Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread.
This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
NRLEP tag:
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LRLEO tag:
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
Conversation In The Main Page is already dealt with in the NATTER ALERT thread, but the rest is OK here.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanI brought these up in Ask The Tropers, but Ambiguously Jewish and Ambiguously Gay. Not too squicky aside from the loaded word "suspected" in a few spots, but they're objective tropes of which "author dropping subtle hints" is an intrinsic element, and that doesn't happen in real life.
The child is father to the man —OedipusI vote the kill Real Life examples on Ambiguously Gay. TV Tropes is not a gossip column and it is not our place to speculate about the sexuality of Real Life people.
We Will Have Euthanasia in the Future shouldn't have real life examples if you ask me. It's quite the controversial topic and talks about the future, not about the current situation.
Agree with and .
It does not matter who I am. What matters is, who will you become? - motto of Omsk BirdInsufferable Genius.... calling a real person insufferable is really too much.
Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!Agreed. That section also has really bad indentation and some natter problems.
That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.I agree with cutting all the real life sections of the pages mentioned so far. The Ambiguously X tropes and We Will Have Euthanasia in the Future by definition can't appear in real life (as mentioned by others earlier), and Insufferable Genius is rather negative.
So how do we come to an official decision on this tread? Mass crowner? Or wait for a mod to come along and make an official declaration?
Probably a crowner like on the YMMV tropes thread and the the Trivia tropes thread, but either get a mod to call it or have a ratio bar when we can call it, though that may well need to be higher than the one on the Trivia crowner.
I know, but "calling" is the term used in both threads I linked above, so...
edited 22nd Apr '12 11:58:08 AM by Telcontar
That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.These crowners have to be called by individual tropers, by striking out the items that have consensus. No way regular closure can be done here, since we would need a crowner for each item under discussion [/didactic]
edited 22nd Apr '12 11:53:18 AM by SeptimusHeap
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanStarting the crowner. If it gets too unwieldy, we can limit the size to, say, 10 or 15 pages and make new crowners as we go.
edited 22nd Apr '12 2:06:44 PM by Willbyr
You only need a moderator to close a crowner, but it usually happens along with calling.
These crowners can't be called by moderators, since they vote on many things at once and you can't close just one item.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanI'm adding Sissy Villain to the list. It's got problems beyond the whole we don't like to call real people villains thing.
Bigotry will NEVER be welcome on TV Tropes.As a general rule of thumb, I'd like to suggest:
Future Tropes (what with not happening and all)
edited 23rd Apr '12 12:41:13 AM by Deboss
Fight smart, not fair.I don't like the idea of adding indices wholesale, but I agree that the Characterization Tropes probably need to be handled carefully in real life. They're particularly prone to the "objective in fiction, subjective in reality" issue, and/or are PSOC in real life.
edited 23rd Apr '12 8:42:23 AM by HersheleOstropoler
The child is father to the man —OedipusNo, please don't add whole indices in the crowner. It will just get messy.
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - FighteerWait, is this crowner just for removing real life examples, or is it for removing real life examples and applying No Real Life Examples Please?
I think for the latter. Real Life examples usually go as soon as they become a problem. No Real Life Examples Please is what this crowner is for.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanI've added I Resemble That Remark! because it looks like it's asking for trouble.
Can I Resemble That Remark! be cleaned and kept?
The child is father to the man —OedipusUnlike some of the others here, that one is pretty objective, but, that being said, it seems to attract examples that can be controversial. My advice is that if you want it cleaned and kept, go ahead and clean it now, then watchlist it, so that you can keep it clean. If you can keep it from becoming a problem again, then I see no reason not to keep it.
Bigotry will NEVER be welcome on TV Tropes.I never said I was volunteering
But yeah, I'll clean it, and then give it a couple of days. If it can't be cleaned/kept clean, I'll come back here and say so.
The child is father to the man —Oedipus
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread.
This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
When adding to the crowner:
In order for a crowner to pass:
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
NRLEP tag:
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800
LRLEO tag:
%%The following restrictions apply: [list restriction(s) here]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800
Notes:
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer