Real Life section maintenance (New Crowner 19 Feb 2024)

That’s probably because it’s already NRLEP. The malformed crowner entry was for removing its NRLEP, vlaiming that it is possible in real life. Very odd.

Well, if someone's up for arguing why allowing real life examples on any NRLEP trope is a good idea, this is the place to discuss it. Discussion before crowner.

Just for the record, I didn't mean that if was odd that they brought it up here (even though they went about it in the wrong way), I meant that the argument that Elemental Powers can occur in real life was odd.

edited 10th Nov '17 5:30:17 AM by GnomeTitan

Honestly, even the "people cannot control water with their minds" thing that I said earlier was awkward to explain. I think it's pretty clear that Elemental Powers can't occur in reality. Perhaps a more interesting discussion would be why Make Me Wanna Shout has a real life section...?

I was going through Non Troper's edit history a bit more. Might be worth mentioning that they added and then later deleted some [[noreallife]] markup to Bishōnen (history page). I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing, but the add-and-delete kind of editing can indicate other problems. (Note that Bishonen isn't currently NRLEP but it also doesn't have a RL section to worry about anyway.)

Just info: I removed lots of content from real life folder of Raised by Grandparents. There were lots of general statement ("a very common occurrence in Russia" or "in general, any country where it's not uncommon to live with extended family often has this happen") or a "a dump list of famous people" — literally a list of people with no context whatsoever. I don't think this has to be no real life examples, but we should keep an eye on this trope.

edited 12th Nov '17 6:53:51 AM by XFllo

No one has raised any objections (or haven't seen my post, but oh well ), so I'm putting Horrible Hollywood on the crowner, for gossip and stereotypes. It has a notice already, but was never formally considered for NRLEP status.

Pending:

• Horrible Hollywood: Added 12th Nov 2017 08:52:47 AM, 3.5:1 (9)

Probably will clear the NRLEP hurdle, but with only nine votes so far that can change now that the weekenders are back.

The voting ratio for Horrible Hollywood is still strongly in the "make NRLEP" range, but given there are only 12 votes when most of the other issues in the crowner have made it to 17 or 19 I'm thinking waiting another day until calling it might not be out of order. Added 12th Nov 2017, 08:52:47 AM, currently 5:1 (12)

(I won't be heartbroken if someone decides to not wait and decides to call it today, though. )

edited 14th Nov '17 10:54:10 AM by Nohbody

Not quite another 24 hours since my previous post, but the votes to make Horrible Hollywood NRLEP have only been increasing, so I think it's safe to call it as such. Added 12th Nov 2017 08:52:47 AM, 6:1 (14)

There seems to be a complaining problem on SeriousBusiness.Real Life. In the discussion page, it was mentioned that this trope requires (1) a story of some kind and (2) a character to take something "more seriously than they should" (which seems to make the negativity inherent to the trope). This was first brought up in Ask the Tropers concerning a particular example, but skimming the sections on the page, the whole page seems to be a problem.

Should we add Serious Business to the crowner? Using the rhetoric on the NRLEP page, I'd say this has a problem of "attracting complaining" and possibly being a narrative or characterization trope.

Quite definitely should be added to the crowner.

Space Whale Aesop sounds ridiculous in real life. It is An Aesop (which falls more under narrative/plot tropes), and the trope is about nonsensical and writer-contrived consequences for not following that moral. (such as "Don't go running out in your pajamas or else aliens and kaiju will be out to get you")

edited 15th Nov '17 11:12:08 AM by MitchellProductions

I think that Serious Business should be made NRLEP. Not only is the RL section full of complaining, but the trope definition (being, basically, "people take this too seriously") makes it almost impossible to write a RL example without it coming across as more or less passive-aggressive complaining.

Space Whale Aesop doesn't have a real life folder. Ain't broken; don't fix. Like An Aesop, it's a narrative concept, although it can be applied in real life. Still, that requires someone applying a narrative to it (such as a teacher for a lesson, or an editor for a newspaper).

For Serious Business, unless there's been a cleanup attempt previously, I think it should just be cleaned. Cleaning is the first course of action to try to solve a problem, not cutting (even if, technically speaking, cleaning involves a lot of cutting problematic or faulty examples).

edited 15th Nov '17 2:06:53 PM by AnotherDuck

Yes, a cleanup is certainly warranted for Serious Business. However, I don't really see how any RL example could not be complaining or even flame bait. In what way could you say "some people take X too seriously" and still abide by ROCEJ? I guess the first test would be to see if anything remains after a cleanup effort.

edited 15th Nov '17 2:57:59 PM by GnomeTitan

Should most of the Cloudcuckoolander examples for Music be scrapped? Afaik, they're troping actual band members.

Musicians often have stage personalities or exaggerate for the sake of publicity. Each example to its own, without a blanket cleanup.

RE: Serious Business: If one thinks that all of the examples are bad and need to be cut (e.g. because they are all necessarily complaining by the very nature of the trope), then one would just blank the page or cut the page... or bring the page here in order to discuss whether all of the entries need to be removed.

I think the trope is inherently complaining concerning real life groups of people. You would necessarily be saying "These people are taking this subject more seriously than I think they should be," which is passive-aggressive to say nothing of the other issues already brought up...?

So, I Want My Jetpack. Now, I'm not sure about whether it's a page we should bring up on the crowner or not, but what exactly would constitute a proper real life example? The Real Life example section is a complete mess, and I'm not sure what to clean up on it.

First, some of that example indentation is atrocious. A chunk of it looks like conversation on the main page and natter. Such cruft can be cut.

General examples can be deep sixed.

Some of those don't really fit the trope. (And are all those potholes in the description necessary?) The trope reads as 'I want fancy/advanced sci-fi thing X', while several of them are 'we don't have X -but we do have Y!'

Let's see what's left once those are cut back and the indentation fixed.

edited 1st Dec '17 9:53:24 AM by Candi

I've been thinking that the Umbrellas Are Lightning Rods trope should be NRLEP. It's funny when lightning blasts a cartoon character's umbrella, but I don't think we want to hear about someone IRL being hit by lightning.

No Real Life examples on the page. Ain't broke; don't fix.

You don't think we want to hear about that, but you have no evidence to back that claim up. Let's wait until somebody adds RL examples, if they ever do, and see if people want to read about it then. In other words, what Another Duck said.

People getting hit by lightning carries no narrative significance whatsoever. It's a thing that happens. Unfortunate, maybe, but not tropable in any way. But there's no need to make a trope NRLEP if it doesn't have a RL section to begin with, unless we have good reason to suspect that it'll attract misuse.

I know it doesn't have a RL section; I just figured that it might pay to be proactive.

I was about to make the argument that the Goomba Stomp trope had no RL examples and was still NRLEP, but...then I checked, and it wasn't NRLEP. Has it been NRLEP in the past?