Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.
As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 13th 2024 at 9:30:24 AM
"In distress", my ass.
Barring objections, for Tanks for Nothing I'm going to be going with the reason given in this post for adding to the NRLEP addition reason. "Until Kaiju, aliens, mutant horrors, or Humongous Mecha appear in Real Life, Real Life examples can only be shoehorning." (tweaked slightly from original)
Sorcerer in training
Thanks. 
We can call Unfortunate Name a done deal, I think.
Lost in Space
Adding Butter Face, although I'm tempted to mod fiat this one.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Sorcerer in training
@Fighteer: That's why you're a good mod -you can avoid the temptation if there's not a firm ground for it. 
I like the Tardis in your current avatar.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Officially intimidated
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Lost in Space
Meh, I just went ahead with it in anticipation of the vote; I would have reversed it had it come in strongly against. Considering the current vote, I was correct.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Butter Face is 10 to 0. Can it be officially called?
"In distress", my ass.
For the sake of making things official, calling:
- Butter Face: Added 28th Jan '14 at 12:38:00 PM, 11:0
- Unfortunate Names: Added 25th Jan '14 at 06:38:21 PM, 2.2:1 (16)
edited 29th Jan '14 11:17:48 AM by Nohbody
All your safe space are belong to Trump
Something worth noting: When we remove RL subpages here, we should probably ask for the RL tab to be put in the Permanent Red Link Club in the Wiki Talk thread about lock requests in cut pages.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Sorcerer in training
Kill Em All has a real life section, although the description leans towards -but is not specific about- the concept being a way to end a story or series. I also just cleaned up some low-level natter, a bit of thread mode, and some serious example indentation problems out of the RL section. I also think the Vietnam entry may be misuse based on the description and most of the examples. (Although that event always turns my stomach.)
Is it worth NRLE Ping, or should it just be keep clean or watch?
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
I'm pretty sure Kill Em All is an ending trope, so I'm inclined to think that any RL example (except some kind of super-general "everyone dies eventually" thing) would be automatic misuse.
Edit: After actually looking at the section in question, I say cut it all. Most of the general stuff feels like shoehorning and is kind of nattery, and the massacres and the like are straight up misusing the trope to mean an order to kill everyone, which is another trope (though I'm not sure what).
edited 29th Jan '14 10:10:14 PM by nrjxll
Foregone Conclusion: is an Ending Trope about telling the ending of a narrative at the beginning. Since real life isn't any sort of narrative, I move it be cut. Plus the examples under it are more prediction of an ending than anything else.
Invincible Hero: Same as above, it's more a catalog of sports winning streaks than any narrative invincible heroes.
Also hey nrjxll I haven't seen you in a while.
edited 30th Jan '14 4:28:04 PM by VeryMelon
I've been around. Probably posting a little less than before, though.
Wide Eyed Wonderman
Evil Is One Big, Happy Family: Not nice to call real people evil, and generally real life "bad guys" don't turn themselves into a grand league of evil.
David Bowie 1947-2016
I went ahead and added it to the crowner with your reasoning.
Sorcerer in training
Any more thoughts on NRLEPing Kill Em All, Foregone Conclusion, and Invincible Hero before they're added to the crowner?
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Lost in Space
Awesome McCoolname just crossed my radar. Seems like it might need to be labeled In Universe Examples Only to avoid the inevitable subjectivity. But there's also a Real Life section so we may as well kill two birds with one stone.
The big problem with the RL section as I see it is that it seems to list both people who happen to have cool names to begin with and people who give themselves cool names. Intent is only possible with the latter, or at the very least by someone deliberately promoting their real name as awesome. Where's the line?
I see no reason not to make those NRLEP.
edited 31st Jan '14 1:46:11 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds has a "General" subpage:
Now, let's not get nasty about this. General examples only.
- It is very common for victims of bullying and abuse to turn into this.
- Despite the destruction they cause, many terrorist groups do have legitimate grievances, even if they deal with them in the wrong way.
Sure it says to keep the entries general, but it still seems like a real life section in all but name.
Granted, Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds isn't strictly a villain trope, since a character can be a WDOW without technically being evil (For example, Elsa from Frozen). But when tropers list someone as a WDOW, they're generally talking about a villain.
Lost in Space
There should not be "general" examples, ever. That's an explicit violation of the rules, never mind the problem of calling real life people woobies — or world-destroyers, for that matter.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Sorcerer in training
Examples aren't supposed to be general, which counts heavily against the WDOW page.
As I understand it, NRLEP means no RL examples, not in an Other folder, not under a General heading. On my initial read-through of the thread, History seemed to be the only iffy part, and that tends to be handled case by case.
Awesome McCoolname RL seems to me to be attracting misuse.
I'll try to remember to add the three I mentioned to the crowner when I get back from errands, if nobody beats me.
Edit: Invincible Hero, Kill Em All, and Foregone Conclusion added to header.
edited 31st Jan '14 6:46:33 PM by Candi
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Sorcerer in training
Any thoughts before Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds/General and Awesome McCoolname are added?
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Dropping a note that cut requests on the Unfortunate Names pages have been declined.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Why? Is this something that can be appealed?
EDIT PS: I would suspect that the request was declined because of the 33 inbounds that go directly to the subpage. My recommendation would be to turn the real life subpages for Unfortunate Name into redirects to the main page.
edited 2nd Feb '14 2:28:20 AM by Catbert
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- The item have been on the crowne for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
In practice, though, most In Universe Examples Only pages are a bad idea to put Real Life examples on, too. (Since they'd make the page complain-y.)
edited 27th Jan '14 4:04:34 PM by DracMonster