not specific to eyes)? If not, we can save ourselves a ton of crowner space and time by just dealing with the two categories instead of the six groupings.

Whatever we end up doing there, the final fate of the Mismatched Eyes page will be decided after we see what's happening with the examples.
I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.
 365 Troacctid, Sat, 16th Feb '13 2:59:24 PM from California
I favor merging everything.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
Seeking for Light
[up][up] I don't see any reason why we'd need to deal with the concepts within the groups differently.

 367 Marq FJA, Sun, 17th Feb '13 6:15:13 AM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
It just occured to me that we might be missing a high-level Meaningful Eye Color supertrope for all those eye-color tropes (which I would suggest to treat like Applied Phlebotinum and Ice Queen — make it exampleless).
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 368 Septimus Heap, Sun, 17th Feb '13 6:56:52 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
It's Windows of the Soul, and it's bad.

 369 Marq FJA, Sun, 17th Feb '13 7:11:40 AM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
It could a subtrope of that one, since Windows of the Soul covers things other than eye color.
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 370 Macron Notes, Sun, 17th Feb '13 8:40:36 AM from Wilkes Barre Relationship Status: Mu
Formerly known as Oreochan
I think Septimus meant Windows to the Soul, not Windows of the Soul. The names are quite confusing.

 371 Septimus Heap, Sun, 17th Feb '13 8:43:55 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Yes. That will need a rename, at least.

 372 Marq FJA, Sun, 17th Feb '13 8:49:56 AM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Yeah, definitely needs a rename. Meaningful Eye Color is my first choice.
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 373 Ironeye, Wed, 20th Feb '13 1:03:04 AM from SoCal Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
With Mod Hat On
Crowner hooked for Mismatched Eyes. Let's finish this.
I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.
 374 Ironeye, Wed, 20th Feb '13 5:11:59 PM from SoCal Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
Cutmaster-san
Not even 24 hours and we've got runaway leads. We'll let this run the mandated 72 hours, but we can start planning ahead for the likely result.

What do we want to do with Mismatched Eyes now that all of the examples are likely being removed? I think there's grounds for a Useful Notes page on Heterochromia.
I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.
 375 Troacctid, Wed, 20th Feb '13 8:40:18 PM from California
If someone wants to write one, we can redirect it there. Otherwise, I vote to redirect it to the supertrope, Technicolor Eyes. It has enough inbounds that I don't want to cut it.

edited 20th Feb '13 8:41:40 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
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