What is this, exactly?: Old School Dogfighting get usage counts
Deadlock Clock: 17th Dec 2012 11:59:00 PM

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176 SeptimusHeap9th Feb 2013 12:12:28 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Is that what the crowner says, basically?
177 nrjxll9th Feb 2013 01:06:54 PM , Relationship Status: Not war
Both Old-School Dogfighting (as applied to planes) and Space Dogfight represent violations of reality, but the reality they're violating is different for each.

Other than that, there's not much to distinguish them.
178 NativeJovian9th Feb 2013 01:13:22 PM from Orlando, Florida
Io vs Jupiter
[up][up]More or less, yeah.
179 MarqFJA9th Feb 2013 02:13:56 PM from Saudi Arabia , Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
@StarSword: Dogfighting Furballs was cut sometime ago because, IINM, it was launched prematurely.
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
[up]Been trying to deal with it, but the thread is gone due to the ending of Special efforts.

edited 10th Feb '13 1:28:23 AM by spacemarine50

181 MarqFJA10th Feb 2013 07:10:37 AM from Saudi Arabia , Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Ah, the Special Efforts forum was split into the Projects subfora. You could check for that thread you're talking about in one of them.
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182 SeptimusHeap10th Feb 2013 07:14:09 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Actually, that thread was closed after the split and moved to the new Projects Morgue.

It was closed because it really belonged here, I think.
184 NativeJovian24th Feb 2013 10:09:25 PM from Orlando, Florida
Io vs Jupiter
Standard Starship Scuffle seems to be the capital ship version of Old-School Dogfighting: when big ships line up and lob broadsides at each other like something out of the 1600s, instead of when single-man fighters get behind each other and fire guns like something out of the 1940s. Other than that, they don't appear to be directly related.

As far as getting this thread closed, I proposed some action, but never got a yay or nay.

edited 24th Feb '13 10:10:33 PM by NativeJovian

185 SeptimusHeap25th Feb 2013 06:23:20 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
You never need permission to do crowner work.
186 NativeJovian25th Feb 2013 02:07:23 PM from Orlando, Florida
Io vs Jupiter
Fair enough; I suppose I was mostly waiting for confirmation from other people that the sandbox pages I whipped up actually fit the crowner. And then I forgot about this thread (again) for a while.

I'll start sorting examples into their appropriate sandbox pages when I have some time, and when that's done I'll transfer it to the main namespace.
187 nrjxll28th Feb 2013 06:04:41 PM , Relationship Status: Not war
188 StarSword7th Apr 2013 02:21:13 PM from somewhere in deep space , Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
Bump. I just completed a full cleanup of Old-School Dogfighting (formatting, namespaces, indentation, the works).
189 NativeJovian7th Apr 2013 10:03:42 PM from Orlando, Florida
Io vs Jupiter
I pulled the examples from Old-School Dogfighting that fit the new description and put them on Sandbox.Old School Dogfighting.

While we're at it, I think it'd be a good idea to change the name from "Old School Dogfighting" to just "Old School Dogfight". Makes it easier to use in a sentence; you can always just use curly brackets to add the "ing" back on if you want.
190 StarSword10th Apr 2013 06:50:24 AM from somewhere in deep space , Relationship Status: In denial
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I made a few minor modifications to the sandbox version, but I don't think Ace Combat should be on the list: it's an air combat series.
191 NativeJovian10th Apr 2013 06:58:34 AM from Orlando, Florida
Io vs Jupiter
...why should an air combat series not be on the example list of an air combat trope?
192 StarSword10th Apr 2013 09:04:22 AM from somewhere in deep space , Relationship Status: In denial
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^...I was under the impression OSD was a space combat trope. As I explained it in an edit reason on IL-2 Sturmovik, it's spaceships acting like WWII fighters, not WWII fighters acting like WWII fighters.

edited 10th Apr '13 9:04:48 AM by StarSword

193 NativeJovian10th Apr 2013 09:13:01 AM from Orlando, Florida
Io vs Jupiter
It is now, but we're changing the definition. That's the whole point of the thread. The sandbox description defines an Old School Dogfight as "a three dimensional version of Chasing Your Tail, where both parties are armed with a Fixed Forward-Facing Weapon" and goes on to say that it doesn't matter if it's planes, space fighters, submarines, Drill Tanks, or anything else — if it fits that description, it counts, regardless.

Old School Dogfight is getting the "dogfighting" part of the trope, and Space Is Air is getting the "spaceships acting like airplanes" part of the trope.

edited 10th Apr '13 9:14:16 AM by NativeJovian

194 StarSword10th Apr 2013 11:09:14 AM from somewhere in deep space , Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
Ok, never mind then.
195 NativeJovian10th Apr 2013 07:38:18 PM from Orlando, Florida
Io vs Jupiter
I pulled out appropriate examples from Old-School Dogfighting and added them to Sandbox.Space Is Air.

I'll give it a few days to give people a chance to comment, then I'm launching Sandbox.Old School Dogfighting at Old School Dogfight, and Sandbox.Space Is Air at Space Is Air. They're lighter on examples than I'd prefer, but this thread has been around for more than a year. Wiki Magic will take care of things once they're up.

Fixing wicks is going to suck, though.
197 NativeJovian11th Apr 2013 12:17:18 PM from Orlando, Florida
Io vs Jupiter
Seems like a legitimate subtrope to me. Probably worth mentioning that the slang term for a large-scale dogfight is a "furball".

edited 11th Apr '13 12:18:20 PM by NativeJovian

198 StarSword11th Apr 2013 02:09:32 PM from somewhere in deep space , Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
As I posted in the YKTTW discussion, it needs to have its description adjusted to take into account the new definition of Old-School Dogfighting, but otherwise I think it's good.
199 StarSword21st Apr 2013 06:53:25 PM from somewhere in deep space , Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
bump
200 NativeJovian21st Apr 2013 09:09:27 PM from Orlando, Florida
Io vs Jupiter
We're pretty much done here. Old School Dogfight and Space Is Air have both been launched, and wicks sorted appropriately.

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