Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.
As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
NRLEP tag:
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 13th 2024 at 9:30:24 AM
"In distress", my ass.
Looks pretty good so far. The "Other" folder would still need the reasons for listing, though. (You probably are aware of that, but just making sure.)
I would, though, suggest making Villain Tropes their own category instead of putting them under the good/evil folder. While it's the norm, not all villains are outright evil (which doesn't make it any more appropriate to call RL people villains, mind you).
[edit] While I'm here, calling Unreliable Narrator: Added 3rd Sep '14 at 11:18:11 PM, 13:1 (14).
We should also hold off on making any new crowner entries, as there are 18 in there currently, which is beyond the general aim of around a dozen or so.
edited 6th Sep '14 9:25:05 PM by Nohbody
All your safe space are belong to Trump
That's a doable suggestion.
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
What's the difference between "too common [in real life] to trope" and "real life has no narrative"? The first seems to me to be part of the other.
The child is father to the man —Oedipus
Too common to trope is when a real life example is People Sit On Chairs or is so common that listing every example isn't worth it.
Real life has no narrative is pointing out that real life isn't a story that follows any story telling conventions or uses story-telling tools.
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
If something is PSOC in real life, the only way it even works as a trope is if it serves a narrative purpose.
Putting this here so I'll remember it once the crowner is swapped out: Evil Will Fail, for the reason you think I'm nominating it. The child is father to the man —Oedipus
Things in Real Life are by default PSOC (unless they are in rhetoric or advertising), so using that to describe a Real Life section makes no sense. Also, using "too common" as a synonym for PSOC is a terribly bad idea.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
You 2 make a fair argument. I used the reason for the tropes instead of the names in order to list them in the folders I made. I'll take what you both said into consideration. If I keep this up, I should be done with the sandbox today. I have some other chores to take care of right now.
Any thoughts on Pretend Prejudice? As I noted above, there are several issues with the RL section.
Madrugada, that trope type instead of reason idea is so good for this. Really cuts out the guess work.
edited 7th Sep '14 11:30:39 AM by VeryMelon
No, the other one.
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Yeah, I think that falls afoul of calling real people bigots. And there's a bit of shoehorning.
edited 7th Sep '14 11:33:12 AM by AnotherDuck
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Pretend Prejudice added to the crowner.
Good find, but I think we should hold off on adding more like Nohbody suggested for now.
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Please do hold off on adding more. The crowner is getting too long. Let's finish out this one and I'll hook a new one.
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My apologies. I missed the request to close this one off.
"In distress", my ass.
In the interests of getting the current crowner finished, calling:
- Incest Subtext: Added 5th Sep '14 at 09:12:21 AM, 13:1 (14)
- Face of an Angel, Mind of a Demon: Added 5th Sep '14 at 09:14:31 AM, 13:1 (14)
(Incest Yay Shipping is waiting for the time limit as of this post, it qualifies for NRLEP otherwise)
Also, given the reworking of the NRLEP page, I'm not submitting the above to the "edit locked pages" thread, as it seems to me that it's a waste of time given the revamp of NRLEP that's pending.
All your safe space are belong to Trump
Yeah, best to wait for that until I'm done.
Okay, I can definitely finish this up tomorrow. I still have to decide how broad each category is going to be, but the bulk of the work is done.
"In distress", my ass.
Calling Incest Yay Shipping: Added 5th Sep '14 at 09:07:15 PM, 3:1 (16).
All your safe space are belong to Trump
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I'm fine with making Incest Yay Shipping NRLEP, but it's gonna need a better reason than "ew."
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
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"Discussing real life people's possible relationships with blood kin is gossip." There.
But definitely unofficially ew, uck, and yik.
edited 8th Sep '14 6:46:45 AM by Candi
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Zzzzzzzzzz
How about "ew. Gossipy"
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I'm calling Appeal to Worse Problems to attention. The real life section is ridiculously huge, full of "generic" entries, and honestly, there's a damn good Flame Bait potential in there.
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Isn't listing logical fallacies off-mission anyway? We're not The Other Wiki.
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Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- The item have been on the crowne for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
I plan on deleting the reasons soon enough. Copypasting into different sandboxes and sorting it all out is the best option I have. I'll take care of the subullets tropes as well. I wanted feedback on how I was doing things mainly.