Rename: NEW CROWNER (Alt Titles 12-28-12): Asian Gal With White Guy get usage counts
With social structures where men have power over women and white people have power over non-whites, a relationship between a white man and an Asian woman can easily be portrayed as being rooted in racism and misogyny. Simply put, she is the White Man's Little Asian Woman. In such a relationship, the white man is dominant because he's white and male, while the Asian woman is submissive because she's Asian and female. In classic Orientalism, this is portrayed as a good thing: He's an awesome Mighty Whitey, while she's some kind of exotic romantic dream Mysterious Waif or similar. In more modern narratives, it is instead often portrayed as matter of exploitation. Not only does he have better economy and education and a western citizenship, but these advantages becomes tools to oppress her. Such a plot-line often start out with him going to the east s a tourist or adventurer, or with her going to the west to work and hoping to find a better life. While traveling to another country to find love isn't a problem in and of itself, it can still slip into the Mighty Whitey dynamic when it's a white man obtaining an Asian girlfriend (even if that wasn't intentional) and it just as easily slip into the "submissive Asian girlfriend" stereotype if she's foreign, uneducated, underage, destitute, etc. When a character is maligning a mixed marriage or display jealousy/entitlement, the "White Man's Little Asian Woman" trope is likely to be discussed or invoked in the worst possible light, unfairly accusing a relationship of being this trope. The trope may also be a part of someone's Race Fetish - which may or may not be done in an objectifying (or even outright exploitative) manner. When characters play with the such dynamics in a Safe, Sane and Consensual manner, it may drift into the territory of Casual Kink. Portraying a character (either in-universe or by the narrative itself) as "White Man's Little Asian Woman" is sometimes also a case of tropes such as Asian Speekee Engrish, Asian Babymama, Extreme Doormat, or even Asian Hooker Stereotype.
edited 10th Mar '12 5:51:09 AM by Xzenu
edited 10th Mar '12 7:45:11 AM by KingZeal
edited 10th Mar '12 8:47:13 AM by shimaspawn
Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
edited 10th Mar '12 2:40:34 PM by shimaspawn
This trope describes an unequal romantic/sexual relationship between a white/caucasian male and an asian woman (or their fantasy culture counterparts) with the male as the clearly dominant partner. "Relationship" can mean many different things, and includes one-night-stands, sexual propositions, or mere dating. In Western cinema, there is a lot of baggage which comes with this sort of couple. Early in the 20th Century, the Far East (or the "Orient") was seen as something exotic, dangerous, mystical and untamed. Most stories of the time dealt with some sort of Yellow Peril and acted as Wish Fulfillment for White Male Leads and involved a him forming some sort of relationship with a beautifully exotic asian woman. While that in itself wasn't so bad, over time, many of the same patterns began become reused. The Asian girl was always the "submissive" party in the relationship, meaning that she had very little power in the relationship while the white male had all of it. This could take several forms:
- The asian girl is meek, or otherwise fits the "China Doll" stereotype.
- The asian girl is hypersexualized or played for fetish (for example, Dragon Lady or Asian Hooker Stereotype).
- The asian girl is socially disadvantaged compared to either the white male or her (non-asian) romantic rival: ie, economically destitute, an immigrant, not well-educated or under-aged.
- The asian girl is the Hopeless Suitor, in comparison to a non-Asian (preferrably white) rival.
- The asian girl is completely loyal to her romantic interest, either to self-destructive levels or to an extent beyond what her rival has displayed.
edited 11th Mar '12 1:45:20 AM by KingZeal
Suggested trope description, v3.Some relationships are based on inequality. In this case, we have a relationship between a white man (who has the power, because he's white and male) and an Asian woman (who lacks power, for the same-but-inverted reasons). The inequality can surface in ways such as the woman being very meek and desperately loyal to her man, while he treat her as merely a fetish object or toy rather than a complete human being. The Asian girl may be socially disadvantaged (compared to either the white male or a non-asian romantic rival): economically destitute, a vulnerable kind of immigrant, not well-educated or under-aged. Simply being an immigrant doesn't make one vulnerable. Lacking a social network or language skills in the new country does, however. As does being an illegal alien or the prospect of getting thrown out of the country if the man breaks up with her. The relationship itself may be romantic or purely sexual, and it may be long term or short term. In some stories, the woman makes a long-term commitment while the man consider the whole thing a temporary diversion. In it's classic form, this trope is portrayed as a cool thing, where the White Male Lead is an awesome Mighty Whitey. This form is deeply rooted in orientalism and was often contrasted with Yellow Peril. Or combined with it, in a Dragon Lady. In more modern narratives, the inequality is instead often portrayed as a matter of exploitation - based in racism and misogyny. When a character portray a relationship in such a negative light without it being treated as such by the narrative, it's a Maligned Mixed Marriage that gets special attention in the same way as relationships between white women and black men.
edited 11th Mar '12 6:49:31 AM by Xzenu
edited 11th Mar '12 9:28:29 AM by KingZeal
- White Mans Little Asian Woman
- She Love White Man Long Time
- Oriental(ist) Romance
- Me Love You Long Time (original title)
edited 19th Mar '12 5:40:51 AM by KingZeal
edited 20th Mar '12 2:15:34 PM by KingZeal
Suggested trope description, v4.Some relationships are based on inequality. In this case, we have a relationship between a white man (who has the power, because he's white and male) and an Asian woman (who lacks power, for the same-but-inverted reasons). The inequality can surface in ways such as the woman being very meek and desperately loyal to her man, while he treat her as merely a fetish object or toy rather than a complete human being. The Asian girl may be socially disadvantaged (compared to either the white male or a non-asian romantic rival): economically destitute, uneducated or under-aged. She may be an immigrant who lack a social network or language skills in the new country and who may even risk getting throw out of the country i the man gets tired of her. The man and the woman may disagree on whether the relationship is romantic or purely sexual, and whether it is long term or short term. If so, expect the man to consider it short-term and sexual while she consider it long-term and romantic. In it's classic form, this trope is portrayed as a cool thing, where the White Male Lead is an awesome Mighty Whitey. This form is deeply rooted in orientalism and was often contrasted with Yellow Peril. Or combined with it, in a Dragon Lady. In more modern narratives, the inequality is instead often portrayed as a matter of exploitation - often based in racism and misogyny. When a character portray a relationship in such a negative light without it being treated as such by the narrative, it's a Maligned Mixed Marriage that gets special attention in the same way as relationships between white women and black men.
- The first paragraph sums up the trope, we don't need any other summation.
- Lists in trope descriptions are almost always independent subtypes. This trope is about a power dynamic. A list of things that CAN be part of such a power dynamic is very likely to invite people to Completely Missing the Point, adding examples that can be shoehorned into fitting one item on the list without fitting the spirit of the trope at all.
- There's a lot of problems with lists, and many good arguments for why they should be avoided if possible - especially in the format you suggested.
- The list would be redundant (since all the info is in he text anyway) as well as confusing (see above).
- The first paragraph sums the idea of the trope, not the limitations/definition of it. In fact, I still think it's too wordy. You can sum up that entire thing by saying:
"The basis of this relationship is an asian woman who has a relationship with a white man, and the man is the one with the power."
When I say you're being too wordy, it's not the word count that's the problem. It's that your phrasing isn't economical writing.
- The list is independent subtypes. A) Meek asian girlfriend, B) Hypersexualized asian woman, C) Socially disadvantaged asian woman, D) the hopeless asian castoff, E) the self-destructively loyal asian woman. They are all separate subtypes. The list would define what specific types of power dynamic we're talking about. Although you claim a list would invite "missing the point" (you misused that trope), I argue that not having it would be even worse. A paragraph implies soft guidelines. A list implies rules.
- Type Labels Are Not Examples has nothing to do with this. In fact, that page isn't even saying lists should not be used. It's saying that when a list is used, just listing a type is not better than X Just X.
- It would not be redundant, since what I'm actually saying we should do is separate the paragraph into a list.
edited 20th Mar '12 5:35:45 PM by KingZeal
Alternative Titles: Me Love You Long Time
28th Dec '12 10:43:47 AM