Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
No, the other one.
Not suggesting to cut the section permanently, but the one Real Life example on Cut His Heart Out with a Spoon seems a bit tasteless to me. Delete it?
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Okay, gone.
edited 30th Jun '14 11:49:24 PM by AnotherDuck
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Personally, I think that all the tropes mentioned before can go into the crowner. Also, I'll probably ask for BunnyEarsLawyer.Real Life to be redirected.
Don't know about Broken Bird, but Cut His Heart Out with a Spoon's example is misuse (I doubt that it was meant comedically) so remove it.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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Let's finish off the three that are left on this crowner and start a new one.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
I think if it doesn't have a real life section it doesn't belong on the index, which seems to be the case with the remaining tropes.
And what's going to happen to the RL page of Bunny Ears Lawyer? Permanent Red Link? (which is too much, I think it should just be locked.)
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
Did we determine that IUEO automatically means NRLEP?
The child is father to the man —Oedipus
No, the other one.
I don't think they're equivalent enough on the issue for a blanket implication.
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It's been a while and votes have been in favour, so A Villain Named "Z__rg", The Bad Guy Wins and The Bore are called, their Real Life sections cut and addition to No Real Life Examples, Please! requested. Also, a new crowner is ready and crowner swap request filed as well.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Zzzzzzzzzz
Old crowner locked and unhooked, new crowner hooked.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
A few of the people on Boomerang Bigot admited to be bigots.
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Is that supposed to be an argument for or against cutting the Real Life section?
"In distress", my ass.
Catching up after a couple of months of apathy/laziness, including editing in other important info into the crowner description and fixing entry formatting because I kinda get OCDishDisclaimer about that sort of thing. 
Awesome. 2 days and all the options already are 10 votes in the total.
edited 6th Jul '14 4:34:55 PM by MagBas
"In distress", my ass.
^ That's the power of a nohbody around. 
Seriously though, just to prove I really am back... 
Calling:
- Broken Bird: Added 4th Jul '14 at 01:06:41 AM, 13:0
- Armored Closet Gay: Added 4th Jul '14 at 07:53:05 PM, 12:1 (13)
- Boomerang Bigot: Added 4th Jul '14 at 07:53:48 PM, 3.33:1 (13)
[edit] Though one thing does come to mind: Since the quote for Armored Closet Gay is about an RL person, should it be pulled as well? He's talking about himself, but off the top of my head I don't recall if self-reference to tropes overrides NRLEP. (If it doesn't override NRLEP, then I'll take it to the page quote thread.)
I'm leaving it as-is pending further input.
edited 7th Jul '14 7:02:42 AM by Nohbody
All your safe space are belong to Trump
No, the other one.
It's sort of the type of Real Life example that would be somewhat appropriate, considering it's something he says about himself. It's neither speculation nor gossip.
And it's a good quotation for the page.
edited 7th Jul '14 7:34:17 AM by AnotherDuck
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despite it being about a real person, I think the Armored Closet Gay quote is okay. As already pointed out, it's not speculation, he's talking about himself. It's also not sneering or dismissive. and it's quite illustrative of the trope. Unless someone finds a different one that's even better, I vote to keep it.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Armoured Closet Gay's quote is fine.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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Yeah, it sounds OK to me.
The voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground
As I mentioned in another thread, there might not be a problem with the RL section of Never Live it Down per se, but the section on our current president has, IMO, definitely descended into partisanship.
Is that section the only one that's problematic, or is there more?
Lost in Space
That "Politicians" section has a bad case of faulty example sorting, for one thing. For another, while it certainly makes for interesting reading — and the fact that the Republican media won't let anything go is not a partisan one — it strike me as flame bait just waiting for a match.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
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I just started the sorting. It wasn't sorted at all before this afternoon. I apologize for not getting it finished...
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
No, the other one.
I wouldn't mind seeing that section gone. It's largely about talking about bad stuff about real people. Overall, I don't think YMMV and Real Life examples mix very well, and this is one example of it.
No need to apologise for not doing work no one else does. (Also, ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
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Concurred. The rest of it isn't as bad as that politics section (perhaps unsurprisingly), but I just don't see a lot of good coming from it.
NeverLiveItDown.Real Life: The fox's efforts are valuable, but I am on two minds on that page. I am not seeing major incidents during its history, but it's really political.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
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- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
Have you guys discussed Broken Bird? It seems a little messed up have stuff about people's history with abuse or whatever listed on their page.