Inspired by this thread
, I've noticed that this wiki doesn't have a dedicated cleanup thread for negativity.
As we all know, Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, Creator Bashing and other negativity isn't desired on the wiki, except in a few selected areas like reviews and several Darth Wiki pages (and even then, with limitations). And yet, it's one of the most common sins wiki contributors can make.
So, if you find a page, TLP or discussion whose content seems like a straight-up insult or any other bitching - including complainy soapboxing -, you might ask here for help with removing said content.
The sandbox for this project is located at Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining.
Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 27th 2022 at 5:36:47 AM
The Unknown
Kill it for shoehorning.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
Queen of Good Things, Honest
I've made the proposed changes. This also stands out.
to noting how this completely undermines the "progressive" message that the film is trying to support. In addition Patti is the only Ghostbuster that lacks a college level education while her white teammates all have PhDs in their respective fields, being prominent scientists and engineers while Patti is just a simple subway employee.I'm bothered by the hotlinks to angry articles on external sites - the second one being some guy's blog - to do the complaining but I don't want to be overzealous. I try to stick to the factual Main page of a work so I'm legitimately not sure if that's kosher on YMMV pages. What do you guys think?
edited 1st Jun '16 7:34:19 PM by TobiasDrake
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Green_Lantern 40 has re-added some of the stuff on Trivia.Ghostbusters 2016 that Karxrida removed.
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Either holler your current post or report it in ATT. In addition, if you do report it in ATT, please request a page lock. It's very clear that page will get edit wars due to the trailers alone.
Also, for someone who said "I don't want to be pedant by pointing out grammar mistakes", well... the wiki does care about proper grammar(albeit, there is also factors like how the Wiki specifically works rulings-wise in some situations), so it's hardly pedant to want to do it right. It's only pedant really when overly complaining about someone's grammar in a topic outside of the Get Help With English thread, where we are trying to help them with that.
...It's weird having so many websites and no way to properly display now, lol.
Unfortunate Implications is a bit of a Catch-22; it requires citation to prove that it's not just one Single-Issue Wonk troper's opinion, meaning that a certain amount of hotlinking to "angry articles on external sites" is actually necessary.
That said, the example as written is wordy, redundant, and has a non-neutral tone. I'd rewrite it something like this:
- Unfortunate Implications: Accusations of racism have been leveled surrounding the character of Patti, the only major non-white character in the film, who is portrayed as a Sassy Black Woman who is both Book Dumb and Street Smart. She's the only Ghostbuster that lacks a college level education (she's a subway employee) while her white teammates all have PhDs in their respective fields.
edited 2nd Jun '16 6:36:39 AM by HighCrate
That's a lot better.
The Unknown
Bringing Mighty No. 9 again, since its YMMV page has issues with negativity in general.
edited 6th Jun '16 2:20:15 PM by Karxrida
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
Could someone take a look at the YMMV page for Mega Man (2017), the series doesn't come out till next year, so I'm not sure how valid some of the more negative examples on the page are.
Persona 4 needs a bit of help. There seems to be a lot of personal complaints shoehorned into audience reaction tropes. There are also some minor problems, like the inclusion of non-YMMV items and one-sided Base Breaker and Broken Base entries.
To trope, or not to trope...that is the question.
Dread Sorcerer of Auchtermuchty
I deleted two things off there that were speculative. Cliché Storm and They Just Didn't Care, simply because both of them remain to be seen.
I'll look over Persona 4 and see what I can do.
There is a Ban on Politics on the entire site, right?
edited 13th Jun '16 4:46:29 PM by maxwellsilver
I was going to remove these and leave an edit reason along the lines of "Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment" or political commentary not being in this wiki's scope, but I should probably ask here.
From YMMV.Cracked
- Adam Tod Brown's article 5 Ways Donald Trump Perfectly Mirrors Hitler's Rise To Power was published about a month before Trump proposed keeping every Muslim in America on a registry and floated the idea of forcing Muslims to bear ID marking them as Muslim, which is terrifyingly similar to what the real Adolph Hitler infamously implemented prior to the Final Solution.
- Adam Tod Brown's article 5 Ways Donald Trump Perfectly Mirrors Hitler's Rise To Power
From YMMV.Mad TV
- In 2004, the show aired a sketch that featured North Korean dictator Kim Jong-Il hosting a talk show with Donald Trump as his personal guest. It drew parallels between both men's famous egotism, seemingly suggesting that the reality TV star would get along well with Kim. In 2015, Donald Trump surprised the world by entering politics, and ended up unexpectedly becoming a serious candidate for President of the United States. While on the campaign trail, he ended up attracting widespread criticism for (among other things) proposing a national registry to keep tabs on American Muslims, suggesting fighting Islamic terrorism by targeting and killing terrorists' families, and encouraging his supporters to physically attack protestors at his rallies. It seems that the two men might have even more in common than MAD thought.
- In 2004, the show aired a sketch
Lost in Space
Not a Ban on Politics per se, but the Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment, which indicates that rushing to "trope" the latest political drama or scandal or internet controversy risks making the wiki party to said drama, to all our detriment.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
So should I just remove those examples and leave a reason about politics not being within the site's scope?
Lost in Space
Yeah, those seem a bit too flame-baity. But let's not call a blanket ban on politics, just a ban on "current events lol".
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Found these on WMG.Ghostbusters 2016, are these legitimate or not:
- Building on this: The people making the trailers are trying to sabotage the movie.
- Continuing: The movie will actually be good and become one of the biggest examples of And You Thought It Would Fail in film history.
- Gord lord I hope this will be right. Heck, I'm hoping it will be legitimately better than Ghostbusters II as it would be hard to match up the original film. I'm not a hater, but II was a less-than-stellar sequel and not the sequel that Ghostbusters deserved.
- Continuing: The movie will actually be good and become one of the biggest examples of And You Thought It Would Fail in film history.
- This troper thinks the movie will be a financial success anyways because most of the haters will pay to see the movie.
- Jossed. This movie has been confirmed to be a reboot. Furthermore, although original cast members will appear, not only are they just cameos but they're playing different characters in the original movie.
- It's actually more complex than that. The reason Paul Feig has been so vocal is because he's received legitimate death threats over making a movie that would have been directed by someone else anyway. If you don't believe me, use a Wayback Machine. Furthermore, the actors themselves have been getting some unnecessarily negative responses. It's to the point where Leslie Jones went borderline-quitting, as noted on the Trivia tab. It's also worth noting that it's only be certain persons (not staff members or cast members, they were responding to the actual misogyny which has been present since the female cast was first announced). Furthermore, the are actual nerds and geeks that agree with his statements about geek culture. Also, has the infighting actually been proven? I'm pretty sure it hasn't.
- While you're correct in the assumption that this Ghostbusters could be directed by someone else (Amy Pascal fronted the concept, not Feig), you're really downplaying Feig's aggressiveness towards fans of the original film. While he has indeed gotten death threats over the film (And That's Terrible), he has also shown a propensity for lashing out at fans who had legitimate concerns about the film. Death threats or not, that's a pretty dickish way to act and doesn't really help his case. Also, these videos detail how there may actually be evidence of in-fighting among the actresses and crew members.
- While you're correct in the assumption that this Ghostbusters could be directed by someone else (Amy Pascal fronted the concept, not Feig), you're really downplaying Feig's aggressiveness towards fans of the original film. While he has indeed gotten death threats over the film (And That's Terrible), he has also shown a propensity for lashing out at fans who had legitimate concerns about the film. Death threats or not, that's a pretty dickish way to act and doesn't really help his case. Also, these videos
- It's really not that hard at all. He's seen much more than we've seen. Plus, he's had the luxury of footage that has been edited better.
- I doubt that the legal system is that easy to abuse.
- Oh, dear naive Troper, you know not the power of Hollywood lawyers. For one example, Whoopi Goldberg was threatened with litigation if she didn't complete Theodore Rex. Just the idea that she would rather go through THAT movie instead of going through litigation should be a testament to the fear actors have of the lawyers.
- This theory holds more water given how there's evidence that Bill Murray may have been pressured into a cameo through threat of litigation.
- Hell, it's how they got him to do Garfield.
- He's also probably afraid that Sony won't let him have involvement in future Ghostbusters projects if he doesn't endorse this one.
- From the look of things, the negativity just seems to be creating stronger bonds.
- Alternatively, they'll blame it on misogyny, like they're already doing.
I would say no.
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Definitely not.
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All of them are complaining (in a really annoying way, too - I'd much rather people just say "this sucks" then do passive-aggressive things like writing a hostile WMG) except the Stealth Sequel one. That can stay, since we don't remove WMG entries based on their accuracy.
The Merry Monarch of Darkness
What on Earth is people's obsession with this movie goddamn.
The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
The Merry Monarch of Darkness
Okay, so, the Moral Event Horizon page has a gargantuan entry for the goofy teen sitcom Drake and Josh, including the actual page quote for the live action section. IMO absolutely none of it is anything more that typical sitcom douchiness and the entry seems to be largely stealth bitching about the bratty sister character.
The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
I really think the whole section should be cut. It really violates the point of the trope.
The Merry Monarch of Darkness
Some people on this site really seem to hate certain Jerkassy sitcom characters with a passion usually reserved for the most despicable villains and members of whatever political party you don't like. In addition to the Drake and Josh sister I've seen a ton of bashing of the mom on Malcolm in the Middle and the wife from Everybody Loves Raymond.
edited 9th Jul '16 9:19:21 PM by HamburgerTime
The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
Speaking of hated trailers, Found this on the Mighty No. 9 page.
- Deader Than Disco: And the game isn't even out yet! When the project was first pushed to Kickstarter, it became massively popular, becoming one of the most-funded gaming projects on Kickstarter and blowing through every single stretch goal, even goals that Comcept had to come up with as they realized how much momentum they were gaining. With the various delays, development troubles, an animation series and other things that fans see as needless scope creep, fans' opinions of the games have changed gradually to anywhere between "just give me my damn game already" to "I don't want this anymore, I want my money back."
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