Real Life section maintenance (New Crowner 19 Feb 2024)

I'd vote to have Older Than They Look NRLEP'd.

edited 24th Jan '16 9:13:14 AM by TheUnsquished

Changing the topic, there is Murder-Suicide, since it is too common in real life.

General examples should always be deleted.

The exception I sometimes make is on tropes we have in the crowner, so people who vote can see what the problem is, rather than relying on posts here that don't seem to match what's on the pages. When it's called, whichever decision it is, they can be deleted.

The issue is not generality. It is that the examples are written in a way that won't age well. The examples are like this: "Mark is 100 years old, but he just looks like a toddler." Note: I am not approving the generality.

Don't forget of Murder-Suicide. Should it replace the out of place post of the crowner or it is necessary to put a new entry?

Actually, there is a whole section of general examples that basically say things like "Short people often look young" and "Certain Asian people often look young".

edited 24th Jan '16 3:14:06 PM by GnomeTitan

That "general" section is history, courtesy of me. The same problem happens in the opposite trope.

edited 24th Jan '16 6:38:09 PM by DoctorCooper

Since the misplaced crowner entry never got any votes, I'd be fine with repurposing it to address Older Than They Look.

Calling Dork Horse Candidate. It technically still has a few minutes to go on the 48 hours, but with its holding at 11:0 since this morning it's not likely to drastically change in a tenth of an hour. Added 22nd Jan '16 at 20:24:24 PM, 11:0

(Nothing currently pending.)

Wait, Dork Horse Candidate is a morality trope? I'll grant the flamebait/gossip bit.

I didn't think it fit with "morality" either, so I put it in the flamebait folder.

Had a look at Reasonable Authority Figure, and I find that it's something similar to Wants a Prize for Basic Decency, with the wanting part being on behalf of the editors rather than the authority figures. While the examples aren't too problematic, so I wouldn't be too opposed to keeping them, I find it generally pointless to list real people for being decent human beings.

Some time ago, I deleted a Real Life section of Evil Knockoff, because I deemed inappropiate to call the opposing sides evil, an pointlessly implied that the Romans or Frederick the Great were heroes, while they are just normal people with virtues and sins.

edited 25th Jan '16 8:29:47 PM by DoctorCooper

And Manufacturing Victims also bans real life examples.

It looks like Manufacturing Victims was launched from YKTTW as NRLEP, so just listing it is sufficient, as I just now did under the flamebait/natter/complaining folder.

Evil Knockoff doesn't seem to have attracted any problem edits since then, so I'm thinking leave it alone for now.

As for Reasonable Authority Figure, I'd think that would fall under "too common to trope". Yeah, there are assholes in positions of authority out there, but they stand out because they're more visible than an RL RAF.

edited 26th Jan '16 12:35:54 AM by Nohbody

For Older Than They Look, given how stupidly large OlderThanTheyLook.Real Life is (over 200K characters as of this post; the next biggest subpage is the anime one at ~120K, and most of the rest are at down in the lower 5-digit numbers), I'm thinking it would qualify for the "too common in RL to trope" category.

edited 26th Jan '16 12:49:44 AM by Nohbody

Not only is it to common, what a particular age 'should' look like varies with time and cultural expectations.

Added to the crowner, all under "too common to trope":

• Murder-Suicide
• Older Than They Look
• Reasonable Authority Figure

These additions put the crowner at 13 entries total, so please don't add any more to Crowner 40. Save them for 41, which will go up after the currently pending issues are resolved one way or another.

edited 26th Jan '16 5:42:27 AM by Nohbody

For the record, I put Dork Horse Candidate as a morality trope because it involves the other candidate being an Alpha Bitch, which is a morality trope in and of itself.

Ugh, I hate when tropes are just launched as no real life w/o discussion

I'd like to suggest Preacher's Kid as a NRLEP trope. For reference, here's how the trope is described:

"All children are individuals who exhibit good and bad behavior, regardless of what their parents do for a living.

"Except these kids.

"If you're a preacher's kid in fiction, you're either a perfect little angel or—more commonly—a beastly little devil more devoted to mischief and/or promiscuity than any kind of religious study. [...] Of course, in actuality preacher's kids run the gamut in personality traits, but their screw ups tend to be far more public."

Real Life examples seem inappropriate for a few of reasons:

1. It's a morality trope, along the lines of CharacterAlignments, "Ass" in Ambassador, or Good Parents.

2. It's a trope not possible in real life. Even the trope description itself says that real preacher's kids "run the gamut in personality traits". No real human being is a perfect angel or complete demon.

3. Finally, most of the real-life examples seem to be either shoehorned in and boiling down to "Celebrity X's is the child of some type of clergy" or listing specific behaviors and assuming everyone will have the same interpretation of the morality—one example identifies the person as a porn star; another as "the head of a pro-gay marriage alternative church"; another "sings bawdy songs" (oh, the horror).

The trope description does seem to invite real life examples by mentioning that their "screw ups" tend to attract publicity, but even if examples included objective "screw ups" (e.g., a couple of examples mention trouble with the law or confessing to a crime), this seems likely to accumulate Flame Bait.

edited 27th Jan '16 1:41:29 PM by NotOnAnyFlatbread

While I disagree with the claim that it isn't possible in real life, I otherwise fully agree. It doesn't sound like a trope where real life examples should be welcome.

I miss when it was just one or two reasons for NRLEP listed, instead of an entire essay.

But seriously, I'd have no problem with putting Preacher's Kid up for a vote in the next crowner given the misuse, after voting on the last three entries on the current crowner is concluded.

Currently pending:

• Murder-Suicide: Added 26th Jan '16 at 05:40:00 AM, 9:0
• Older Than They Look: Added 26th Jan '16 at 05:40:00 AM, 8:1 (9)
• Reasonable Authority Figure: Added 26th Jan '16 at 05:40:00 AM, 8:1 (9)

edited 27th Jan '16 8:15:06 PM by Nohbody

Why WAS Manufacturing Victims launched as NRLEP anyway? As for Wants a Prize for Basic Decency, same thing?

Nohbody, I apologize if my post was excessively long, but, never having posted here before, I wasn't sure how much justification was needed. I figured people would want enough context to make an initial assessment without digging through the actual trope page.

Not sure, there wasn't really much mention of the reason in the YKTTW for Manufacturing Victims, though there is mention of the Church of Happyology as an RL example. At a guess, though, at least in part it may be because tropers are really lousy at playing Internet Psychiatrist.

I wasn't really serious in that complaint, hence the Joking Mode pothole.

As they have passed the 48 hour mark and show no signs of significantly changing any time soon, calling:

• Murder-Suicide: Added 26th Jan '16 at 05:40:00 AM, 10:0
• Older Than They Think: Added 26th Jan '16 at 05:40:00 AM, 9:1 (10)
• Reasonable Authority Figure: Added 26th Jan '16 at 05:40:00 AM, 9:1 (10)

With that, once I close those out I'll holler for Crowner 41 to be hooked.

edited 28th Jan '16 7:43:13 AM by Nohbody

And ~Doctor Cooper, why did you add Landslide Election to Keep Real Life Examples under crowner 40? It was voted NRLEP, not keep with consensus.

edited 28th Jan '16 7:51:45 AM by Nohbody