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Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread.

This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.

If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.

If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.

Before adding to the crowner:

  • The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
  • There must be support from others in thread.
  • Any objections should be addressed.
  • Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.

When adding to the crowner:

  • Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
  • Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
  • An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.

Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.

After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.

NRLEP tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

LRLEO tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/LimitedRealLifeExamplesOnly via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%The following restrictions apply: [list restriction(s) here]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

Notes:
  • This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
  • Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
  • As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
  • The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM

Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#6601: May 19th 2017 at 9:06:14 AM

I was cleaning the AL tropes. AL Paleontology RL was a royal freaking mess, with a ton of stuff that should not have been added in the first place.

We're also not about real life debates and discussions. We're about fiction, fictional representations, personas, made up stuff. Whether creation vs evolution vs intelligent design vs whatever is real or not or what's right is not a debate for this site. And is not a good reason to un-NRLEP any trope.

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
#6602: May 19th 2017 at 9:11:01 AM

@Spydre: The issue with Real Life sections on the Artistic License pages is that Artistic License is "the creator of a work takes liberties with facts in order because they think it will make the work better."

Not "Somebody got a basic fact wrong." (That's Critical Research Failure , or Writers Cannot Do Math, or Writers Have No Sense of Scale).

Not "We used to think this, but now we know that was wrong" (That's Science Marches On).

edited 19th May '17 9:14:11 AM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#6603: May 19th 2017 at 9:15:11 AM

Also, spydre, the crowner is not a place for you to continue your apparent crusade against Creationism.

Anyway, recreating the crowner options from crowner 52, restarting the clock to now(ish).

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Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#6604: May 19th 2017 at 9:24:22 AM

Also, @6597: True, it's not exactly something that needs to be rushed, but even with my repeated statements that this crowner isn't time-critical, my Inner OCD-ish Asshole is a noisy bastard when he's roused. tongue

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Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#6605: May 20th 2017 at 11:24:49 AM

Pending:

All your safe space are belong to Trump
MitchellProductions Since: Jul, 2016
#6606: May 20th 2017 at 3:21:20 PM

How was Delusions of Eloquence NRLEP for being "insulting and offensive"?

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, but all play and no work makes Jack a mere boy
Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
#6607: May 20th 2017 at 3:58:59 PM

[up] "The result is that they sound less educated and at the same time a pompous and pretentious attention seeker. "

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
MitchellProductions Since: Jul, 2016
#6608: May 20th 2017 at 4:27:08 PM

Thank you, except that the disclaimer in the trope page says "No real life examples, please! There is too many of them to list!".

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, but all play and no work makes Jack a mere boy
DoctorCooper Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#6609: May 20th 2017 at 4:44:53 PM

It is not wrong. It is both common and offensive.

edited 20th May '17 4:46:06 PM by DoctorCooper

Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#6610: May 20th 2017 at 7:33:21 PM

'There are too many to list' is kind of rude and insulting itself. Maybe that line should be clipped.

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#6611: May 20th 2017 at 8:33:33 PM

Change it to something like what Maddy just said?

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Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
#6612: May 21st 2017 at 12:06:22 AM

What I said was a direct quote from the rope definition, so, no, don't use it as the NRLEP reason.

"It's judgemental and insulting." would work.

edited 21st May '17 12:06:40 AM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#6613: May 21st 2017 at 12:37:59 AM

"Something like."

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Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#6614: May 21st 2017 at 9:18:30 AM

Pending:

I doubt any will fail to be made NRLEP, after they reach the minimum 10 votes, but tradition and all that means waiting. tongue

All your safe space are belong to Trump
MitchellProductions Since: Jul, 2016
#6615: May 21st 2017 at 10:06:46 AM

[up][up][up] That is better.

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, but all play and no work makes Jack a mere boy
Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#6616: May 22nd 2017 at 5:50:59 AM

Calling to make NRLEP:

Usually there's a little more voting participation than 11 votes, but with those vote ratios it seems to me that it's safe to say they won't likely reverse even if left to simmer another week.

All your safe space are belong to Trump
DoctorCooper Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
MitchellProductions Since: Jul, 2016
#6618: May 23rd 2017 at 5:02:32 AM

[up] For being the "other" folder, they are (clearly) real life examples in disguise.

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, but all play and no work makes Jack a mere boy
DoctorCooper Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#6619: May 23rd 2017 at 3:07:10 PM

I will put it in the crowner.

Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#6620: May 24th 2017 at 9:04:46 AM

Is it just me, or are the entries in the RL folder of We Are as Mayflies missing the point of the trope? It seems to me that there's more to make it actually tropeworthy than "this species lives a long time".

Pending:

edited 24th May '17 9:04:57 AM by Nohbody

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#6621: May 24th 2017 at 3:29:35 PM

Considering the trope is about sentient beings, animals and less intelligent life (such as trees) don't count. I'd say cut the entire thing for being shoehorning.

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Zyffyr from Portland, Oregon Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#6622: May 24th 2017 at 3:34:52 PM

Definite shoehorning there, unless we get sudden evidence that those species are actually fully sapient.

Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
#6623: May 24th 2017 at 4:14:00 PM

Agreed. All those examples are shoehorned. (I also just deleted the digression about the biology of mayflies as irrelevant to the trope, and only barely relevant to the trope name.)

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#6624: May 24th 2017 at 7:15:47 PM

So, nuke the RL folder for We Are as Mayflies? Probably can hold off on running it through the crowner unless it builds back up, though.

edited 24th May '17 7:16:07 PM by Nohbody

All your safe space are belong to Trump
AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.

18th Feb '24 11:27:30 PM

Crown Description:

Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:
  • Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.

After you bring up a trope for discussion, please try to wait at least a day or so for feedback before adding it to the crowner.

If an item has a (CLOSED) note, there is no need to vote on it: the result has already been decided and it's no longer up for discussion.

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