Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
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- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
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- There must be a 2:1 ratio
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- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 13th 2024 at 9:30:24 AM
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The trope is about game mechanics and impossible in RL. You're using it as analogy, but an analogy is not an example.
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Most of the length of I Did What I Had To Do was in a huge digression into Italian politics, and a bunch of generic examples. I took those out. The ones that are left are all ok, I believe.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Another Duck: At least in the page, I would say yes.
No, the other one.
While I Did What I Had to Do is about morality, it doesn't call people evil. It calls the acts morally questionable, which while potentially debatable, isn't inherently problematic. There's a risk of falling afoul of ROCEJ, but if people take that into account before adding examples, there's no problem. I think the thing to do is to make note of how it is now, and if problems appear at a later date, there may be a reason to remove the RL section if it's a problem magnet, but not at this point.
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I've not checked specifically, but it's probably going to mean a lot of examples disappear. Which I'm fine with if they're shoehorns, just want to make sure.
ValuesDissonance.Other has a bunch of "Uncatergorised" examples that look to me like RL examples in disguise. What should be done about those?
edited 12th Jul '17 11:52:34 AM by Theatre_Maven_3695
Blapper of Water
All of those sections on that subpage could be put on the Main/ page into their own folders, especially since some of those categories (e.g. Advertising, Folklore, Newspaper Comics) would normally get their own pages if enough examples were present (there isn't in this case, but still).
That said, I think that entire "Uncategorized" section can be cut entirely. If it really is "uncategorized," then it just looks like it was made by lazy tropers who expected other people to do their work for them. And if it isn't, then — like you said — it's mostly RL examples in disguise.
edited 12th Jul '17 12:42:37 PM by WaterBlap
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I have got rid of that section.
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Fandom Berserk Button looks like a good candidate. It's crammed full of natter and questionable examples. One "Other" folder has already been nuked from the Video Games subpage for being entirely generics.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Added Fandom Berserk Button to crowner.
Several sections, like science, food, and universities, are also crossing the line into RL territory. The example about not ordering unsweetened tea in the southern US is also outright wrong. Most restaurants give you a choice of sweetened or unsweetened, and plenty of people drink the latter.
Blapper of Water
Cleaning up some of the wicks from the ROCEJ thread, I noticed these two tropes' Real Life pages:
- Third-Person Person: This seems to have a problem with gossiping and speculating (esp. with the word "apparently"), as well as general examples.
- Red Oni, Blue Oni: Real Life lacks the requirement of "contrast" or it's at least coincidental (and thus People Sit On Chairs) in real life most if not all of the time. There's also a ZCE problem with people just saying "Name 1 is red and Name 2 is blue."
Oversized Garden Ornament
Those Food and Drink examples are dodgy. Most of them seem to be about differences between food culture in different countries. For example, as far as I know it's true that pouring soy sauce over your rice is frowned upon in Japan, but I doub't that it's a berserk button, and Japanese people do not constitute a fandom. Of course, there are probably (western) fans of Japanese cuisine for which this is a berserk button, but the example isn't written that way.
There's a also an ehtnocentric undertone in many of those examples, where American food culture is taken as the norm and people with a different food culture are treated as a "fandom".
edited 16th Jul '17 11:03:31 AM by GnomeTitan
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Most of them are, at the very least, gross overstatements. (For instance, putting ketchup on a hot dog in Chicago. It's true that there is a particular style of hot dog called a "Chicago Hot Dog" that does not include ketchup, and adding ketchup to one is ridiculed. But it doesn't apply to regular hot dogs, even in Chicago.) Many of them are strong preferences, if that.
There are two, perhaps three, valid examples in the Food and Drink section: the chef who hates ketchup so much that he won't even allow it in his (hamburger) restaurant — going so far as to confiscate it if a diner brings in their own — And the level of rage many chefs feel toward cooking meat "well done". The "perhaps" is "adding anything to your good being an insult to the chef in Japan". I'm sure that there are chefs who go ballistic over that. I'm just not sure that it is widespread enough to count.
The bigger problem is that most of the examples that aren't from works of fiction are not Berserk Buttons at all. Being teased or laughed at, or getting a raised eyebrow for doing something is not the same as having someone go into a rage about it.
edited 16th Jul '17 11:41:23 AM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Oversized Garden Ornament
Yes - at the very least, there's severe trope decay where "berserk button" has come to mean "causes a raised eyebtow".
No, the other one.
Probably has something to do with what people rage about online. It is stupid stuff like that.
However, that's not what fiction portrays, nor what the average person in real life acts like. Even most of those ranting online.
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Is it really a good idea for Wretched Hive to have Real Life examples?
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
Maybe historical examples? Certainly not current ones.
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No, the other one.
After reading a bunch of the examples, I don't think it's a good idea. Other than the usual generic "examples", there's a bunch of shoehorning anything with any kind of negative reputation, which isn't quite what the trope is about. It's not about the reputation; it's about what it actually is, and I don't think most of those qualify. It's not all that complainy, though, even if this type of trope typically invites a lot of complaints. However, a lot of it is probably still complaints in civil tone.
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Fandom Berserk Button doesn't even seem like a trope that's POSSIBLE in Real Life.
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I played up the game of "non media" fandoms. 
Changing the topic for a moment, where should I put Bully Brutality? The addition to the list is beyond discussion, for it has been long decided in the YKTTW/TLP.
No, the other one.
Not sure. Probably gossip. The other option is morality. Personally it's just a "do not want" category for me.
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The only example listed under the "real life" folder in I Miss Mom is "Too many people, too often.".
If it's that common of an IRL occurrence, it might as well be listed under "Too common in real life to trope". Thoughts?
No, the other one.
I removed it, since it was both generic and a ZCE. And even with that, a single example isn't exactly problematic.
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I saw that Linear Warriors, Quadratic Wizards doesn't allow Real Life examples, and I have a question. Aren't we the Quadratic Wizards of real life? We did become the dominant species in the long run, despite being glorified Squishy Wizards (though, through technology instead of magic) in a world filled with Unskilled, but Strong beasts acting as the Linear Warriors.
edited 10th Jul '17 3:14:51 PM by Kytseo