Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
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- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
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Do we need to preemptively NRLEP 100% Heroism Rating? It doesn't have any RL examples.
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I'm not sure about Misaimed Fandom (the Guy Fawkes one is a good example; ditto Che).
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"In distress", my ass.
^^ As I said in ATT, preemptive listings are a thing, especially when related tropes are already listed.
^ The description is pretty explicit throughout that MF is about misinterpretations of fiction. Also, at a glance a lot of the actual examples are generic, with Natter scattered throughout, with some entries basically calling RL people assholes ("assholes" is actually in a section header, for crying out loud). There are also a few misplaced entries, like the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion entry which could go on the Literature subpage.
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Alright; in that case, it should be NRLEPed.
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Well, I'll give you that the RL section headers could be changed (as for Fawkes, that could probably go under Film for V for Vendetta).
Some pages that definitely need cleanup, but which might not need to be NRLEP:
Dead Guy on Display: First, I don't know why it's called "Truth in Television" instead of RL. Second, a lot of natter to be found. And one link pretending to be an example.
Complexity Addiction: Overly general "examples" that are only excuses to talk about the trope.
Blood Bath: As a mainly villain trope, this should maybe be NRELP, because someone decided to stick in a RL example, which might be better suited to the decriptiom.
BewareTheNiceOnes.Real Life: Overly general "examples."
ExactWords.Real Life: Natter and overly general examples.
My alignment is Chaotic Cute.
No, the other one.
I suggest first axing the generic examples and natter, and see what remains.
Check out my fanfiction!
I went through and axed most everything I felt did not belong, though if I had any doubt, I left it, since I've been accused of being too harsh. Personally, given the amount that had to be stripped andthe amount of boardliner stuff, I'd be okay with making the NRLEP, but that's me.
edited 24th Nov '14 8:55:03 AM by Terrie
My alignment is Chaotic Cute.
Gentleman Troper!
For consideration: Magical Gesture (defined as "any physical activity required for magic"), and its subtropes Healing Hands, Blasting Time, and Pstandard Psychic Pstance.
These tropes are a visual indication of a character using his magical powers. Obviously, such magical powers don't exist in real life, so these tropes shouldn't have real-life examples. Nevertheless they sometimes attract examples where real-life people use the same pose for a different purpose.
Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!
The crowner is pretty large right now, so we'll get to those on the next one.
If someone is doing the pose/gesture to invoke the effect, does it really matter if it can actually work or not?
Sorcerer in training
There's a difference between 'visual effect intended to give the audience an impression of magic' and 'physical motion that must be done to invoke or use magic'.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Mentioning This Loser Is You here, because of that terrible Christian Weston Chandler of Sonichu fame entry. It needs to be pared down at least.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
This Loser Is You: Character meant to depict the audience is shown negatively.
Why does this have a real life section? It's a characterization trope that needs an audience.
That's the worst example I've ever seen.
And yeah, that trope can't have a real life section.
Disasturbator
"It can't be THAT bad" said Ultimatum as he clicked the link
He fainted. —-
Yeah,a whole wall of text like that is unnecessary,I support its removal.
edited 4th Dec '14 11:55:06 AM by Ultimatum
New theme music also a box
Lost in Space
I mod fiatted that one. Run it in the crowner if you want, but it's gone.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Eh, I don't see the need for the crowner entry anymore.
edited 4th Dec '14 12:04:22 PM by VeryMelon
About time someone called these:
I'm unsure of exactly what I'm supposed to do with Misaimed Fandom though. There is no designated "real life" section; the RL examples seem to be on MisaimedFandom.Other, but not all of them are real life examples. Which ones do I kill and which ones do I spare?
edited 4th Dec '14 11:30:29 PM by MyTimingIsOff
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
If we do cut Blood Bath, the laconic needs changing (says nothing about villains there).
Zzzzzzzzzz
No, the laconic of Blood Bath doesn't need to be changed. The current one covers the trope quite nicely. It doesn't have specify that it's a villain-only trope.
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Sorcerer in training
@My Timing is Off: Real Life examples are always RL examples, and if a trope is NRLEP, they need to be cleaned out wherever they are. Sneaking them into 'Truth in Television', 'News', 'Other', etc., folders to try and keep them is an old and recognized stunt; they still get nuked.
As for the other examples, see if they fit another folder. Sometimes people dump stuff there rather then in the correct folder. I remember one huge "Other" folder I dealt with that was entirely fictional examples that belonged in the anemic Literature and Live-Action folders. Another I ran across was labeled "Other" but was 99% website/comic/youtube examples. And sometimes "Other" stuff has a dedicated folder name or namespace, and the examples were originally lumped together because of paucity of examples and never resorted.
Short version: Nuke the RL examples, see if the rest of the stuff can fit in another folder.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
OK, I took the time to sift through that crap and deleted the RL stuff as well as some "general" examples. I'll sort out the survivors later.
EDIT: OK. I've looked through the remaining examples and most of them were either already on the right page or were too generic, so I got rid of them. The only ones remaining are two fanfic examples (there is no fanfic subpage) and an example about a TV Tropes article (which I'm not entirely sure if it's actually an example).
edited 5th Dec '14 11:38:20 PM by MyTimingIsOff
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Isn't that why we cut it though?
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
^ BTW, Mag Bas, when adding an entry it should also contain a brief summary of the reason the entry was added to the crowner, as well as the timestamp for the initial posting. I've taken care of both for Misaimed Fandom.
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On another note, nominating 100% Heroism Rating, for the same reason that 0% Approval Rating and Hundred Percent Adoration Rating are already NRLEP, namely that perfect subjectively based ratings (whether positive or negative) are impossible in RL.
edited 21st Nov '14 11:46:45 AM by Nohbody
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