Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.
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NRLEP tag:
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
Sorcerer in training
On Yahoo Messenger, there's a little green smiley with bulging cheeks for 'feeling nauseous'. That was my initial reaction on seeing that section. Once the votes are in, nuke with extreme prejudice.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
"In distress", my ass.
Gah. One problem with being away at work for 12 hours a day (travel time + 11hr workday, breaks/lunch included) is even when you're home you don't have time to do everything and still get in enough sleep. Waaaay behind on stuff here, so I'll hit the calls to start, and get to the rest later.
Calling:
- Back from the Dead: Added 15th Feb '14 at 08:29:25 PM, 15:1 (16)
- Informed Attractiveness: Added 14th Feb '14 at 09:43:19 PM, 7.5:1 (17)
- Contractual Immortality: Added 15th Feb '14 at 08:22:19 PM, 13:1 (14)
- Humor Dissonance: Added 14th Feb '14 at 09:38:33 PM, 5.5:1 (13)
- Informed Ability: Added 14th Feb '14 at 09:40:38 PM, 3:1 (16)
- Informed Flaw: Added 14th Feb '14 at 09:45:36 PM, 2.5:1 (14)
edited 23rd Feb '14 2:40:52 AM by Nohbody
All your safe space are belong to Trump
Sorcerer in training
Ooooops... Um, sorry, Nohbody. I've been playing a lot of Sims 2 lately (and trying out Sims PE), so I haven't been paying much attention.
Edit: Added Create Your Own Villain. Villain trope and the darn folder's a mess.
edited 23rd Feb '14 4:20:27 AM by Candi
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Dawson Casting impossible in real life? The examples seem pretty legit to me.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Lost in Space
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Are you going to explain to me how real life has casting?
Zzzzzzzzzz
Dawson Casting in Real Life: undercover cops in their 20's or 30's who look sufficiently young being sent into high schools posing as students.
There. "Casting" in Real Life. and that took me less than a minute to think of. Similarly, prostitute who are of legal age dressing and acting underage for their johns. Sick, but legal, and Dawson Casting in Real Life.
If you want to put a NRLEP tag on it, I have no objections to that, but it needs a different reason than "impossible in Real Life."
edited 23rd Feb '14 12:51:52 PM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Can we make Powered by a Forsaken Child no real life, because the examples are not only creepy but shoehorned.
Sorcerer in training
Dawson Casting: Well, the prostitute one is creepy to me, and might attract Content Violation entries.
The undercover cops one strikes me as hard to get specific examples for without a People Sit on Chairs vibe, since 'underage' undercover happens. General examples aren't allowed, so that's out.
Forsaken Child: Oh. Dear. Ow ow ow. Can we vote to nuke?
edited 23rd Feb '14 4:48:54 PM by Candi
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Lost in Space
For Dawson Casting, there has to be a deliberate attempt to pass off an older person as a younger one. I'd be inclined to scrap the "luring pedophiles" ones out of pure creepiness factor, not because they aren't examples.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Wide Eyed Wonderman
The RL Section for Forsaken Child: please nuke immediately, nothing but soapboxing.
David Bowie 1947-2016
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
No vote on it?
Sorcerer in training
The guideline is, if it doesn't violate Content Policy or copyright, and there's no mod/admin fiat, it has to be voted on. I agree with Forsaken Child needing to be nuked, though.
Edit: Expanded the reasons for Forsaken Child to be nuked and added timestamp of original post.
edited 23rd Feb '14 9:30:49 PM by Candi
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Two things I noticed looking at the current list:
- Create Your Own Villain is listed twice.
- If Humor Dissonance is PSOC, why is that just the case for real life entries?
Sorcerer in training
Removed duplicate Create your own villain entry (the one with fewer votes) and added the reasons to the other entry. Thanks for catching that.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Sorcerer in training
Double post for thread bump:
Dirty Old Man was brought up on Ask The Tropers for having a real life section. Considering what it's about, that's probably not a good idea, plus most of the 'examples' are ZCEs anyway.
Thoughts before it gets added?
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Someone jumped the gun on deleting Powered by a Forsaken Child before the vote.
Sorcerer in training
(looks at history) Same guy who tried to have it added to the NRLEP list on Edit Requests for Locked pages. Septimus has restored it, with edit reason.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Sorry there, responses seem very positive in favor of deleting. I didn't realize that wasn't enough.
Sorcerer in training
No matter how many people want it squashed, we still have to treat them all the same. It keeps new tropers from being confused, and fussy people from whining about favoritism. Only mod/admin fiat and Content Policy violations can (normally) overrule that.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Sorcerer in training
Calling:
Vampire Invitation: No vampires in real life, shoehorned example. 6:1 (14)
Leaving Dawson Casting for now. It's technically been up long enough, but the discussion over it suggests leaving it for more talk and votes.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
I filed a no vote on Dawson Casting, per Madrugada's comments a page or so back.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Also, I'll mention Fair for Its Day here, since some people raised issues on the discussion page.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
Dawson Casting and Humor Dissonance both rely on a division between in-universe and out-of-universe:
- If Dawson Casting is "Characters are portrayed by actors quite a bit older than they are", the Real Life version would be "people are quite a bit older than they are."
- Humor Dissonance is a similar situation. Media examples are "joke is funny to the other characters but not to the reader/viewer." The Real Life version is "joke is funny to some people and not others."
When I first looked at Dawson Casting I accidentally looked only at the folder under "Exceptions," so I might have gotten an inaccurate impression. As for the types of examples brought up in this discussion, once someone is playing a role, we are no longer talking about Real Life* .
edited 25th Feb '14 9:27:09 AM by HersheleOstropoler
The child is father to the man —Oedipus
Cleric of Banjo
Looking briefly at the real life examples of Dawson Casting, I think they seem legit.
I came across the Discussion for Fair for Its Day and would agree to cut the real life examples- it is very subjective what is "Fair", and as the Discussion implied, a lot of examples seem like back-patting for behavior that wasn't actually unusually progressive for its time.
Edit, edit, edit, edit the wiki
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David Bowie 1947-2016