Welcome to the Content Violations Discussion forum, where we discuss whether a work violates The Content Policy.
Remember that the forum rules apply here
, plus the following:
- You don't PM moderators about stuff pertaining to the policies, except for thread reasons;
- We tolerate links to scanlation sites unlike in the rest of the site due to its purpose, although it's preferred to remove them when they have done their jobs;
- The forum is not a soapbox for your own views on the policy or on morality. Please leave them at the door.
Violations of these rules can result in a ban from the subforum, or from the entire forum.
Otherwise:
Also, keep in mind that there are works that we don't want flagged without a really good reason as they are not likely in violation of policy:
- Is a film rated below "R" for U.S. distribution.
- Is a show that can be aired on prime time television.
- Is a video game that is rated below "M" by the ESRB.
- Is a written work that is sold in major bookstores without an "adult" or "mature" label.
- Is an anime/manga/etc. that is approved for U.S. import as a non-adult work.
- Is read/shown/taught in high school or below.
- Is in another format and meets equivalent criteria.
What we're looking for:
- Pure porn, or porn with an Excuse Plot only,
- Anything that has explicit underage sex,
- Implied sex of preteens or younger, and
- Fanservice intended to cater to pedophiles (lolicon and shotacon fanservice can count).
A couple of guidelines so the procedure can move smoothly:
- Do not list whole indexes or works just because they are on a certain index or have lolicon, H-Game or shotacon on their trope list.
- Do not list works you know nothing about without at least reading the trope page.
- Do not list works that you know are G-rated but you find creepy.
- If it's paedophile-pandering approximately how old are the characters involved? What happens? Is it graphic? Is it merely implied?
- List what objectionable content there is, and how much of the work consists of that.
- If it's entirely sex, say so. People have different ideas of what porn is. We all have the same idea of what a work being entirely sex scenes is.
- If you're not sure about a work, say so, or ask someone who does know that work. But don't make blanket accusations. Post here: "I don't know about this work, but the page says X".
- Google and Wikipedia are your friendsnote . Do a little digging on works you aren't sure about.
Also, in the case of H Games, there is this questioning to fill up:
- When are the sex scenes located?
- Are they spread out over the game?
- How much gameplay is there between sex scenes?
- Are they only at the endings?
- How hard do you have to work to get an ending?
- Are they in every ending? Every good ending?
- Are the sex scenes optional via a choice in the menu?
- Would the story make sense without them with minimal or no rewriting?
- Are the scenes made up of stills, or are they animated?
- How explicit are the sex scenes?
- This isn't a headcount. Your opinion is only considered if it explains in at least some detail how you came to the conclusion that the work is/isn't porn/paedopandering.
- When a moderator determines that the discussion has yielded a consensus, they can enact its conclusion/ask a moderator to enact the conclusion.
- The discussion is only about whether the work qualifies as porn or as paedopandering. We don't assess anything else in this process.
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Q: Why is this happening?
A: Concerning the porn, it tends to attract creepy edits that have brought us into issues with the adservers while not significantly contributing to our core purpose - tropology. Concerning paedophilia-pandering, such works are just plain creepy to have pages about.
Q: What can I do to help clean the site?
A: You can flag content as unsuitable using the flag tool, which is located in the Tools menu to the right of each article, keeping the criteria in mind. Also, you can help enforce No Lewdness, No Prudishness across the wiki, possibly though cleaning pages listed in this Long Term Projects thread.
Q. This episodic work isn't finished yet. Shouldn't we wait for the ending before discussing it?
A. No. If released instalments may violate the content policy, we want to take action as soon as that's established — we don't need to wait for the ending. We can always revisit a decision to cut or keep once the work is over, but that point might still be years or decades away.
Q: This work is not actually/primarily pornographic. Why was it cut?
A: This could be for a number of different reasons. If the work was deemed to be paedopandering, for example, it will be cut whether or not it's actually sexually explicit. Being pro-paedophilia or pandering to paedophiles is bad enough, even if the work is nominally anti-paedophilia. Of course, it's possible that there was a mistake and then you should appeal it - please check the reasons first, however.
Q: This work is being/has been cut, but it is not a violation of the Content Policy. How do I make an appeal?
A: Flag the work page using the button in the sidebar and state your reasons for restoration.
Q: This work is pretty much pure porn, but it's really good porn. Can an exception be made?
A: Nope, sorry. If it's mainly porn, it goes.
Q: Why would you cut this? In [culture x], it is totally acceptable.
A: The vast majority of our readers come from the Americas or Western Europe, so we will be adhering to what could broadly be termed "Western" standards. This means we will not be permitting works which sexualize 12 year olds, and nor will we be demanding that every picture of a woman on the site must wear a burqa.
Q: How can you possibly claim to know authorial intent? (Roland Barthes is my co-pilot.)
A: It is not important what the authorial intent was, only the outcome.
Q: Wikipedia have articles on all kinds of awful stuff. Why can't we do the same?
A: Wikipedia is a strictly academic site. They have to cite sources and a "no censorship rule". They also do not aim to be Family Friendly, and are not reliant upon third party ads for funding. Conversely, one of our stated aims is to celebrate fiction, and our generally light, non-negative tone is a reflection of this, which has led to much more gushing about inappropiate content.
Q: So should I take every article here as an endorsement of whatever it describes?
A: No, of course not. We have pages on Greedy Jew, Adolf Hitler and Mein Kampf after all. However, if we choose to focus our attention on schoolgirls' thighs or porn, it does reflect very poorly on us. Fan Fic Recommendations are a slightly different issue. If a work is recommended there, this should be taken as an endorsement by the troper who wrote it.
Q: Are we allowed to make forum threads about works processed by the Content Violation Discussions forum?
A: If it was voted "clean and keep", a forum thread is relatively safe as long as it is restricted to talking about the clean parts. Anything with a stronger judgement is discouraged on the forums.
Q: Where can I find decisions regarding a work?
A: They are linked from the discussion page. Sometimes the old list of content reviews or the thread list in this forum can help as well.
Q: I still have some questions/concerns.
A: We will be happy to answer them. There is a thread for this.
- Guro: Violence played for titillation. (contrast Gorn)
- 5P or P5: The panel that administered the policy prior to the review system being overhauled in 2022. See 5P.
- P(a)edoshit: Older term for "P(a)edopandering", deprecated for being inflammatory.
- Porn: A work mostly concerned with sexual arousal. Having NSFW or explicit scenes doesn't automatically make a work porn — it's when showcasing explicit scenes is the entire point of the work.
Also, questions about the policy can be asked here. They will be added to this thread's FAQ section once answered.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 5th 2024 at 6:00:30 PM
The Unknown
Somebody provide a link, please. The Pantheon is huge.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
The Unknown
The Disgraces are on the chopping block, so the problem will resolve itself once the dewicking is done and they've been deleted.
Though we should probably nuke that specific entry anyway.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
Red Like Santa
We should be thorough and nuke the whole Pantheon from orbit.It's the only way to be sure. Also, get rid of the dumb self demonstrating character pages, while we're at it.
edited 11th Dec '15 10:23:13 PM by hamza678
Now known as Cyber Controller
The Unknown
Most SD pages do get axed. We even have an entire cleanup thread for them.
edited 11th Dec '15 10:28:28 PM by Karxrida
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
Absolutely no relation to NLK
Even the Joker's?
Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Pantheons are not the topic here.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
Yeah, only the parts of the Pantheon that risk or are already violating the Content Policy are relevant. And I believe Adannor pretty much summed it up at the top of this page.
edited 12th Dec '15 8:17:02 AM by MarqFJA
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
So a few months ago, I created a page for the game "baby fat," but now see that the page and all it's assets have not only been deleted by are locked. My first assumption was that it was content-based, as the game itself is explicitly vore-themed, but I've seen pages for other, more blatantly sexual games not be given as much of a hard time. Is it because it isn't noteworthy enough to warrant a page? I really am curious.
Well, I don't know what games you're referring to, but there's a combination of factors here.
- So far as we could tell, it was only devoted to fetishizing people eating each other. In theory we don't judge any fetishes more harshly than others apart from pedo stuff, but in practice if something is catering to a less mainstream fetish like vore or ryona or whatever then there's probably significantly less time on the artistic merit, shall we say.
- The other games might be breaking our rules too. We don't know what's bad on this site until someone finds it and tells us to look at it.
- You may be overestimating the amount of pornography there is in those other games.
edited 12th Dec '15 9:21:20 AM by Arha
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There Is No Such Thing as Notability. So yes, it was because the games were nothing but non-stop vore fetish.
If you've got examples of "other, more blatantly sexual games not be given as much of a hard time" we'd be glad to hear them.
edited 12th Dec '15 10:44:18 AM by Adannor
Sorcerer in training
Keep in mind, official Bleached Underpants versions are often permitted, though original or more racy versions aren't.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
I've read the rules but I'm still confused on something: is pornographic material allowed to be listed on a trope's page?
For example, the page Shark Man includes a reference to the porn game Corruption of Champions in the video game section. Does TV Tropes cover such games at all? My understanding is that a main page for the video game wouldn't be allowed because it's porn.
Thanks
Examples are allowed as long as they are not pornographic in themselves, even if the page for the work on the whole was cut off. So the game has shark people, that's legit.
edited 18th Dec '15 12:45:47 AM by Adannor
The way I understand it it's fine to talk about sexual content but the problem comes when you're getting a little too explicit and there isn't much else to talk about but the sexual content. The issue you're talking about doesn't even seem to go as far as that but rather merely referencing something pornographic. I don't see the problem.
Red Like Santa
A question to the P5, is there any work you liked personally but voted to cut anyway?
Now known as Cyber Controller
Meeble did mention Time Braid.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I remember someone saying that Yume Miru Kusuri sounded pretty interesting and that it was a shame that they had to vote against it.
Lost Girls came up a few times in that context as well.
I remember there were a few, though I can't recall the names off the top of my head. In the early days there was a vanilla Porn Without Plot that was cute and fluffy but nevertheless completely violated the policy, so it had to go.
Red Like Santa
Okay, now, what's the most disturbing thing you've cut.
Now known as Cyber Controller
I think the child-ponies torture snuff fics would be taking THAT cake.
A Serbian Film nearly murdered us all, even though it wasn't actually cut.
TV Tropes' Sonic Wiki Curator
Hm, I can only vaguely recall having some form of regret with cutting Lotte no Omocha, mainly because it does (at least attempt) have a decent story beyond the whole "preteen succubus wanting to have sex with a adult guy" thing. However, that basic premise was hard to ignore, so it ultimately had to go.
A Serbian Film is the closest thing, easily. Mainly for that... certain scene near the end.
edited 19th Dec '15 4:57:58 PM by Komodin
Experience has taught me to investigate anything that glows.
Same rules as examples: as long as they're not sexual in themselves they're fine. Alice goddess of monsters from MGQ is fine. Luka god of fucking all the monstergirls would not be fine because the game got banned for him fucking all the monstergirls while being underage. Goddess of loli and goddess of oppai lolis from a game that got banned for lolicon pandering - also not fine.
Considering that squad broken is nothing but rape, and the pantheon is about how horrifyingly rapey the fic is, I'd say no dice here either.