Welcome to the Content Violations Discussion forum, where we discuss whether a work violates The Content Policy.
Remember that the forum rules apply here, plus the following:
- You don't PM moderators about stuff pertaining to the policies, except for thread reasons;
- We tolerate links to scanlation sites unlike in the rest of the site due to its purpose, although it's preferred to remove them when they have done their jobs;
- The forum is not a soapbox for your own views on the policy or on morality. Please leave them at the door.
Violations of these rules can result in a ban from the subforum, or from the entire forum.
Otherwise:
Also, keep in mind that there are works that we don't want flagged without a really good reason as they are not likely in violation of policy:
- Is a film rated below "R" for U.S. distribution.
- Is a show that can be aired on prime time television.
- Is a video game that is rated below "M" by the ESRB.
- Is a written work that is sold in major bookstores without an "adult" or "mature" label.
- Is an anime/manga/etc. that is approved for U.S. import as a non-adult work.
- Is read/shown/taught in high school or below.
- Is in another format and meets equivalent criteria.
What we're looking for:
- Pure porn, or porn with an Excuse Plot only,
- Anything that has explicit underage sex,
- Implied sex of preteens or younger, and
- Fanservice intended to cater to pedophiles (lolicon and shotacon fanservice can count).
A couple of guidelines so the procedure can move smoothly:
- Do not list whole indexes or works just because they are on a certain index or have lolicon, H-Game or shotacon on their trope list.
- Do not list works you know nothing about without at least reading the trope page.
- Do not list works that you know are G-rated but you find creepy.
- If it's paedophile-pandering approximately how old are the characters involved? What happens? Is it graphic? Is it merely implied?
- List what objectionable content there is, and how much of the work consists of that.
- If it's entirely sex, say so. People have different ideas of what porn is. We all have the same idea of what a work being entirely sex scenes is.
- If you're not sure about a work, say so, or ask someone who does know that work. But don't make blanket accusations. Post here: "I don't know about this work, but the page says X".
- Google and Wikipedia are your friendsnote . Do a little digging on works you aren't sure about.
Also, in the case of H Games, there is this questioning to fill up:
- When are the sex scenes located?
- Are they spread out over the game?
- How much gameplay is there between sex scenes?
- Are they only at the endings?
- How hard do you have to work to get an ending?
- Are they in every ending? Every good ending?
- Are the sex scenes optional via a choice in the menu?
- Would the story make sense without them with minimal or no rewriting?
- Are the scenes made up of stills, or are they animated?
- How explicit are the sex scenes?
- This isn't a headcount. Your opinion is only considered if it explains in at least some detail how you came to the conclusion that the work is/isn't porn/paedopandering.
- When a moderator determines that the discussion has yielded a consensus, they can enact its conclusion/ask a moderator to enact the conclusion.
- The discussion is only about whether the work qualifies as porn or as paedopandering. We don't assess anything else in this process.
Q: Why is this happening?
A: Concerning the porn, it tends to attract creepy edits that have brought us into issues with the adservers while not significantly contributing to our core purpose - tropology. Concerning paedophilia-pandering, such works are just plain creepy to have pages about.
Q: What can I do to help clean the site?
A: You can flag content as unsuitable using the flag tool, which is located in the Tools menu to the right of each article, keeping the criteria in mind. Also, you can help enforce No Lewdness, No Prudishness across the wiki, possibly though cleaning pages listed in this Long Term Projects thread.
Q. This episodic work isn't finished yet. Shouldn't we wait for the ending before discussing it?
A. No. If released instalments may violate the content policy, we want to take action as soon as that's established — we don't need to wait for the ending. We can always revisit a decision to cut or keep once the work is over, but that point might still be years or decades away.
Q: This work is not actually/primarily pornographic. Why was it cut?
A: This could be for a number of different reasons. If the work was deemed to be paedopandering, for example, it will be cut whether or not it's actually sexually explicit. Being pro-paedophilia or pandering to paedophiles is bad enough, even if the work is nominally anti-paedophilia. Of course, it's possible that there was a mistake and then you should appeal it - please check the reasons first, however.
Q: This work is being/has been cut, but it is not a violation of the Content Policy. How do I make an appeal?
A: Flag the work page using the button in the sidebar and state your reasons for restoration.
Q: This work is pretty much pure porn, but it's really good porn. Can an exception be made?
A: Nope, sorry. If it's mainly porn, it goes.
Q: Why would you cut this? In [culture x], it is totally acceptable.
A: The vast majority of our readers come from the Americas or Western Europe, so we will be adhering to what could broadly be termed "Western" standards. This means we will not be permitting works which sexualize 12 year olds, and nor will we be demanding that every picture of a woman on the site must wear a burqa.
Q: How can you possibly claim to know authorial intent? (Roland Barthes is my co-pilot.)
A: It is not important what the authorial intent was, only the outcome.
Q: Wikipedia have articles on all kinds of awful stuff. Why can't we do the same?
A: Wikipedia is a strictly academic site. They have to cite sources and a "no censorship rule". They also do not aim to be Family Friendly, and are not reliant upon third party ads for funding. Conversely, one of our stated aims is to celebrate fiction, and our generally light, non-negative tone is a reflection of this, which has led to much more gushing about inappropiate content.
Q: So should I take every article here as an endorsement of whatever it describes?
A: No, of course not. We have pages on Greedy Jew, Adolf Hitler and Mein Kampf after all. However, if we choose to focus our attention on schoolgirls' thighs or porn, it does reflect very poorly on us. Fan Fic Recommendations are a slightly different issue. If a work is recommended there, this should be taken as an endorsement by the troper who wrote it.
Q: Are we allowed to make forum threads about works processed by the Content Violation Discussions forum?
A: If it was voted "clean and keep", a forum thread is relatively safe as long as it is restricted to talking about the clean parts. Anything with a stronger judgement is discouraged on the forums.
Q: Where can I find decisions regarding a work?
A: They are linked from the discussion page. Sometimes the old list of content reviews or the thread list in this forum can help as well.
Q: I still have some questions/concerns.
A: We will be happy to answer them. There is a thread for this.
- Guro: Violence played for titillation. (contrast Gorn)
- 5P or P5: The panel that administered the policy prior to the review system being overhauled in 2022. See 5P.
- P(a)edoshit: Older term for "P(a)edopandering", deprecated for being inflammatory.
- Porn: A work mostly concerned with sexual arousal. Having NSFW or explicit scenes doesn't automatically make a work porn — it's when showcasing explicit scenes is the entire point of the work.
Also, questions about the policy can be asked here. They will be added to this thread's FAQ section once answered.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 5th 2024 at 6:00:30 PM
Where would be the appropriate place for discussing site policies and rules-related stuff that isn't necessarily tied to the Content Policy as such? Say I want to suggest a new forum rule for example. Is this the right place for that, or should I go somewhere else?
Still a great "screw depression" song even after seven years.The Wiki Talk subforum would be the place I think.
Yup, threads about general wiki/forum policy should go in Wiki Talk.
i'm not sure if this is the right place to mention this but i found an example on Meido that is worded in a way that is problematic in various ways some of them relevent to the content policy:
"The Pokémon had the maid café episode. First they give you some◊ Fetish Fuel and then force you to reach for the◊ Brain Bleach."
This is the ultimate state of human emotion. More passionate than hope. Far deeper than despair. It is Love.Weblinks Are Not Examples and as such almost Zero-Context Example, and would be if the first sentence didn't actually mention something about the actual trope.
Check out my fanfiction!That re-wording is much better.
That actually says something about the trope.
Check out my fanfiction!Dude, isn't Dawn like 10?
Now known as Cyber ControllerMay from the same setting is allegedly age 10 according to Word of God, yet she's frequently drawn with proportions that should be so improbable for a 10-year-old that it's more or less statistically impossible, especially when nobody notes it in-universe despite her being the only example of such inconsistency AFAIK.
edited 2nd Mar '16 9:30:48 AM by MarqFJA
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.Ash is still canonically ten even after six and a half hundred episodes too, but those pictures don't strike me as especially pedopandering.
Problem solved, and Dawn is ten in the anime.
This is the ultimate state of human emotion. More passionate than hope. Far deeper than despair. It is Love.Age in Pokémon is screwed up.
Check out my fanfiction!I've been told May's physique is not impossible due to girls entering puberty earlier than boys on average, but it's still really weird for her to be designed like that. I'd blame Japan in general for that.
Meido isn't even sexy.
edited 2nd Mar '16 5:24:16 PM by Karxrida
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?It's probably just because none of the ten year olds in the anime are ten in the games.
This is the ultimate state of human emotion. More passionate than hope. Far deeper than despair. It is Love.In the games the ages of the Player Characters are ambiguous outside of Red (11 in RBY, 14 in GSC) and May/Brendan (12ish in ORAS). Fans at least agree that they're in their late teens at the oldest or 10 at the youngest.
edited 2nd Mar '16 5:31:17 PM by Karxrida
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?Anime in general only has 4 stages of age really. Kid, teens, adult, and old hag. There isnt really an in-between between those its a reason why we have Animation Anatomy Aging as a trope.
For pokemon, most are solidly designed to be teens with a few kids that are actually designed as kids like Max. There is no way characters like Bianca are 10.
edited 2nd Mar '16 7:26:14 PM by Memers
BTW, the Ash link is 403 Forbidden.
(Call it "morbid curiosity". )
edited 4th Mar '16 5:52:29 AM by Nohbody
All your safe space are belong to TrumpYeah you'd need to refresh the tab with it to access. I could just reup it on imgur or whatever if you want it in the article.
Or if you want a description it's Ash in the standard outfit, embarrassed and covering himself with a tray over the skirt.
edited 4th Mar '16 6:13:19 AM by Adannor
I don't really have any interest in it either way, just pointing out a technical issue. Refreshing did nothing about making the Ash image viewable.
All your safe space are belong to TrumpOK. I'll put my complains here too. Doubt they'll have any effect but I hate double standarts.
Recently I found out that one of my favorite V Ns, Katahane, was cut from the base for "loli content". I read the discussion and, sorry, but it really looks looks like bullshit. A bunch of trolls who poss themselves as moral guardians just wrote that two heroines of the series look like lolis. The most of comments itself look 100% like fat trolling.
What? Both Efa and Belle are not lolis. Yes they have small chest and a bit lover than average height. But their actual in-game age is legal (not to mention that both are in fact androids). And their stature are that of normal 18-20 years old girl. There are a lot of characters in legal titles here, who look much more like lolis but were spared just because of their popularity.
The only character in game who can be considered a loli is Coco but she isn't involved in any indecent acts.
Now see I remember looking at Katahane imagery 4 years ago and it involved people looking like little girls Sidequestion clothed in the equivalent of striptease clothing.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanSorry but "is really a 100 year old vampire" style does not fly. "Loli" as a specific character look is banned as much as actual aged characters are.
There's a naked and very much a loli picture straight up at vndb.
You'll call any girl with A-cup a loli?
https://vndb.org/c3730 - she is 153 cm tall and doesn't look like loli for me. Just like normal teenage girl with snall chest.
For comparison she is 148 cm tall but noone took her for a loli https://vndb.org/c3737
https://chan.sankakucomplex.com/post/show/1361657 - offivial art. Tell me, why thew hell the girl on the left should be considered a loli while just a bit taller and well-endowed girl on the right is considered collage student.
The people who judged this by couple of arts can't distinguish real loli and just flat-chasted girl.
And as for examples... Should I remind about Kudryawka from Little Busters or makina from Grisaia. They look much more like a lolis and have H-scenes in the original V Ns but both titles are to popular to ban them because of it. Unlike this one.
Basically a lock in this context is so additions can be reviewed, preventing problematic edits that cause "issues".
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett