This is the sticky thread for questions related to the namespacing of works. As in, "which is the right namespace for this work?"
Ideally, questions already answered are covered on the Namespace Map. If you know a namespacing issue has already been resolved, but it is not yet documented on the Map, please update the Map.
If you want to suggest a new namespace, don't post here, but in Suggesting New Namespaces
instead.
For easier reference, I've numbered my questions:
- #1: Where do animated films go? They seem to be distributed rather inconsistenly over Film/ (Puss In Boots, Whats Opera Doc), WesternAnimation/ (Disneys Anne Frank, Snow White), Anime/ (Princess Mononoke) and Disney/ (Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs, Der Fuehrers Face).
- #2: There are a few songs which have their own pages ("Pirate Jenny"). Where do they go – to Music/ or to Literature/ ?
- #3: Where do composers go – to Music/ , or are they to be treated like other creators, which hitherto stay on Main/ ?
- #4: Where do Talk Shows, Game Shows and News Broadcasts go? I guess you could call these formats Live-Action TV but they're not really "TV series", as in Series/.
- #5: Am I right in assuming that Puppet Shows go to Series/ ?
- #6: What about “hybrid shows”, i.e. segment shows that incorporate both live action and animation? (e.g. Die Sendung Mit Der Maus)
- #7: Where to put picture books? I am thinking of books like Der Struwwelpeter and Max and Moritz — books that are really not complete without their illustrations. They are not (yet) ComicBook/s, but to sort them under Literature/ feels a little unsatisfactory too.
- #8: The rule is to put works into the namespace of their original medium. However, once in a while there is a work which is little known in its original medium, and almost exclusively known by its adaptation. I’m thinking of Das Boot, for example: there's a novel, but it is almost exclusively known by the Petersen movie.
- #9: Should One Book Authors who are invariably tied to a single work be treated as a creator or a work page rather?— Currently, we have Samuel Pepys and Herodotus, but shouldn't these pages be at Literature/The Diary of Samuel Pepys and Literature/The Histories rather?
- #10: There are cases where I’m unsure whether to use the English or the original title. Is there are hard rule that determines whether Der Ring Des Nibelungen goes to Theatre/Der Ring des Nibelungen or Theatre/The Ring of the Nibelung? Even Wikipedia uses the original title.
I'd be grateful for input.
Edited by SeptimusHeap on Nov 9th 2023 at 8:15:08 PM
Dunno if this is the right place, but what about religion stuff?
On trope pages, I've seen it as "Mythology", "Religion", "Mythology and Religion", and "Literature," with the occasional "Real Life" entry. I edited a trope that had "M&R" as a category, and still had a Bible entry under "Lit." When I edited it, I noticed that the link for the Bible is The Bible.
Personally, as a Christian, I find listing /any/ religious text as "literature" is a bit offensive. I would prefer any religious text to be listed as Religion/[text] or, really, Religion/[Religion], since, well, there's more to a religion than just the text.
I don't understand much about namespaces, so my question is probably more toward what category religious entries should be placed under. "Mythology and Religion" is my preference, because it unbiasedly allows people to determine which are myths and which are religion, without offending anyone by putting their religion specifically under "mythology" or "literature", but without the complexity on if you put it under "real life."
Sorry if this isn't the right place, I barely know how to do anything other than adding entries on pages ^^;
From here to the future... do you have the courage to ride with the devil?
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We really don't have an official namespace for mythology or religion. Literature/ is the closest thing we do have.
You're free to suggest new namespaces, of course.
World's Toughest Milkman
Literature refers to the fact that it's words written on papernote . We have biographies and science books and all sorts of things listed under literature. It has nothing to do with it being or not being fiction, if that's what concerns you.
eta: in fact, we have a whole index of Non-Fiction Literature.
edited 25th May '13 8:47:59 PM by Xtifr
Speaking words of fandom: let it squee, let it squee.
Mummy Woomy
Should Chekovs Gun (NOT Chekhov's Gun) be moved to Just for Fun/?
"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
Already discussed here (can't really link here). It works best here.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
@Mokona: As Xtifr said, Literature denotes the medium (i.e. books, written words) and, at least to my mind, does not imply "fiction".
There are various common folder categories (Poetry, Fairy Tales, Folklore, Mythology, etc) which are frequently split off of Literature, as Literature is a pretty broad category and large folders are impractical. But there isn't any standard about it. IMO you are free to rename any folder containing Biblical examples to "Religion", or "Mythology and Religion" respectively.
Let's just say and leave it at that.
Ode To Joy needs a namespace.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Probably Literature/ or Music/.
In uffish thought
Ride of the Valkyries and Also sprach Zarathustra are in Music/, so Ode To Joy should match them. On the other hand, it has been argued that they are written as trope pages, essentially with the meaning "this scene is awesome". They can also be Stock Homages (not the right word, but whatever) as Stock Shout-Outs are — the pages are listed as subtropes of Standard Snippet — and stock shout-outs like Moby Schtick or the "King Kong" Climb are listed in Main/.
(she/her)
That is correct.
Dwarf Fortress does not look like it's the right namespace. Is there a better one?
Also, shall we cutlist the following: Tutorialdraft
edited 28th May '13 10:39:03 AM by SeptimusHeap
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Wandering...
Should the namespace map list Let's Play personae as "'NOT Creator/"? I don't want to edit it without some form of consensus.
edited 29th May '13 6:13:43 PM by DunDun
Yes. They have their own namespace: LetsPlay/
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Mummy Woomy
I'm a bit confused with Zero Punctuation and Extra Credits. Both are series that use the same format: Discussing topics accompained by several relevant (and not so relevant) drawings and pictures, but mostly drawings. ZP in on Web Animation/, while EC is in Web Video/. Should one of those be moved?
"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
Where does NFL Quarterbacks On Facebook go? It was just created by someone who enlisted assistance on Ask The Tropers.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Lost in Space
Edit: Argh, forgot which thread this was. I'd put it on Website/ if there's no better location.
edited 31st May '13 10:03:51 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SIC Hero Saga also needs a namespace (as well as a description that isn't copypasted from Kamen Rider Wiki)
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Wandering...
I agree that NFL Quarterbacks On Facebook should be on Website/.
Mummy Woomy
I agree that it should be one Website/ ....buuut it looks like someone already copy-pasted the article to the correct namespace, so I just made the Main/ page a redirect.
Besides the problem with Zero Punctuation and Extra Credits I mentioned above, I'm also conflicted with Turnabout Storm. It's a video fan series done in Ace Attorney's Visual Novel style (making use of slightly animated Character Portraits for example) that's been sitting idly in Fan Fic/ for a while. I can't help but feel it'd be better off in Web Video/ or Web Animation/.
edited 31st May '13 7:49:21 PM by Elbruno
"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
That one should go into WebAnimation/
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Captain of USS Bajor
I'm considering writing a work page for Justice by Any Means, a Web Serial Novel I've been writing off and on on DeviantArt. The tricky part is the setting, which is the EV Nova universe, but after a thousand-year timeskip that renders it almost unrecognizable as such.
With that in mind, Literature/ or Fan Fic/?
edited 1st Jun '13 11:43:45 AM by StarSword
Mummy Woomy
Yeah, I was thinking the same. (Oh boy, here we go...)
I would say that if the fact that it's set in that same universe is central to the story and/or acknowledged in it, it would fall on Fan Fic/. If it taking place in that universe is just a passing thought, then I feel it would lean towards Literature/, but I'm not completely sure.
edited 1st Jun '13 11:37:25 AM by Elbruno
"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
Captain of USS Bajor
@569: I'm inclined to say Literature, as after a little research it seems to be serial novels published in a magazine.
Pokemon Tropes A To I, Pokemon Tropes J To R and Pokemon Tropes S To Z. Are these really supposed to be in Main/? I don't think so.
No, they should be in Pokemon/. Just a product of someone not knowing how such page splits are normally done.
edited 24th May '13 3:29:09 AM by Telcontar
That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.